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post #1 of 7
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I've cross posted this, because the more I think about it, its a lactivist issue. I'm not so concerned as to whether or not my DD got to nurse, but what kind of a message I was sending her about NIP, and by extension nursing in general, and nursing past infancy.

I'm all for NIP. I've been a pretty immodest NIPer by many people's standards. In fact, just last Oct, DD and I had our picture proudly printed in a local free daily NIPing for the Bfing Challenge - along with DD's age of 3.5 years.

NIPing became less of an issue after the first 2.5 years or so. DD just didn't need or want to NIP much. In her second year, I was a bit uncomfortable NIPing, but decided that A) taking care of DD's needs and B) setting an example for others were more important than my own comfort levels, so I pushed myself, and I'm glad I did.

DD is now almost 4.5. We've been able to naturally wean, as far as I'm concerned (I know that everyone has their own ideas of what this means). She's pretty much weaned now. She maybe asks me every 2 or 3 weeks, and pretty much just puts my nipple in her mouth, rarely ever actively suckling. I've never said to her that we will only nurse at home, although as she gets older, its just evolved into that.

In fact, at a wedding this summer, DD was watching an infant nursling in the row behind us. At the top of her lungs she tells the mother, "I'm not allowed to have mamie in public any more". This really surprised me. There may have been a handful of times when I said I preferred not to, that I was not comfortable, but I've never explicitly said no NIP.

So this past weekend, we were cuddling together on the deck at the local pool, as we were both a bit chilled. DD asked to nurse. I said no. The pool is about THE last place I would ever want to NIP. I certainly did it when she was younger. I remember doing it "over the top" in the water when she was 6 mos. I got a few looks, but not enough to make me stop, and no one said anything. I did it on the deck when she was older, in a tankini from the bottom up. But pools seem to be the place where people get THE most freaked out by NIP. And she's not 6 mos or 12 mos or 18 mos. She's 4 and a half years.

So I said no. "Why not?" Because I'm not comfortable nursing here. Because it will really freak some people out. Yes, for the first time, I actually suggested to my child that this is may not be normal. I don't think I handled it that well. WWYD? I'm confident that DD did not have an intense need to nurse at that moment, it just seemed like it would top off a nice moment with mama for her.
post #2 of 7
I think that you did the right thing. If it made you uncomfortable, then it wasn't the right time or place. Was she upset when you said no?
My son was almost 4 when he decided to stop nursing, but probably a year or so before that I started steering him away from NIP, and for that very same reason. I was not comfortable with the situation. I would try to distract him, or offer something else to drink, etc, and if that worked great. If he really, genuinely seemed upset, and really needed it RIGHT NOW, I would nurse him. That worled for us.
post #3 of 7
I think you handled it fine. I think its ok to say to your child, "I think you're getting a little to big to nurse in public." That way it preserves the idea that nursing in public is normal for babies, and that nursing is ok for other children, just not necessarily in all possible places and times.

I stopped NIPing dd#1 when she was about 17 months old. Now I refuse to tandem nurse in public. I just tell her I don't want the whole world to see my boobies. (Its actually my flabby tummy I don't want totally exposed, but I don't want to give her my issues.) She seems to understand that, and at the same time she sees my example of niping her little sister as normal. (I'm not a very discreet nurser all told, but I still can't feel comfortable having my entire shirt totally lifted up to nurse 2 at once... that's for the privacy of our living room, as far as I'm concerned... I'm sure it would be different if I had twin babies, but my 3 year old can wait!)

I guess the main difference is, babies nurse because they NEED to. Once kids get to be a certain age, it is more of a sensual little luxury with some incidental nutritional pluses. That kind of thing I feel that you as a mom get to decide based on your feelings on the matter. Your situation wasn't about food, it was about PDA with your child, if I'm interpreting it correctly. Maybe you were just teaching her some of your own values about where its appropriate to show physical affection?
post #4 of 7
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Maybe I'm being too hard core. This is what I'm struggling with, as a lactavist. I DON'T think that there are times and places (or ages) when NIP in inappropriate. I have never worried about being discreet, or about what other people will think.

I hate that I've now, for the first time, given my daughter the clear message that there are times and places where NIP is not appropriate. I told her the reason I didn't want to NIP was "because other people think its strange and will get freaked out". I didn't even just tell her it was because I was uncomfortable.

To me, so much about NIP is about being a role model, to other women, and to my daughter too. I guess it was the first time that I just couldn't make my values jibe with my own personal comfort level. There were so many other ways I could have chosen to put her off. Instead I sent a message that we shouldn't NIP because of what other people think. I hate that.
post #5 of 7
Right there with you!

It's not easy. I think I have told Sam (4.5) that some people would be uncomfortable--and I go back and forth on feeling like that's the right thing to say. On the one hand, I want him to have good information about society and other people, but on the other hand, like you say, it's hard feel like ANY of us need to succomb to that pressure re. NIP and then to model it to our kids.

I don't know.

It's a case by case basis for us, at this point.

I did nurse him at the motorcycle dirt drag after he raced in his first motorcycle race!
post #6 of 7
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Thank you, monkey's mama! I was just hoping to hear from someone who felt the same way.
post #7 of 7
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Originally Posted by Fiercemama
Maybe I'm being too hard core. This is what I'm struggling with, as a lactavist. I DON'T think that there are times and places (or ages) when NIP in inappropriate. I have never worried about being discreet, or about what other people will think.

I hate that I've now, for the first time, given my daughter the clear message that there are times and places where NIP is not appropriate. I told her the reason I didn't want to NIP was "because other people think its strange and will get freaked out". I didn't even just tell her it was because I was uncomfortable.

To me, so much about NIP is about being a role model, to other women, and to my daughter too. I guess it was the first time that I just couldn't make my values jibe with my own personal comfort level. There were so many other ways I could have chosen to put her off. Instead I sent a message that we shouldn't NIP because of what other people think. I hate that.
I think that this is fine. I think that children that age are able to make distinctions without overthinking, and there are plenty of things that we permit in some circumstances but not in others. (Like you can rollerskate in the driveway but not in the house, you can yell and jump around in the yard and but not in a restaurant, you can run around naked at home but not at the grocery store.) Obviously, babies need to be nursed wherever whenever, but once a child is old enough to be learning to control their behavior and understand that there are different behaviors that are most appropriate in different settings in other matters, why should nursing be that much different? Adults regulate when and where and how they eat and when and where and how we share intimacy with each other. If she wanted a bag of potato chips, you would probably tell her that she couldn't eat by the pool and she would have to wait, she might not like that but would accept that you are making the rules and also interpreting the rules of social behavior for her.

Also, why should you feel obligated to do something that you're just not comfortable doing just to make a point? I think that you need to honor yourself and your comfort level first and foremost. To me that is a part of respecting yourself.
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