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post #81 of 137
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Originally Posted by ccohenou
I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that the poor child is being abused by someone in his life. He is in danger as well as being a danger himself. You did the right thing.
It could well be...but not necessarily. Sometimes undetected brain injury is at fault...although in this case, the mother is sorely lacking in empathy herself. She HAS to be, to bring another animal into the home.
post #82 of 137
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I don't know why she is like this with the animals. She truly thinks she is doing the best thing for her child. Besides disciplining him, she is a very good mother in all other aspects except very over-indulgent. She really tries to consider the effect of everything she does on him like not introducing men she dates to him, keeping him in the same daycare even when she moved many times on the other side of town so he would have that constant, and other things that are kind of over-protective. She thinks glossing over this is in his best interest and nothing I have said has convinced her she is wrong.

I do feel kind of bad she will have to go through so much just to learn she is wrong and could have gotten her son the help he needed on her own. I think for her to put him in counseling is to admit she failed somehow and that her son is not perfect like she wishes. Also, talking about it will somehow scar him for life since he's currently too young to understand what he's done and will later forget he ever did it when he outgrows it. Let's hope she can't convince CPS to agree with her.:
post #83 of 137
Please keep us updated.
post #84 of 137
Wow. What a scary situation. I hope that the boy and his mother get the help they need. I also hope that she doesn't suspect you and that you move away without incident.

Hugs to you, mama.
post #85 of 137
Have you been able to contact the uncle's wife to warn her about his behavoir?
post #86 of 137
This thread is to long for me to read the entire thing at this moment.. . but it sounds like sociopathic behavior to me. That boy needs help quickly. I'm thinking Reactive Attachment Disorder.
post #87 of 137
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Originally Posted by Delacroix
It could well be...but not necessarily. Sometimes undetected brain injury is at fault...although in this case, the mother is sorely lacking in empathy herself. She HAS to be, to bring another animal into the home.
post #88 of 137
I would tell her that he no longer allowed to play with my son. And as much as it would suck I would give her some information that explains how this behavior is sociopathic and ask her to get help for her son. I would also make it clear that if she didn't do it on her own I was prepared to intervene to make sure he got it by calling athourities.
post #89 of 137
I think this is one friendship worth losing. I'm sorry to hear how mean her child is but he seems to have serious psychological problems. He probably needs to see a psychiatrist before it gets worse. Once he's school aged he will be nothing but trouble for other people around him. I feel for any future children he will be be around at playgrounds, family or school.

If it were me I would probably call CPS and have them visit the family. Let them see how violent he is for themselves and see what type of treatment he may need. He could have been born this way, had a brain injury when he was little or just got exposed to something that has scarred him for life.
post #90 of 137
Huge hugs to you, mama. IMO, you are causing yourself too much stress about situation that is totally out of your control. You did what you KNOW you needed to do, even if it was hard to do and you're second guessing yourself now. You should be proud of yourself for stepping out of your comfort zone, it isn't easy, I know!

Second of all, I will keep you in my T&P regarding this situation. I hope that the mom is able to get her head out of the "perfect mother/perfect child" clouds and realize that her son has major problems and they need to be dealt with. I also hope that you and your family will be safe in the meantime. Please, please make that your #1 priority right now. You are responsible for your children/family's safety/health first and foremost.

Peace, mama. Please keep us posted.
post #91 of 137
I know how much courage it took to make that call. Please let us know how things go . . . .
post #92 of 137
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Originally Posted by MPJJJ
This child is hurting YOUR child! Why on earth are you still allowing that kid near your child? You owe it to your children to protect them, which you are miserably failing by allowing them to be injured by this child! Even if you do not call CPS, you need to step up to the plate and start protecting your own babies, not worrying about someone else's feelings. :
Exactly! I ended a friendship because her child kept hurting my child, little things at first like pushing and hitting, but when he tackled her and bit her on the forehead - that was it. We never saw them again. Who is going to protect my child if I don't????
post #93 of 137
Ruthla, you can put it as gently as anyone could-- that since he threatened to kill your dog, you don't feel comfortable with him around your family. But with some people, the suggestion that they or their kids have done anything even a little bit wrong is too much for them to accept. They will respond with the slightest displeasure as if you called thier kids ax murderers. So frankly, put your desires not to spend time with her son as kindly as you can for your own peace of mind. But prepare your heart for her inevitable bitterness towards you. And let it go in peace, knowing that you did the best thing for your family, and that you are okay with yourself.

Best wishes in this difficult and sad situation. But congrats for trying to keep your family safe.

Faith
post #94 of 137
You Did It! I am so proud of you for making that very hard call. Hopefully this will be the first step to getting the mother and her son the help they need.

