or Connect
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Toddler › Life with a Toddler › Would you fly without a carseat?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Would you fly without a carseat? - Page 2

Poll Results: Would you fly without a carseat?

 
  • 71% (190)
    Yes
  • 24% (65)
    No
  • 4% (12)
    Depending on length of flight
267 Total Votes  
post #21 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelsi
The reason for that rule is because taking off and landing are the points during the flight in which you are most likely to crash. When there is a crash landing and you have a lap baby the proper protocol is to sit the infant on the floor in front of your feet believe it or not. You do not want your baby on your lap in a crash landing. Reason? Your baby will become a human airbag for you. And that's why using a carseat when possible is always a good idea because if you have a crash landing that is survivable it may not be for the child in your lap. YOu could seriously injure or kill them by them in your lap and you certainly wouldn't be able to hold onto them properly if they are on the floor like luggage.

Isn't it interesting how they make such a HUGE deal about securing luggage but they don't about our babies?
Interesting too that noone on the plane could provide this reason for me, or any reason at all, for that matter.

Still, I'm not following the logic. If *I* am seatbelted, then how is my baby going to become a "human airbag". Would my seatbelt not restrain me? And in that case, with the baby secured in a sling, the sling would restrain the baby. Heckuva lot better than the floor!
post #22 of 112
I voted Yes. And we are flying tomorrow morning to Mexico. Even though all three of my kids are still in 5 pt harnesses in the car and my youngest is rear-facing, we will not be bringing any carseats on the plane and my 17 month old will be on my lap. I did want him to have his own seat but being as how we weren't the ones paying for the trip and it was booked thru a travel agent, we ended up with a lap ticket. But I think it's going to work out just fine. I did buy a baby air vest thingie that is suppossed to go over him and hook onto me or the seat belt? Not sure I need to figure it out today. But it wouldn't make much sense if the flight attendants would make me put him on the floor during a crash?!?! weird though cause I believe it says approved by the FAA. I also am bringing my sling and was going to use it in the airport and to nurse on the plane.

We do not need a carseat in puerta vallerta so atleast now we won't have to lug it around the airport and worry about it for the rest of our vacation.
post #23 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife
I voted Yes. And we are flying tomorrow morning to Mexico. Even though all three of my kids are still in 5 pt harnesses in the car and my youngest is rear-facing, we will not be bringing any carseats on the plane and my 17 month old will be on my lap. I did want him to have his own seat but being as how we weren't the ones paying for the trip and it was booked thru a travel agent, we ended up with a lap ticket. But I think it's going to work out just fine. I did buy a baby air vest thingie that is suppossed to go over him and hook onto me or the seat belt? Not sure I need to figure it out today. But it wouldn't make much sense if the flight attendants would make me put him on the floor during a crash?!?! weird though cause I believe it says approved by the FAA. I also am bringing my sling and was going to use it in the airport and to nurse on the plane.

We do not need a carseat in puerta vallerta so atleast now we won't have to lug it around the airport and worry about it for the rest of our vacation.
The air vest is approved for cruising altitude. They won't let you use it for take off and landing
post #24 of 112
I do want to add that even though I am obviously pro-carseat useage on a plane that it definitely is something that you need to look at the risk:benefit ratio and decide from there. Not to mention the financial aspect of it all. I don't fault parents at all for putting their kids on their laps. Those tickets can be expensive! I know some babies hate their carseats so would end up in the parent's lap the whole time anyways. I just don't want anyone to feel like I am criticising them because I understand there are several instances where it is just not feasible to have them in their own seat.

Here is the link I like the best for explaining why you should use a seat when possible: http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/airplanetravel.aspx
post #25 of 112
I will be flying to Mexico with DS in five days. He'll be in my lap--which was perfectly fine with me until I started reading this thread... I really can't leave him in my wrap?!? I have to put him on the floor if we're crashing?!?

Should not have looked at this thread...
post #26 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by ihathi
I will be flying to Mexico with DS in five days. He'll be in my lap--which was perfectly fine with me until I started reading this thread... I really can't leave him in my wrap?!? I have to put him on the floor if we're crashing?!?

Should not have looked at this thread...
YOu can have your dc in your wrap during cruising, just not take off and landing. And really, half the time the attendants don't notice they are in the wrap anyways so never say anything. Also, remember, if you are crashing and refuse to put your kid on the floor I doubt they are going to break out the stun gun
post #27 of 112
We used the flight vest for DD on her many trips to visit my parents in FLA. The vest is red and I dressed her in red so noone really paid any attention. she wore the vest through take off and landing. DS will wear it too in a red outfit. DD is 3 now and is getting her own seat.
post #28 of 112
I voted yes. When I had only one child, and travel was not so difficult, I always drug her heavy full size car seat on and off every plane. And I would still take car seats for dd3 if we were renting a car at our destination, since we'd need one anyone - though I may just check it... But if we weren't going to be using a car there, I'd just buy each kid a seat (mine are now 10, 5 and 3) and not take the car seat.

