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post #21 of 210
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Originally Posted by newbymom05
Hi, joining ya'll w/ my 14 mo. old. I have a couple of questions for anyone who can help...Reading NCSS (for Toddlers but same info) I couldn't figure out if she was implying "scheduling' naps, like "OK, it's 2:30, time to nap." Reading these responses it sounds like everyone is following their dc's cues. Is that right? Or is anyone saying, "ok, it's 2:30, let's go lie in bed and hope for the best"?
Right now I just watch my DS and when he gets tired, we dance or sling. Initially we'd hoped to schedule his naps, but I never know when he's going to wake up in the morning. It could be 5, 7, 8, 9 or 10, which of course determines his nap schedule. I *think* he's starting to regulate himself, but that remains to be seen and could change at any time.
post #22 of 210
Thanks, Stanswife. This morning, the most urgent, horrible problem is breaking the nursing-to-sleep association. I swear he must be listening in to DH and my plans because he nursed like a freakin' demon ALL NIGHT LONG and wouldn't let go of the nip for anything. And of course he's up all perky, the crazy baby. I swear, if DH adn I don't figure out how to get more than 2 hrs. of sleep soon...:
post #23 of 210
Thread Starter 
Babies have some natural sleep rhythms. I don't think Pantley means an enforced schedule. Instead, she advises to follow your baby's sleep cues. When they start to appear tired, melatonin is circulating in their body and helping them to relax. That is a great time to help them sleep...Being in a dark room helps, too.

My baby goes down for the night about 30 min after getting in the dark bedroom.

If we miss that window, she gets riled up and will be up for another few hours. That's because cortisol starts circulating through their system if they do not go to sleep when tired.

My nearly 1 year old gets sleep about 10 am and 2:30 pm. A lot of 1 year olds get sleepy about the same times. My baby goes to sleep about 8:30 ad wakes about 6:30 or 7:30 (with current wake ups during that time, which I am working on!).

Eventually, most babies drop that second nap (usually the am nap) and keep the second nap (in the afternoon) for another 1-2 years.

I am not sure how to progress with NCSS. Several things have gotten better...it takes less time to put her down for the night and she sleeps an hour more per stretch than when we started...but DH still is walking her at a lot of the wakeups and now she expects walking. That's great for him if he can sleep while walking LOL but I don't think either of us will want to walk a 30-lb girl at 1 am. So we need to stop that.
post #24 of 210
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stanswife
I posted in another thread that DS is making progress, but thought I'd flesh it out here. He slept for 2 hours 45 minutes straight last night and has been asleep now for an hour 10 minutes. AMAZING. He NEVER naps, unless I intervene to lengthen it. I'm still tired, but hope to catch up from the last two weeks this weekend.

Also, don't know if this will continue, but I had been slinging him to get him to sleep and thought he couldn't/wouldn't go to sleep any other way. Well, my sling kills my back after a couple hours, so I decided to hold and dance with him. Worked like a charm and much quicker. Huh!
GREAT NEWS!

Isn't it amazing how we assume something won't work and then we have to change how we do things and it DOES work. That has happened to me with DD several times!

DD slept for 3 hours the other night. Woo-hoo!
post #25 of 210
this is so great to have this thread!!

our 9 mos old dd has never been a sound sleeper ... actually when she was about 4-5 mos she slept her best and we even had ONE 8 hr stretch!!:
i was in shock!

but it went downhill from there! i totally understand and get that babies wake during the night and adults sleep differently but awaking every hour-2 is draining me. and right now i'm trying to heal two very badly injured nipples from a bite (she hasn't done it again but they are healing very slowly especially with all the night nursing i do )

i'm not even looking for an all night sleeper and i actually usually enjoy out quiet nt nursing (well not at the moment cuz of my nips!) but i know that she can't be hungry every hour so there must be a way to settle her differently, right? anyway, that's why i bought the NCSS but it hasn't worked yet. the only way she settles back down is bf and sometimes she's only on for 2 min!