I too would be "busy" anytime that she called and keep your plans to move away and keep your dc far far away as possible. I would not allow that boy within 50 feet of my dc. No, He may not be very big now and seem scary, but what he is doing is soooo scary. If he is capable of abusing and torturing animals, Heaven only knows what else he is capable of. I agree with all of the other posters that now is not the time to be worried about hurt feelings.

sending healthy healing vibes to her and her boy>>>>>

And calming Peaceful vibes to you and your family>>>>>>

*Hugs*
post #95 of 137
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Originally Posted by Delacroix
It could well be...but not necessarily. Sometimes undetected brain injury is at fault...although in this case, the mother is sorely lacking in empathy herself. She HAS to be, to bring another animal into the home.
Well, I'm certainly not omniscient, but I'd think any sexualized 4-year-old is a prima facie case at least.
One would almost hope it was the case, honestly, as there's no real treament for sociopathy.
post #96 of 137
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Originally Posted by ccohenou
Well, I'm certainly not omniscient, but I'd think any sexualized 4-year-old is a prima facie case at least.
One would almost hope it was the case, honestly, as there's no real treament for sociopathy.
No there isn't...except keeping the child out of society forever...

And he's just a kid. Sociopath, yes, kid yes...I dunno...are you sure there's no medication or something???? Like he's just a child. A warped and demented child at the moment, but since he's so YOUNG mabe there is hope?
post #97 of 137
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Originally Posted by ccohenou
Well, I'm certainly not omniscient, but I'd think any sexualized 4-year-old is a prima facie case at least.
One would almost hope it was the case, honestly, as there's no real treament for sociopathy.
I was referring to THIS child, who is not sexualized based on these posts.
post #98 of 137

DO NOT LET YOUR SONS BE NEAR THIS CHILD EVER.

NOT EVER.

FOR ANY REASON.


Listen, I'm not a psychologist. I'm an English teacher, actually, but in the study of characters in literature, I've done a decent amount of research into sociopathy as defined in the DSM-IV. See link.I'm also one of those people who likes criminology as a hobby, so please take what I'm going to say with the appropriate grains of salt now that you know my résumé.

From your description, I think the boy is a sociopath with definitely violent and possibly homicidal potential. Typically, violent sociopaths engage in what some researchers have called the "homicidal triad" of related disorders, including arson, bedwetting, and violence toward animals. They progress upward, moving from violence toward animals to violence toward people.

This boy is violent, period. Unless I am very, very mistaken, he will continue to escalate in his behavior and will commit an act of violence on anything weaker than himself, including your children. This is not normal behavior. He needs to have psychiatric intervention NOW, but there's little that can be done about it.


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Originally Posted by MyCalling
I seriously don't know what to do. My friend is a single mother and very lenient with her son. He seems to have no sympathy or feelings about hurting anyone or anything. I have seen him have a smug look every time I've witnessed him do anything also (which is the most disgusting part, IMO). He killed a rabbit and a cat at 3yo and is now 4 1/2 and killed another cat. Last week he threatened to kill my dog because HE tripped over her rump. He has also strangled my dog with various ropes and strings before. I've tried to explain why that's not acceptable, but it obviously doesn't work and there's only so much I can do seeing him seldom.

He has jumped up and down on my child's head and scarred his face another time by scratching him, and sat on another son's back pinning him face down on a tile floor and smashed his head into the tiles. Another time threw a brick and cut my son's forehead down to his skull.

After the last cat died I told her he needed counseling. She made excuses for him as usual saying it's "boy stuff" and he'll outgrow it. All of these animals that have died have been "defective." Her uncle said a 4 1/2 year old isn't capable of knowing the results of his actions.: Previously the boy had thrown the cat against a wall, locked it in small toy cages and pots, squeezed it when angry, tried drowning it before in a cage in the bath tub, and when it finally died my friend found it in the tub with water. She said it drowned itself since it liked sleeping in the tub and must not have known there was water in there and had not jumped out because it was sick since she saw it peed blood the night before. : I had told her she needed to give the cat away after hearing about the previous things before it died. She refused.

After the cat died, she said she would never get another animal so I didn't push it about him needing counseling. She now has another cat.: What should I do?

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post #99 of 137
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Originally Posted by Delacroix
I was referring to THIS child, who is not sexualized based on these posts.

Post #24 referred to "sexual acting out" by the child, that's what I had in mind.

It's very sad to be discussing a 4 year old as if there is no hope for him to be anything other than a horrible criminal, and I honestly hope it is not the case. I hope there is help for him, and that he gets it. I don't know what the prognosis is for severe conduct disorder in such a young child.
post #100 of 137

Get new friends for your children!!

You've had tons of great advice in this thread and I'm so glad that you called CPS. Please call The Humane Society and tell them about the animal abuse, too, if they can't do anything, I'm sure they can refer you to someone who can. Thank goodness that that boy and that cat have you in their life to actually make a good decision to ensure they get help, but you've done your part and now you can choose to be out of their lives for good.

I am disturbed by the fact that your children LIKE this boy. My children always HATED being around rough children, the kind who were mean to them and violent. I think it's a really bad lesson to teach your children that it is okay to act that way to them, even if you intervene, because now your children feel that it is normal childhood behavior. You need to take them away from him and tell them specifically that they are never allowed to play with him again because he is very violent and it is not okay. Then tell them that you are going to go to playgroups, the library, on field trips, etc., to make sure that you find them some nice kind gentle new friends.

Please protect your children's bodies, their minds, their feelings and keep them away from this boy.
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