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post #81 of 98
(Oops....didn't realize there were multiple pages! thought I was coming in on page one. Needless to say, I haven't read all responses. I'm going to leave this, but apoligize if it is repetitive, out of place, obsolete, etc.)

My two cents. The issue is whether or not you can or even want to salvage the friendship, the nannying issue, which at $400 a month is an 'arrangement between friends', not an employment arrangement is second and comes into play only if it is based on your friendship. (Hope that makes sense) In other words, if the two of you are not friends, I would highly advise against nannying for her, the whole arrangement just sounds like a recipe for disaster...if you want the experiance, I'm sure it would be easy to find someone to jump at the opporitunity for a full time nanny for $400 per month!

I'm sorry this happened, and a bit surprised...if religious affiliation was that important to her, you would think she would have made a point of inquiring before offering you the arrangement. That said, while I agree that the discrimination aspect of it is unfortunate, I can kind of see her point. Religion, by definition, is for many people at the core of their being effecting both who they are and how they are. I come kinda from the other side in that I am agnostic but I would definately be uncomfortable leaving my children in the care of someone who I thought could be directly or indirectly 'feeding' my children a religious message (not saying that is the case here). For young children who are so inquisitive and so observant, I think they are very intuned not only to what we do as adults, but also to the 'why's' that motivate us, and our religious beliefs can be a major part of that.

That being said, I do not care what a persons religion is, what I care about is the way a person is and their level of intellectual honesty. Provided that I trust that if my child were to ask (or observe) why...(why are some people mean, why does it rain, why do we celebrate Easter, etc.) that the person would respond in a way that recognizes the complexity of the questions and that different people have different beliefs and different motivations, etc., I would not be concerned what their formal belief system was. If on the other hand, when my child asked why are some people mean, my expectation was that they be taught some people are mean because [fill in the blank], then the belief system of the appointed 'caregiver' becomes very important.
post #82 of 98
I can totally understand how dissapointing it must be to be treated like this from one of your only friends! If I were you I would be very wary of nannying her child at this point...seems like she's going to be suspicious of you no matter what.

At least you've seen her true colors...I think you should prepare yourself and take the time to explain your views to her. Tell her how hurt you are, and tell her that you are willing to continue the friendship and respect her views as long as she respects you and doesn't continue to try to convert you. If she's still disrespectful, then maybe she's not worth being friends with.
post #83 of 98
I think between the religious attack and the condescending way in which she treated you in YOUR house, you are right to done with her.

You seem very sweet...I would love to have you watch my kids. And I would pay you more than 100 dollars a week. And I would not try to convert you to Catholicism.
post #84 of 98
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I feel a lot better. It may not seem like such a big deal but it really is to me. It just infuriates and saddens me all at once. I think I'm going to try to write my feelings down on paper, then word them very carefully and respectfully, try to memorize it a little, and tell her. I don't want much to do with her until she stops acting this way. She obviously feels very superior, and I think that's a deal-breaker, too.
post #85 of 98
I know I'm coming in late, but I have to say I think you handled the situation wonderfully. I'd have wanted to rip her head off for being so terrible to you -- and in the name of Christ for pete's sake! Good grief. And I'm a Christian... (okay, a very liberal one who shudders at the mere name of Dr. Dobson, but I digress).

Thank goodness this ugliness in her came out before you were even more attached -- and your son too. And what's up with the nekkid baby thing? Mine run nekkid all the time!
post #86 of 98
nak

Poor mama! Puh-leeeeeze stay away from this close-minded psycho. You don't deserve to be treated that way. I know you can find better friends than this.
post #87 of 98
As a practicing, evangelical christian, I just wanted to say that I think paying someone (no matter who) 100 a week to watch your kids is a sin.
post #88 of 98
Although I think this woman has/is treating the OPer terribly, I have to play devil's advocate (no pun intended) here, for a minute.

With regard to money, perhaps this is truly a matter of the neighbor not making very much at all & the OPer helping her out. As if she were paying as much as she could, otherwise the neighbor would be forced to use state funding & find a daycare... or she just barely doesn't qualify for assistance, kwim? In any case, we don't know the financial situation. If I were in a position to do childcare, and knew someone who needed the help badly, I would accept that -- to help them out & to give my child/children a playmate...

