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post #21 of 49
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Do you see those "space opera" elements as an essential part of your religion? Do you think the description of thetans as "aliens" is accurate?
I still have no idea what space opera is or what it has to do with Scientology. And thetans aren't aliens at all. It's another word for spirit.

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In general how do you feel about celebrity scientologists? Do you find your church has a lot of creative people in it?
I think there are a lot of creative people that are both Scientologists and non-scientologists. I don't think they're creative because of their religion though. To me, a celebrity is no different than you or I... except they're on TV or in movies and have more money than me. I don't put them on pedestals, or enjoy when they fail.

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could you clear up the question on Scientology births?
I'm not sure what the question was. Was there something specific or just "What is a Silent Birth?"
post #22 of 49
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And thetans aren't aliens at all. It's another word for spirit.
That's what I thought too. Thetan=soul/spirit. The "real you" is how I understand it.

I think theta is Greek for "life"
post #23 of 49
Well this is interesting, considering that it differs from another definition given in another thread. I am taking this straight from an actual copy of Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary by L. Ron Hubbard copyright 1975, apparently a first edition?

SPACE OPERA: a novel, motion picture, radio or television play, or comic strip usually of a stock type featuring interplanetary travel, beings of outer space often in conflict with the people of earth and other similiar science fiction themes. (Websters Third International Dictionary).

That's the text word for word.
post #24 of 49
Thread Starter 
If that's what space opera is, from what I know... it has nothing to do with my system of beliefs.
post #25 of 49
Thank you for answering!
post #26 of 49
The association seems to be with an incident run on one of the highest OT levels. Having dusted off the tech dictionary and looked it up myself I am not convinced the term 'space opera' refers to an incident run on a high OT level. Hubbard is clearly defining it as a term that describes fiction. Now, if there is an incident that is run on the highest OT level then I'm guessing Hubbard had a totally different, separate word for that.

So, I think I totally misunderstood the term space opera and now feel kinda silly for failing to look this up earlier. Glad I checked.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled support thread.
post #27 of 49
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Well, I'm not into the OT levels so that will remain a mystery for a while, I guess.
post #28 of 49
Thank you for starting this thread.

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Originally Posted by JeDeeLenae
I still have no idea what space opera is or what it has to do with Scientology. And thetans aren't aliens at all. It's another word for spirit.
May I ask what OT level you are? Numerous sources around the internet allege that Scientologists are not told the true nature of thetans until they reach OT level III. I think the idea is that Scientologists need to work their way up through the levels before they are ready to learn everything in Scientology. Do you believe that this is or might be accurate?

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I'm not sure what the question was. Was there something specific or just "What is a Silent Birth?"
There are quotes from LRH texts that suggest that newborns are to be swaddled and left for 24 hours. Some are confused about whether that means that the infants are to be left alone (as in not fed or held) or whether it refers more to outside intervention, perhaps medical intervention. Do you have some insight into this that you could share?

I have also read something that alleges that no one is allowed to speak in front of a newborn for its first week of life, to avoid engrams. Do you know if this is accurate?

After the birth of a Scientology baby in a silent birth, do you know what suggested procedure would be for the first few weeks of an infant's life? Are there any rules as to whether or not a baby might be introduced to the outside world or family members?

Have you been taught that humans are evolved from clams?

Do Scientologists believe in a God created universe or is Scientology truly compatible with someone who chooses to practice any other religion?
post #29 of 49
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I'm not sure what the question was. Was there something specific or just "What is a Silent Birth?"
Yes, there was some question about this--what a silent birth is, also there was a question about whether the mother is able to speak with the baby, or whether it is isolated for a period of time following the birth.
post #30 of 49
we have a lot of friends who are scientologists and my boyfriend wants our family to explore it.
post #31 of 49
This is a really personal question, JeDeeLenae, but it's something that comes up over and over whenever any non-Scientologists talk about Scientology on the internet.

Many (but not all) churchs request that their members tithe (donate 10% of their earnings). Other churchs request voluntary donations of indeterminate amounts but will allow you to participate in any portions of their services, classes, communions, Sunday school, without any donations or with minimal donations (like for private baptism services). From what I've read, Scientology only helps those who pay for their classes up front and the classes are not very cheap, $450, $1200, $1500, and more. I know that a full-time auditor (employee) can get free (or reduced fee?) classes, but can anyone else? What about a low-income family? Is there some other way for a low-income, working family to be Scientologists without having to pay for classes?

