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post #41 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
I think the point is if every kid that uses kleenex is bringing in 2 large boxes there is more than enough to go around even when considering that a few families will not be able to purchace the supplies. My child not bringing in two boxes isn't going to lead to all children needing to sneeze in their hands
No, because other families will be bringing in the Kleenex. We easily go through 20 boxes a semester. When a kid has allergies or a cold, they can use half a box during a class period. Also, consider that several kids are often sick at once and you have several open boxes at a time.

Really, is Kleenex a big deal? Parents are begrudging bringing in Kleenex? Geez, we do have problems in education...
post #42 of 209
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Originally Posted by LizD

I think the brand-request thing is usually due to a desire for consistency in appearance and quality, rather than brand-awareness. It's very nice to have all the students have the same paper, workbooks, crayons, pencils, etc. It may seem silly but it really does make a difference in the atmosphere in some ways (I say this as a former private school elementary teacher). Teachers are working hard enough as it is to create a haven in their classrooms- not having the right tools for any job is a distraction and a drag, let alone when working with little ones.
So then it's about conformity which IMO is even worse that brand-awareness.
post #43 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
So then it's about conformity which IMO is even worse that brand-awareness.
It's about making sure one kid is not ostracized. That is often a very painful place to be as a child.
post #44 of 209
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Originally Posted by MsElle07
No, because other families will be bringing in the Kleenex. We easily go through 20 boxes a semester. When a kid has allergies or a cold, they can use half a box during a class period. Also, consider that several kids are often sick at once and you have several open boxes at a time.

Really, is Kleenex a big deal? Parents are begrudging bringing in Kleenex? Geez, we do have problems in education...

If a kid has a cold that is bad enough that they are using half a box in a class period they should not be at school that day.

And no, it's not about kleenex. I can't speak for the others that don't bring it in; but in our home $$$ is very tight. Buying all the name brand supplies that the school requests along with all the extras throughout the year would put a big dent in our budget. We don't use kneenex at home b/c of our budget, we don't use brandname at home (in most cases) b/c of our budget...I'm not going to spend more than I need to on school supplies just to buy namebrand or things that my child will not use.

While I can't send in items that cost $$ on a regular basis I do support my school system. I attend PTA meetings, volunteer in the classrooms, participate in fundraising and vote for candidates that are pro-public schools. There are many ways to support the school, it's not just about supplying kleenex.
post #45 of 209
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Originally Posted by MsElle07
It's about making sure one kid is not ostracized. That is often a very painful place to be as a child.


I'm all to aware of how painful that can be. I don't agree though that the answer is conformity. Perhaps some more class time should be spent on tolerance and compassion and less time on teaching to the tests......but that's a completely different topic
post #46 of 209
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Originally Posted by MsElle07
Exactly. The brand thing is aimed at eliminating fighting and so one child in the class doesn't feel less than. Let's say 25 parents bring in Crayola crayons and one brings in RoseArt. When the teacher gets out the crayons, one kid will get the off brand crayons. That one kid will notice. Even if it's someone different each time, there will always be the, "Why do I have to use the yucky crayons?" It eliminates the conflict and ensures that no child feels ostracized by his peers.
See I totally HATE that. My kid's supplies should be in HER desk. My dd went to private school last year. Everything except for the box of kleenex was HERS and kept in her desk with her name written on it. And there weren't any brand requirements. We were only asked that we buy quality and to make sure to AT LEAST have a box of crayons with 24 colors, markers with 24 colors etc. I really liked it that way because it was her stuff and if she needed to bring some of it home to finish an assignment she could. I didn't have to buy doubles of everything to have some at home too for homework.
post #47 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
I'm all to aware of how painful that can be. I don't agree though that the answer is conformity. Perhaps some more class time should be spent on tolerance and compassion and less time on teaching to the tests......but that's a completely different topic
The answer, however, is not to have one child feel left out. Tolerance and compassion are excellent, but it doesn't need to be at the expense of one left-out kid. That one child does not need to be the scapegoat for tolerance and compassion.
post #48 of 209
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Originally Posted by moondiapers
See I totally HATE that. My kid's supplies should be in HER desk. My dd went to private school last year. Everything except for the box of kleenex was HERS and kept in her desk with her name written on it. And there weren't any brand requirements. We were only asked that we buy quality and to make sure to AT LEAST have a box of crayons with 24 colors, markers with 24 colors etc. I really liked it that way because it was her stuff and if she needed to bring some of it home to finish an assignment she could. I didn't have to buy doubles of everything to have some at home too for homework.
That's wonderful. But not all classrooms operate that way. Many kindergarten classes don't have desks.
post #49 of 209
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Originally Posted by moondiapers
See I totally HATE that. My kid's supplies should be in HER desk. My dd went to private school last year. Everything except for the box of kleenex was HERS and kept in her desk with her name written on it. And there weren't any brand requirements. We were only asked that we buy quality and to make sure to AT LEAST have a box of crayons with 24 colors, markers with 24 colors etc. I really liked it that way because it was her stuff and if she needed to bring some of it home to finish an assignment she could. I didn't have to buy doubles of everything to have some at home too for homework.
i think its good when children need to share. its such an important lesson, for life.
post #50 of 209
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Originally Posted by brookely ash
i think its good when children need to share. its such an important lesson, for life.
I can't afford for them to share always. And my kids take VERY good care of their school supplies. It's a bummer when they get a box of crayons that someone has abused, knowing that they would never treat them that way.

My dd is going to public school this year, but so far no list has come. We don't even find out who her teacher is until 3 days before school starts.
post #51 of 209
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Originally Posted by MsElle07
That's wonderful. But not all classrooms operate that way. Many kindergarten classes don't have desks.
She's in 4th grade.