ahh...i'm so tired. so it'ss nice to have this support! and if anyone else has been bit and knows of a way to heal faster, please let me know. i'm trying everything!!!
post #26 of 210
Thread Starter 
andimama, have you tried lansinoh? how about aquaphor?

as soon as dd stopped nursing, i applied aquaphor so that it would soak in before she was ready to nurse again. it really helped me with a recent torn up nipple.

could your partner help you get some naps so that you have the energy to do ncss? it takes some energy to do it right...i wish it didn't!

right now, we have done some backsliding as dd is quite ill. she has a fever. we've given her tylenol. now she's prob so tired -- from lack of naps -- and so hungry from eating so little that she's just a mess. we're taking her to the doc in the am; we were not able to get her into the doc this afternoon; it looked like her fever was gone and then it came back right around the time the doc closed the office.
post #27 of 210
yup ... i'm using lansinoh. stjohns wort oil, and nursing in different positions is helping as well. the wounds keep getting reopened every time we nurse so it's been a long haul. once they heal i'll be able to really put more energy into ncss. it seems like a lot of parents have had success with it!

thanks!! and hope your babe feels well soon.
post #28 of 210
I'd like to join this too. I have a 19.5 month old dd and we're still having enormous sleep problems. I'm going back to work (part-time) in a few weeks, and I'm freaking out a little because nights have been so miserable lately. So I won't have to retype it, this is a link to my other sleeping thread:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=500090

I'd like to sit down with dh tomorrow on his day off and dust of the NCSS and try it again. If we do get a plan going, I'd really like to be in on this thread and the support. Being a sleep deprived mama (or dad!) is tough.
post #29 of 210
I'm all for the NCSS--been half-a@@ed trying it since birth, lol, but now we're considering adding the Jay Gordon 10 day plan. Anyone else tried this? Last night we did a combo w/ the PPO and in arms...you know. Has the Gordon method worked for anyone in combo/addition to the NCSS?

Also, does anyone else's child FREAK OUT when you do the PPO? It seems very counter-productive--he's almost asleep but then he's wide awake and furious. Maybe I need to reread but it seems to me like Coleton took it a lot better than my bubs.
post #30 of 210
I haven't read Jay Gordon, but I'm thinking about checking it out at the library today! Thanks for the idea.
post #31 of 210
Thread Starter 
I read the tips at the Jay Gordon web site so I have not read the book -- didn't even know there was a book until just the other day LOL -- and it didn't work for us. I don't think my baby understood why she could nurse sometimes and not between 12-4 or maybe I needed to make it a longer stretch? Not sure.

Can everyone list what success they have had? Here are mine:

DD is easier to put back to sleep during nightwakings -- takes 5 min as opposed to 20.

DD fell asleep ON HER OWN today for her first nap. DH put her down drowsy and she looked at him, kicked once and then went to sleep.

DD's bedtime now takes 30 min instead of 1-2 hours. We implemented a routine and do the same thing every night. I find the routine a lot of fun!

Doing this got me to get DH on board. He still makes what I think are wacky sugegstions like let's put her in her car seat and see if that helps. She's a year old so I don't think that would work...to introduce a new crutch.

I am also reading the Good Night Sleep Tight book and got some good ideas from there and asked DH to read it, too.
post #32 of 210
I need to join too. I read NCSS again a couple weeks ago. We did it with my DS at about this age, but he was sooo much easier. Right now DD has me in tears. She's 7 months old. I don't know what else to do. We still swaddle her to sleep at night time and naps. She will not sleep any other way (well, in the sling or if I'm holding her). I am just so exhausted. Tonight I nursed her to sleep around 9 and DH said she was awake 8 times (so probably more like 4 or 5 since he likes to exagerate) by 1:30am when I nursed her back to sleep again. She will wake up every 10-30 minutes until around 2-3am, then she will usually sleep the rest of the night. So I guess it takes about 4 hours to actually get her to sleep for real. It's so exhausting, I feel like I am about to lose my mind. I start work on Thursday. I seriously do not know how I am going to do it. We were co-sleeping, but it seemed like every time I moved a muscle, she would wake up, so we're trying her in the crib now, but it's not working either.
So that's what's not working for me. What is working for me is the PPO. She is OK with that, lets me lay her down, and will sleep for a little while, but I guess it's more like a nap since she's up pretty soon thereafter.

