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post #21 of 28

New thread emerging...

I'm not in any place to judge whose suffering is better or worse than anyone elses pain, but I'm all for a TTC#1 thread where those of us who don't have any little ones at all yet can commiserate...
post #22 of 28
LittleLily,
I'm so sorry at what you are going through. Can I recommend that you have a look at the IFV Vets Board at
www.ivfconnections.com
I need to warn you though that you must read the threads and stickied guidelines very carefully before you even think of posting there to get a sense of this board - it is unlike any other. It's a very senstive board for women who have been through unimaginably difficult infertility experiences - horrifying numbers of IVF treatments, still births, non-responders to fertility drugs, dozens of miscarriages, and still no baby - and the members of this small community are understandably hurt and angered easily by the insensitivity of others. These women are strong and bitterly funny, but it is not a board for sprinkling baby dust or posting with a user name like MUMMYofWHOEVER or a pregnancy ticker in your siggy or asking technical questions about treatment, and at my darkest moments, I found soul mates and solice and even laughter there. It felt like the only safe board for me, but I'm afraid there are few happy endings for the women there. I hope you aren't a vet, but I wanted you to know about this in case it feels like a good place to you. (And I'm sorry, but I do think there truly are quite dramatically different severities of the experiences of infertility and its treatment and women who just quite objectively have been through a great deal more than others - flame me if you want - infertility is not fair or democratic - I hope it makes you feel better LittleLily to know that there are others out there who feel like you. MDC is great, and I love it, but its infertility board is by definition of the MDC community going to be composed of a high proportion of women who have already achieved pregnancy and a child or children, and for that reason may not feel like the best infertility board 'home' for all women.)
post #23 of 28
F&L LittleLily does not need to go to that board. the IVFCONNECTIONS VET BOARD is way out of line. LittleLily needs Positive feedback, not a board in which she can commiserate with. IVF is a fight and she needs for people to lift her up and make her want to come back fighting harder then before! Yes, it is normal for her to feel this way, but with the same notion she has to move forward in high gear so she can get that BFP. Part of doing IVF consist of Having HOPE and not letting it go, another important factor is remaining positive. I know I hear the voices saying " Well you have children, easier said then done". I worked for several families that were touched by IVF, but let me tell ya they have been so positive and resourceful in my IVF journey. Between giving me literature, advice and just positive feedback. No one ever said to me, "Oh, get over yourself you have children".

My last employers writes me for updates all the time asking how all is. I am glad that I can have support from people that have been there. My landlord's wife is 40, childless with failed IVF's. I told her I was holding off on my FET. I let her know I was devestated from my last outcome, it was her that gave me the COURAGE to travel this road and said to move forth and give myself the baby that both my husband and I deserve. Too be very honest I get negative feedback from people who don't suffer IF.

I have been told I am out my mind, I have to be nuts, crazy or just sick in the head. In any event I do not need anyone to validate me. I know what I want and I will GET IT and so will you LITTLE LILLY!

I recommend a board that is very catered to positive and uplifting attitude. There are many women there that have had losses with out getting pregnant. These women are couragious, strong willed and determined. It is easier to give up and feel sorry for yourself, but thats not what you want! The board is very close Knit and everyone gets along. Hope to see you there.
http://talk.sheknows.com/forumdisplay.php?f=86
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info! I agree that maybe there SHOULD be a buddy group here for those of us who are TTC #1 (but aren't vets yet)... that way we can bitch and moan and hope and hope and hope to our hearts content without having to worry about being judged for it.

I posted a similar thread to this one in another fertility forum and got SOOOO personally attacked, it was unreal! One woman (and I use the term 'woman' very loosely here) actually called me a 'drama queen' and 'hateful' for having the gall to voice my own opinion (which, I think, I did tactfully and delicately and without malice).

Unbelievable what this journey can do to some people.

I still remain hopeful.
post #25 of 28
Let me remind everyone that this board supports everyone dealing with infertility. Please keep the posts supportive. The fact of the matter is we all have uncharitable thoughts on our journey through infertility, that is normal. Please, remember though, that until you have walked someone else's same journey, you don't know how it will affect you. Allowing others dealing with infertility the space to deal with their grief and support them no matter what is what this board is about. We all get enough judgement from the outside world. Let's not bring it in here too.
post #26 of 28
I have been through 11 years of infertility. I have never been pregnant, but I have two children through adoption. The first we waited 7 years for, and the second took 3 years of actively pursuing both ttc and adoption.

I think that it is so important to be allowed to have those "ugly" feelings. I spent years having people tell me how everything I was feeling was wrong. If I expressed that it was hard to see a pregnant woman or go to a baby shower, I got told that I needed to learn to be happy for other people. I had all this grief and anger inside me and no place for it to go, because every time I attempted to express even a tiny part of it, I got informed of how my feelings were not valid and I "shouldn't" feel that way. Well, feelings are not always rational, especially when we're grieving. I think it's important to be able to express those feelings somehow. I do think it's also important to be careful where, when, and how we express them, because when we are angry, it is so easy for someone else to be on the receiving end of our feelings. I also think it's important to acknowledge to ourselves that our own feelings may be irrational. They're still real, but they don't necessarily reflect the way the world is or the way it should be.

I also think it's important to recognize that whenever we feel unfair about someone else having something we want or claiming an experience as their own, someone else might be feeling the same way about us. OP, just as you find it difficult to hear about the pain of someone who already has a child, which you want, there are those who may find it difficult to hear your venting when you have only been ttc for a relatively short time. In reality, everyone needs to be able to express their pain.

It never bothered me to be around people dealing with secondary infertility. I really believe in using our pain to connect rather than to shut people out. The only time I was really bothered by someone else's complaining was with a woman who already had 7 or 8 children who told a group of us that it was just the same as the pain of any of us who were struggling for child #1 or #2. I was not bothered that she was experiencing pain about not having that 8th child...but I did not feel that she grasped many of the issues that those of us with many fewer children were facing.

For me, the journey to the second child has been far easier than the journey to the first, but that's just for me. I can't generalize that for anyone else, and the journeys can only be assessed in retrospect anyway. For me, the difference between #1 and #2 is that when we were searching for #1, I was not only dealing with the loss of that specific child that I dreamed of and hoped for, but I was also dealing with the loss of the experience and role of being a mother. I believe they are two separate things, and that is one thing that someone going through secondary infertility is not dealing with. Now matter how much I longed for my second child, at least I was a mother, and that carried me through.

However, another reason #2 has been easier for me is because I did so much of the inner work of grieving and healing before #1 came along. And, a person who is dealing with secondary infertility who had no trouble getting pregnant the first time is experirencing all those emotions very acutely and going through the phases of grief for the very first time. It's all new territory, and I think that in itself makes the pain very intense. Also, I can see where someone who had experienced infertility prior to their first and was now dealing with it again prior to their second might have a harder time simply because of the weariness of being on the path again. They would be starting with less naivete that second time around.

It's just all so individual. When you add pregnancy losses to the journey, it brings in another new dimension of pain, which, OP, I would imagine is part of why this is so fresh and raw for you right now.

I heard somewhere that the hardest trial is the one that you are currently going through, and I think there's a lot of truth to that. We really can't compare experiences, but we do need to be able to share even our less-proud feelings.
post #27 of 28
Thank you, Laurel! That was eloquently and beautifully stated.

Kristen
post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well said, Laurel.
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