Edited to add: Here things were in a dishtub under her desk because their desks were old style and didn't have any space in them. At the end of the day her dishtub when in a cupboard with everybody elses.
post #52 of 209
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Originally Posted by moondiapers
She's in 4th grade.

Edited to add: Here things were in a dishtub under her desk because their desks were old style and didn't have any space in them. At the end of the day her dishtub when in a cupboard with everybody elses.
That's great. Still, not every class operates this way. I also think it's nice for kids to learn to share, and to learn to help those less fortunate than they are. Poor children are often painfully aware that their school supplies came from the dollar store. Unfortunately, a teacher cannot regulate everything that is said to children during a school day and on the playground. Bringing in communal supplies eliminates the stigma of poverty.
post #53 of 209
commmunal is a good woord, mselleo - thats what i want my children to get out of sharing their supplies, a sense of community amongst his classmates.

to be honest, my ds who is going into 2nd grade could care less what supplies he has, and he will likely "abuse" crayons by some standards (which i guess means breaking them or letting the package tear???)
post #54 of 209
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to be honest, my ds who is going into 2nd grade could care less what supplies he has, and he will likely "abuse" crayons by some standards (which i guess means breaking them or letting the package tear???)
That's my boy too. He's excited that he has a brand new package of Shrek pencils (left-overs from treat bags from his birthday party last year) - but I can guarantee that they will all be sharpened to a nub by day four of the school year!

Again, I'm so glad that we aren't given big lists of things we need to buy. I've spent less than $20 on things for my kids this school year - and those are all things that I found on clearance and stored away ages ago. The only thing I've bought actually recently was my son's new pencil box, which was something like 97 cents.

As a single mom I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on school supplies - heck, I don't even have $20 to spend this year!

I do have to say that the kleenex thing bothers me though - I honestly can't imagine not sending in kleenex even if my kids didn't use them. I'm all for the classrooms having plenty of kleenex laying around so that there isn't snot flowing freely in their classrooms. Honestly, our school does request them - the teachers get a certain allotment for the school year that doesn't last nearly long enough - but that's all it is, a request. A note goes out once during the year and that's it.
post #55 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
I think the point is if every kid that uses kleenex is bringing in 2 large boxes there is more than enough to go around even when considering that a few families will not be able to purchace the supplies. My child not bringing in two boxes isn't going to lead to all children needing to sneeze in their hands
PLEASE SEND KLEENEX!!! It is gone so fast. So manykids are sick and they are using their sleeves. Teachers spend a couple hundred dollars a year on supplies for their class and I have to buy Kleenex for my class.
post #56 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
If a kid has a cold that is bad enough that they are using half a box in a class period they should not be at school that day.
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Kids should not miss school for runny noses. Heck, I'd be out all spring.
post #57 of 209
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Originally Posted by mamato2boys
If a kid has a cold that is bad enough that they are using half a box in a class period they should not be at school that day.
But that's not really up to you, is it? A child with seasonal allergies often has watering eyes and a runny nose -- they're not contagious, but they still need to have Kleenex at their disposal. Unfortunately, not all parents parent the way you do, and as teachers, we don't have a say in who shows up at our door. We can call the parents and say, "Your child is blowing his nose nonstop -- can you come get him?" Parents will say no. Some parents are in danger of losing their jobs if they take off of work. If the child doesn't have a fever, there's nothing the school nurse can do, either.

Just because YOU don't do something or use something doesn't mean it's not necessary for everyone else.
post #58 of 209
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Originally Posted by Flor
PLEASE SEND KLEENEX!!! It is gone so fast. So manykids are sick and they are using their sleeves. Teachers spend a couple hundred dollars a year on supplies for their class and I have to buy Kleenex for my class.
This is true. I spent close to $500 last year of my own money. Teachers, not schools, pick up the slack for parents who can't or won't send in supplies.
post #59 of 209
I'm of two minds about this. But I will say at my high school, many kids will use a tissue once, just a tiny bit, and toss it out. I try to gently direct them to not be wasteful, but it's not like we're in elementary school when I can teach a lesson on tissue usage. By the time they get to me, their parents have either taught them to be thoughtful or wasteful, and unfortunately, in our well-off area, many are not taught much thoughtfulness about not wasting material items, nor about a teacher who makes 1/4 what their parent does and cannot afford to provide tissue for 175 students. If the teacher or the kids/parents don't bring in tissues, there simply aren't any (although I'm all for grabbing TP from the bathroom and hanging on to them in their backpack!) Luckily we've developed a system where teachers can post requests on a list online and many parents will provide willingly, those who have more than enough. I have had a few kids who had really runny noses (but refused to miss class!)bring in a box a later day to make up for it, which I have to say I greatly appreciate. There's no great solution besides giving more money to start to schools. But some of those demands PPs have listed sound outlandish!
post #60 of 209
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Originally Posted by MsElle07
This is true. I spent close to $500 last year of my own money. Teachers, not schools, pick up the slack for parents who can't or won't send in supplies.

WOW! Ok I get it kleenex is a super impt. supply and it is necessary to have 50 boxes for my childs classroom. I know that teachers pay out of packet, I discussed my sister (who is a teacher) in a previous post, and I'm not OK with that either. We don't have an unlimited budget however, that is why we don't buy disposable tissues for our home, that is why we don't use name brand items; I discussed this earlier too.

Apparently my $$$ for kleenex is more impt. than the time I put into the public school??? Would my sons teacher be better off with 2 more boxes of kleenex rather than my volunteer time in the classroom? B/C I've never had one of his teachers tell me that.

How do you all suggest that I handle the ever growing list of supplies as I am apparently wrong for not bringing in kleenex and wrong for not buying name brand? I thought my compromise was a good one, we spend a bit less on supplies, I spend more time physically in the classroom helping.
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