Her naps are pretty good, usually 2-3 a day, sometimes for over an hour each. They're pretty consistent.

Bedtime routine is good I think. Probably a little late, but since we were co-sleeping it just made sense. DS goes to bed around 8, so I start getting her ready about then too. I have tried getting her to bed earlier, but then I was still running to her every 10 minutes or so. I didn't even get a chance to fold a load of laundry or do anything from start to finish.

Is their some crucial part I'm missing? Give it to me straight if you think I'm not doing something right. I am desperate.
post #33 of 210
I'm glad I found this thread, as I just found out about Pantley's book and have it on request at the library.

My girl is almost 10 months and the last few months have been downhill as far as sleep is concerned. I don't really mind a few night wakings/nursings at all, but often she becomes Miss Playful at 3 in the morning and grins and pulls my hair and yells. Very cute, but why do we need it at night???

I'm trying for the earlier bedtime, but then she will only nap once and that doesn't seem enough for a baby.

How do you even know if they get enough sleep? grumble grumble
post #34 of 210
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Originally Posted by MCPM
How do you even know if they get enough sleep? grumble grumble
Great question... I have no idea. Seems like my 5mo dd is rubbing her eyes and yawning the moment she wakes up until she falls asleep at night. (Falls? I should say topples screaming into the chasm...)
post #35 of 210
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Originally Posted by LoveMyLil'B
I need to join too. I read NCSS again a couple weeks ago. We did it with my DS at about this age, but he was sooo much easier. Right now DD has me in tears. She's 7 months old. I don't know what else to do. We still swaddle her to sleep at night time and naps. She will not sleep any other way (well, in the sling or if I'm holding her). I am just so exhausted. Tonight I nursed her to sleep around 9 and DH said she was awake 8 times (so probably more like 4 or 5 since he likes to exagerate) by 1:30am when I nursed her back to sleep again. She will wake up every 10-30 minutes until around 2-3am, then she will usually sleep the rest of the night. So I guess it takes about 4 hours to actually get her to sleep for real. It's so exhausting, I feel like I am about to lose my mind. I start work on Thursday. I seriously do not know how I am going to do it. We were co-sleeping, but it seemed like every time I moved a muscle, she would wake up, so we're trying her in the crib now, but it's not working either.
So that's what's not working for me. What is working for me is the PPO. She is OK with that, lets me lay her down, and will sleep for a little while, but I guess it's more like a nap since she's up pretty soon thereafter.

Her naps are pretty good, usually 2-3 a day, sometimes for over an hour each. They're pretty consistent.

Bedtime routine is good I think. Probably a little late, but since we were co-sleeping it just made sense. DS goes to bed around 8, so I start getting her ready about then too. I have tried getting her to bed earlier, but then I was still running to her every 10 minutes or so. I didn't even get a chance to fold a load of laundry or do anything from start to finish.

Is their some crucial part I'm missing? Give it to me straight if you think I'm not doing something right. I am desperate.
I have no suggestions for you simply b/c my DS is doing the exact same thing. The frequent waking, taking forever to really fall asleep, wearing him to sleep. He did seem to be worse with this right before he started to crawl, then it got a bit better for a while. Now, though, I think he's starting to teethe and it's back, but not quite as bad. Maybe for you this will pass, or at least you'll have little pockets of relief??

Henhao, how is your DD? Better I hope.
post #36 of 210
Thread Starter 
Stanswife--DD is better, thank you. She got through it rather quickly; it ended up being a mild case.

newbymom05--I might have a slight advantage about nursing to sleep in that DD had to learn how to go to sleep without a boob since I wasn't there every time she went to sleep. Babies are smart, though, and they can learn. I learned ways to soothe her without the breast.