And here's the really personal question...would you mind telling us how much you have personally spent on classes in the past 5 years? I understand if you do not want to, but I am eternally interested in this facet of the Church of Scientology.
post #32 of 49
I just want to say that really truly, the thetan=alien aspect of Scientology is widely reported, by dozens/hundreds/thousands of people who claim to be ex-Scientologists. But also, it is reported that Scientologists do not learn this fact until they reach OT Level III. It is very hard for us to not ask about this aspect of Scientology. I appreciate hearing exactly what you see Scientology as being but I just wanted that to be explained to me, Chersolly's comment doesn't even seem to be negative at all. (the first one was slightly glib but honest).

Thank you so much in advance for attempting to answer all of my questions. I truly do appreciate it.

edited for silly typos again....
post #33 of 49
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I just want to say that really truly, the thetan=alien aspect of Scientology is widely reported, by dozens/hundreds/thousands of people who claim to be ex-Scientologists.
I personally know a number of Scientology clears who have gone through all OT levels and none of them would agree that the term thetan refers to an alien.

Hubbard does not define a thetan as an alien. Look it up. It's not there.
post #34 of 49
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Originally Posted by heartmama
I personally know a number of Scientology clears who have gone through all OT levels and none of them would agree that the term thetan refers to an alien.

Hubbard does not define a thetan as an alien. Look it up. It's not there.
Do you want to be technical and use the term Body thetan instead?
post #35 of 49
Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary, L. Ron Hubbard, copyright 1975

Page 431 (edited to keep it under the 100 word limit)

Thetan 1. the living unit we call, in Scn, a thetan, that being taken from the Greek letter theta, the mathematical symbol used in Scn to indicate the source of life and life itself 3. The being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body 4. (spirit) 5. the personality and beingness which actually is the individual and is aware...the thetan is immortal...9. The person himself-not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind, or anything else
post #36 of 49
Can you dig up the definition of Body Thetan in your technical dictionary and share it with the rest of the class?
post #37 of 49
Chersolly did you complete the OT levels? I'm sorry you are this unhappy with your experience, I believe you are entitled to feel that way, and I can relate in the sense that religion in general is a big disappointment for many people. It seems unfair to take it out on this mom though. She is not the person who hurt or disappointed you. She seems very happy with her experience. It feels like you are taking something out on her that is not going to make either one of you feel better.
post #38 of 49
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Originally Posted by heartmama
I personally know a number of Scientology clears who have gone through all OT levels and none of them would agree that the term thetan refers to an alien.
All VIII OT levels or all XV levels?

Are OT VIII Scientologists allowed to tell you (I assume you have never been OT III or higher) whether a thetan is really an alien spirit? I thought that they weren't allowed to tell OT III info to anyone who wasn't OT III?
post #39 of 49
Chersolly, Thetan is one word, and BT (body thetan) is another word. You are interchanging them. Why? They are not remotely interchangeable. It's like saying that since "human" and "inhumane" sound similiar, they must mean the same thing too.

I do not see the definition of "body thetan" or "bt" in this dictionary, so I will post the definition as soon as I dig out a few more books. A "bt" is akin to what we think of as a ghost or phantom or haunt. Possibly alien could fit but I won't keep guessing, I'll find the definition. I will also post it in the other thread, since I think that is more appropriate.

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Wasn't rich enough. Do you have $200,000 you can spare?
If you haven't done the OT levels then why are you getting on her case about it?

You don't have to complete the OT levels to "be a scientologist" and you don't have a be a scientologist at all to define their words accurately.

Again I'm really sorry you feel so hurt, and I do respect that, I totally do. I am just saying, she is a scientologist, and she is happy with that, and it's wrong to send little jabs at her like she's wrong to talk about her faith in positive terms. I cannot handle reading fundamentalist Christian parenting stuff so I just don't open those threads. Too much baggage from my own childhood. That might be a good way for you to handle this thread. Just a suggestion.

Peace~
post #40 of 49
Hi JeDeeLenae. I am really interested in the questions about birth and the weeks afterwards.

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There are quotes from LRH texts that suggest that newborns are to be swaddled and left for 24 hours. Some are confused about whether that means that the infants are to be left alone (as in not fed or held) or whether it refers more to outside intervention, perhaps medical intervention. Do you have some insight into this that you could share?

I have also read something that alleges that no one is allowed to speak in front of a newborn for its first week of life, to avoid engrams. Do you know if this is accurate?

After the birth of a Scientology baby in a silent birth, do you know what suggested procedure would be for the first few weeks of an infant's life? Are there any rules as to whether or not a baby might be introduced to the outside world or family members?
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