I am fanatical about car seat use in cars. But if the plane goes down, I don't think her car seat is going to save her... I would put the airplane seat belt on her of course - wouldn't want her flying through the cabin if we hit turbulance.
post #29 of 112
If I were to travel now with my almost 5yo I'd probably just put him in a regular airplane seatbelt.

The primary reason I would have taken a carseat on an airplane before that is to have the carseat available at my destination. If I was visiting somebody who had a carseat for me, I'd probably put a 3yo in the plane's seatbelt.
post #30 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohumm6
If the FAA felt it was unsafe, the FAA would make it law. I doubt the airlines would protest, as they would be making more money. Knowing the financial state that the airlines are all in these days, I'm sure that they would jump at the chance to MAKE it law if any study ever indicated the slightest hint that lap-babies were in danger in any situation. Given that the government feels like the general population is too stupid to take care of themselves and needs to regulate everything under the sun, if there's no law about carseats in planes, it's probably considered pretty safe.

Not that a car seat is going to do much good if your plane is plummeting 36,000 feet anyway.
I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. The FAA has spoken against lap babies and feel that they are very unsafe. The ONLY reason they don't make it a law is because AIRLINES DON'T WANT THEM TOO. Airlines believe that people would rather find an alternate mode of transportation than be 'forced' to pay for seats for their babies.

You read that right...airlines are more concerned about getting your money than keeping your children safe.

The ONLY reason there is no law is because of this. The FAA and AAP have spoken out strongly against lap babies.

And the carseat isn't for a plane crash, for pity's sake. It's for turbulence. There have been documented instances of children being killed by being flung from their parents' laps during heavy turbulence.

Also, even a small crash on the run way can cause a parent holding a child to crush the child to death. Nice, huh.
post #31 of 112
I flew with dd on my lap many times in the past 19 months. One time I decided to bring her car seat just in case they could give me a seat and if not you just gate check it. I got a seat for the car seat for free b/c the plane wasn't full. It was a huge hassle to get it on and she sat in for about five seconds.

Joannarachel -can you site the evedince of babies dieing in turbulence related incedences? I have always heard this was urban myth so, I am curious.
post #32 of 112
Actually, the reason it's not a law is that studies have said that the majority of parents would drive rather than fly if forced to buy a ticket (esp. on short-haul flights), and driving is much more dangerous than flying on a plane. Much more dangerous...
post #33 of 112
DP and I saw a special on airline safety a few years ago, and I would never, ever fly without my child in a car seat in their own seat. Joannarachel is completely correct, turbulence, and smaller crashes are the reason for it. I don't get the argument of "If you are plummeting from 36,000 feet a car seat isn't going to help" Because if you are plummeting from 36,000 feet the extra few hundred dollars you spent on the airline ticket isn't going to matter much to you either.
post #34 of 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohumm6
If the FAA felt it was unsafe, the FAA would make it law. I doubt the airlines would protest, as they would be making more money. Knowing the financial state that the airlines are all in these days, I'm sure that they would jump at the chance to MAKE it law if any study ever indicated the slightest hint that lap-babies were in danger in any situation. Given that the government feels like the general population is too stupid to take care of themselves and needs to regulate everything under the sun, if there's no law about carseats in planes, it's probably considered pretty safe.

Not that a car seat is going to do much good if your plane is plummeting 36,000 feet anyway.
Here is a brochure put out by the FAA

http://www.airsafe.com/kidsafe/faa_brochure.pdf

Note in bold letters it says directly on the brochure the safest place for your child is in a Child Restraint System, not an adults lap.
post #35 of 112
I'd drive instead of fly if I was obligated to haul carseats through the airport. That is doable with two parents and one baby, barely. If the FAA required babies to ride in carseats, the airlines would have to provide the seats on request.

And then would they require the babies to be strapped into the carseat most of the time? Can you imagine the screaming?

I'd go without a carseat. Safety is all about playing the odds, and the odds of the carseat saving your child's life in the plane are very small, much smaller than in a car. On a sufficiently long flight, you should be safer in a plane without a carseat than strapped in a car for the same distance.
post #36 of 112
Yes, I would and have. We're taking our Britax to Greece next week but I don't know whether I'll actually bring it on the flight.
post #37 of 112
We've flown a lot and never used a carseat. I guess we always just felt there was a small likelihood that we'd really need it. (not to mention that we rode in taxis all over china without a carseat...no seatbelts in the backseat, so no choice in that matter.)
post #38 of 112
Regardless of logic or policy, my instincts would never allow me to put my child on the floor in a violent emergency situation.
post #39 of 112
She will have to have a ticket for her child. Some airline cutoffs are age 1 while others are age 2. I don't know if I would fly with a carseat or not. I better decide since we will be flying soon...
post #40 of 112
Well then shake your irreponsible mother stick at me and give me the bad mommy award, Joanna...I also drive my car every day, and as someone else said, that's much, much, much more dangerous (vs the 3 whole plane trips my ds will take under the age of 2).
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Life with a Toddler
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Toddler › Life with a Toddler › Would you fly without a carseat?