Also, I have to tell you that DH and I DREADED bedtime because we'd think we just didn't know if the boob was going to work or not and it would take a REALLY long time. I moved the nursing up in our bedtime routine so that DD does not associate it with nursing. Here's our routine now:

7:15 nursing
7:45 books
7:55 warm bath with dim lights/brush teeth
8:10 or so in dark room to change into pjs and clean diaper
8:30 asleep

We put her into the bed drowsy and awake and we stay there and pat her intermittently or just sit next to her and say soothing words. She'll go out like a light now. These babies learn quick!

DD slept 9 hours last night. I did go in and give her a dream boob after she'd been asleep for 3 hours just to help keep my supply up.
post #37 of 210
OK, subscribing! This is very inspiring. We are on vacation right now, but as soon as I get back home and ds gets used to the time change, I am going to try NCSS in earnest. He has a 100% nursing-to-sleep association and I'd like to try to see if I can't get him to sleep on his own sometimes. I read the book a few months ago but was too tired to actually try to implement it, LOL.
post #38 of 210
Thread Starter 
OMG!!

The other night, DD ASKED to go to sleep by bringing me the first of the three books we read during her routine. At first, I didn't get it. I thought it's way too early. Then, I looked at the time and it was 7 pm. She wanted to go to sleep 30 min earlier!!

So, I did the routine -- nurse, books, warm bath, dark room for diaper and pjs -- and she was out within an hour.

Tonight it took only 20 minutes!! (The routine always takes about an hour...the actual falling asleep once in the bed took 20 min).

I combined NCSS with Good Night, Sleep Tight (GNST) techniques. NCSS didn't work for us 100%. I learned my baby needs to fuss a little to get to sleep. When I was so determined not to let her make one little peep because I was afraid it would be cio, she could not get to sleep. A little fussing is much different from crying.

A new development is also that she can't get to sleep if I am there, so I stay until she's VERY drowsy and then I leave. She "talks" to herself for a bit and then is silent and asleep.

She now sleeps about 12 hours in a row.

Now I can watch a movie with DH or write or work on a class I'm teaching or just do whatever. I love it -- and we're both getting rest we didn't get before. :
post #39 of 210
Wow! I didn't really know what the NCSS was, but this is EXACTLY what we do. We were really blessed with a babe that likes to sleep long stretches at night, so maybe that's why she followed our "lead" so easily. Sometimes, we still struggle at naptimes with following asleep. Is it ok to join the thread if we want to do NCSS for naptime too or does it not work?
post #40 of 210
Total weirdness. We're new NCSSers. Two days ago I did a nap log for my 5mo (3 naps, total 3.5 hours, very good for her!) and a sleep log (8 wakings across 11 hours, nurse to sleep each time). I tolerate this level of non-sleep pretty well, but it was surprising even to me to realize how many times she was waking up at night to nurse.

Well, yesterday we were super busy with shopping, meetings, etc. and she had no typical naps -- she did fall asleep in the car for 10 min, slept on my neighbor's shoulder for 20 min, like that -- and we got to sleep an hour later than usual. Recipe for disaster, right? Guess who slept 5 continuous hours last night?? And then 3 more after that?? Do you think she was just exhausted?

The only other variable I changed was that I gave her Tylenol just before falling asleep -- she was pulling her ears pretty bad and I thought it might be teething pain (or possibly sore throat, as she's coming to the end of a cold). I *definitely* do not plan to dose her with Tylenol every night, but I guess it could have made a difference.

Weirdness. Well, we're ready to start making our sleep plan, so I'll let y'all know what happens. I would love to help her fall asleep on her own more often. She does this on occasion, when she's content and Mommy and Daddy are both there (as she did this morning when she woke at 4am to play; I shusshed her a bunch and rubbed her back and she did eventually fall asleep), but at night she definitely has a nurse-to-sleep association.
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