Clinton: Circ May Be Answer to Aids

[snowbunny]

Circumcision may be the answer to Aids, says Clinton

Mr Clinton said that if the trials had good results, there would be a major job of persuasion ahead. "Should this be shown to be effective, we will have another means to prevent the spread of the disease and to save lives, and we will have a big job to do," he said. "It is important that as we leave here we all be prepared for a green light that could have a staggering impact on the male population but that will be frankly a lot of trouble to get done."

[pumpkinsmama]

So all the circ'ed US men with AIDS are what... inconsequential? Idiots!

EETA: I thought I'd seen the study before...

There is excitement about the potential for circumcision in preventing Aids. Last year researchers from South Africa and France announced that in a trial of 3,274 men from near Johannesburg randomly chosen either to be circumcised or not, those who underwent the procedure had a 60% lower risk of acquiring HIV afterwards than those who did not.

I'm not a doctor and even I can tell you that if you have 1500 grown men get circ'ed and 1500 not, the ones who got circ'ed are much less likely to be having / enjoying sex as often as the uncirc'ed. Hope I said that right, makes sense to me.

[paminmi]

I considered him to be an intellegent man... what the heck happened??

[KrystalC]

.... okay, I USED to like Bill. What the heck happened to him????????

[kldliam]

don't forget about the girls too...

Clinton and Gates have no idea that the promotion of MGM is going to make it that much harder to stomp out FGM in Africa. They were just starting to get a hold of it too. That nation already embraces FGM...how are we going to stop it if MGM is pushed like this?

[mika85]

Um...hello?? Practicing SAFE SEX prevents AIDS, derrr!! What are these geniuses smoking?? I don't get it, the body fluid exchange is what does it, it doesn't matter if a dude is intact or circ'd.

[laneylue]

"There is excitement about the potential for circumcision in preventing Aids. Last year researchers from South Africa and France announced that in a trial of 3,274 men from near Johannesburg randomly chosen either to be circumcised or not, those who underwent the procedure had a 60% lower risk of acquiring HIV afterwards than those who did not."

Here's what I don't get. How can this study even be controlled with so many different variables involved. Wouldn't every single circumcised and intact man need to have sex the same number of times with the same number of HIV+ partners in the very least for the study to be even close to scientific? Or is there no actual study at all and these researchers are simply collecting data and drawing conclusions?

And is it not obvious that circumcision does not prevent Aids since, according to this figure, there is still a 40% chance that a circumcised man will acquire HIV?

I need someone smart to explain this to me.

[kxsiven]

My question is that what happened to this information? Why no one remembers this anymore eventhough it is from 2005.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/12/prweb316865.htm

Male Circumcision May Increase HIV Risk for Women

Coinciding with World AIDS Day, the international physicians’ charity, Doctors Opposing Circumcision, (DOC), warns that recent worldwide news reports suggesting that circumcision is a magic bullet for HIV/AIDS are a dangerous distraction from less-expensive, proven solutions. The group points out that circumcision is likely to embolden males to abandon condoms, engage in risky behavior, and neglect the risk to females.....

....“The United States has the highest AIDS rate and circumcision rate in developed countries....

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Women don't matter suddenly?

Me thinks Mr.Clinton needs mail. Please give him feedback. I bet he is himself circumcised and is in that way typical mainstream American who does not know the consequencies and pain involved in infant circumcision.

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/index.htm

[baybee]

Okay, I've just psychically knee capped Clinton so don't be surprised to see him on crutches in the next few days.

-forgive me as a Canadian but isn't he the same guy who gave us the ruined lives of Monica, Hilary and Chelsey?
-isn't he the same guy who ticked everyone off so bad they voted for Bush?
-isn't he the same guy who thinks with his private parts on a pretty regular basis?
And, he's our spokesperson for how to end AIDS on the planet?? What is going on at that Conference anyway. The headlines in the paper here are that Gates and Clinton are calling on the power of women to get AIDS handled. Well, fellas, that's lovely inspired rhetoric BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN and who is going to do the work? There are so many people with big brains at that conference shmoozing around impressing each other with their "quick fix" brain waves. Well, so far I'm not impressed and I'm not expecting any results to come out of it. There's no magic bullet for the down and dirty problems in life---it takes clean water, safe housing, daily bread and education to turn social problems around. This is the up at dawn, crashing at midnight hard work of making a community work. It isn't done by chief executives who want efficiency and cost cutting in order to feel okay about the fact that they have a piggishly huge share of the planet's resources.
Baybee

[Ruthla]

I'm surprised this was Bill Clinton who said this. When I saw the title, I thought for certain it must be about Hillary! She's the one who's so vocal about healthcare (and wants to make vaccines available for everybody. :Puke)

Is this the same study that everybody's been throwing around, where the circ'ed men had lower rates of HIV because they didn't have sex during recovery?

[A&A]

"A whole lot of trouble" to get it done??


Uh, yeah, Billy Bob, because men value their foreskins, thank you very much!

(Maybe if Prez. Clinton hadn't been circ'd, he could have enjoyed sex more to begin with, and could have just had sex with his wife, instead of needing to sleep around to get that "variety" that some circ'd men seem to crave. Just a theory.)

[gridley13]

Originally Posted by baybee

Okay, I've just psychically knee capped Clinton so don't be surprised to see him on crutches in the next few days.
Baybee

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[KnitLady]

:Puke I ignorantly thought this "study" was just going to go away. Why doesn't a legitimate group go out and do a legitimate study? Further more, why does it even matter? We already have a pretty damn good way to prevent AIDS that doesn't involve cutting off anyones anything! It seems to me like there needs to be more education and more "Condoms are Cool" stuff out there! Obviously circ doesn't prevent AIDS. : I'm sad to see that this "study" is a setback for the intactivists.

[MommytoB]

I think the one reason they keep the Hiv Aids circ reduce risk around because it seems like the 'only one' that makes them seem to have a excuse too keep circ around.

I saw another article of how the usa have a drugs to prevent the child being born to a hiv postive mom or aid mom to get hiv/aids so if it works for the 'baby itself' why not get sexual active high risk sex ppl to get that drug .

Because I'm with you because my uncle is circ & he wishes he had his foreskin back but he 'sleeps around' he also cheated on his wife a real nice lady too.

[Pandora114]

Originally Posted by mika85

Um...hello?? Practicing SAFE SEX prevents AIDS, derrr!! What are these geniuses smoking?? I don't get it, the body fluid exchange is what does it, it doesn't matter if a dude is intact or circ'd.

>.> Well at least Africans aren't sexist..

If they say Circ prevents aids, all children will get mutialted there regardless of gender.

[Bartock]

, that's all I will say or I will be bannished!
This Thread cause a big argument between my 16yo brother and I lastnight, he is circ, hope he changes his mind when he is older and has kids, I even made him read DaddyJoes post on restoration, and he is still being stubbern. I told him I will be talking to his wife(when he gets on)

[baybee]

Okay, I'm going to apply to the Bill Gates Foundation to do a study on amputating fingers to see if that helps stop AIDS in Africa. I'll get 1000 men AND WOMEN who are willing to have their pointer finger removed on the right hand (I'll pay them money of course and because they are so poor they might agree) and then I'll have another 1000 men and women who are intact. We will compare HIV rates after 6 mos and then, we'll know for sure, how to end AIDS.
Baybee

[laneylue]

The more I think about this study, the more upset I get. They are playing around with human lives. These are not test subjects for them to butcher and then let loose to participate in dangerous situations where they could contract a deadly disease. Couldn't they have given them condoms and education instead of a surgery which they had no idea of any potential benefits regarding HIV?

I have seen this study many times on message boards, of course. Always the pros seem so excited to finally have some fatal disease they can blame on foreskin. However, I don't really know the facts about the study.

Were the partcipants willing? Were they lied to in order to get them to participate? Were they offered money? Also, isn't there a window of time between infection and HIV antibody detection in a blood test (which could be up to six months or longer), and if so, how do they know some of these men hadn't already contracted HIV shortly before circumcision?

And then I still have all of my questions posted above, like how could a study like this possibly be scientific unless it is in a very controlled environment?

This little experiment of theirs reminds of the movie "The Constant Gardener."

[hakunangovi]

The trouble with these studies is that the 'results' wil invariably indicate whatever hypothesis the authors want it to.

I lived in Kenya for many years , and the interesting thing is that nearly all the tribes there perform circumcision as a 'comming of age ritual' when the boys are somewhere between about 10 and 15. I can only think of 2 tribes who do not . So one has to wonder where all their trial subjects are comming from. The fact that a huge proportion of the population is suffering from aids has nothing to do with circumcision status and everything to do with promiscuity and infidelity.

Who is financing these 'studies' anyway ???

[Revamp]

How odd...

I never used to mind Clinton thinking about his own penis all the time, in fact I almost found it charming and the outrage he inspired amongst his nation's puritan populace hilarious.

But now he is paying attention to other people's I find him creepy and disturbing.