Back to your regular scheduled thread...
post #89 of 98
It sounds like her parenting reassessment of you has more to do with your beliefs than your age. Clearly she thinks children being raised by a pagan are being horribly disserviced (endangering their eternal souls no doubt,) and maybe that's what she wants you to consider in "what kind of parent you want to be," before having more children. Certainly your age and style were things she was aware of when she thought you were a responsible parent (and that age thing 6 years is so short - maybe she's thinking of what a moron she thinks she was 6 years ago and not clearly seeing you, lol.) And while it's generous of her to be so concerned with the religious life of your current and future children, it's really unkind of her to judge and butt in. I hope you can network successfully to find other moms and kiddos to hang out with. You may even find a better paying child care arrangement =)
post #90 of 98
Coming into this thread late, but I just sat here and read the whole thing. Many, many hugs to you, mama. I am very open in my paganism, so nobody would even think to offer me a position like that if they were so against paganism. I can't believe that she was telling you what a great mama you were, and then when she found out that you were pagan, suddenly you weren't anymore!! *growls*

Ya know, and some people wonder why there are so many anti-Chistians out there. :
post #91 of 98
I'll preface this with, I have only read all of page one of this thread

I'm really sorry that you were treated that way. I've been shunned many, many times for my religious beliefs, by close friends and family members. Many Protestants feel that they need to witness to Catholics as fervently as your friend "witnessed" to you (if you can call it witnessing).

I'm trying to put myself in her shoes, and in yours. One the one hand, it sounds like she was REALLY harsh and not at all kind. On the other, I would understand her not wanting someone who was Pagan, to be a big influence on her child. They do sound like they are devout in their faith, and they feel strongly that their faith is right.

I'm rambling, but I guess I would understand their decision on a parenting level, but not their treatment of you. It was uncalled for, no matter what their reasons were.
post #92 of 98
Thread Starter 
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Clearly she thinks children being raised by a pagan are being horribly disserviced (endangering their eternal souls no doubt,) and maybe that's what she wants you to consider in "what kind of parent you want to be," before having more children.
That makes sense, because she was telling me how she thinks I'm still Christian and am running from it...and trying to get me to read books as if she could bring me back to her religion. I think that might indeed be what she meant...which is even more judgemental and rude!!
post #93 of 98
The title of this thread has only succeeded in reminding me how damaging religious intolerance can be. And at the heart of the matter is ignorance imo. I have encountered many Christians/Muslims who have no idea what Paganism actually is, and rely upon stereotypes and misinformation to form their opinions. However, at the same time I have encountered Pagans that are intolerant towards Christians. So it does work both ways unfortunately.

At the end of the day we can only hope to educate and inform about the different faiths, but only under the condition of it being requested by the interested party. It seems that the woman who withdraw her daughter from the posters care however, was not even open to this idea, as the poster spent time explaining her faith and what it involved. There's nothing more that the poster can do. It's a shame that her own child has been denied a playmate because of religious intolerance, and the same goes for the Christian womans daughter.
post #94 of 98
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Originally Posted by moonfirefaery
That makes sense, because she was telling me how she thinks I'm still Christian and am running from it...and trying to get me to read books as if she could bring me back to her religion. I think that might indeed be what she meant...which is even more judgemental and rude!!
Maybe you should tell her about "The Other People". http://www.caw.org/articles/otherpeople.html

I think this article is a little condescending towards door-to-door religion sales people, but it makes a great point in a funny way. And really, they do bring it on themselves, just a little.

Serendipity
post #95 of 98
Thread Starter 
Wow, I've never thought of it like that. It does make a great point. My husband thought it was interesting too.
post #96 of 98
The Aquarian Tabernacle Church (a pagan organization right in my own backyard) has a whole illustrated pamphlet about the "Other People" that you can get to have on hand. It's rather nicer than the artical I linked to was since it's kind of intended to educate the ignorant Christian masses, lol, and not just tell a funny story. Here's the link to that:

http://www.aquatabch.org/afwe/theotherpeople.php

You have to order them in batches of 50 for $15 ($2 S&H) or 100 for $25 ($4 S&H).

If I ever got more than the occasional Mormon knocking at my door, I'd seriously consider picking some of these up!

Serendipity
post #97 of 98
As a Christian it saddens and angers me that a fellow Christian would treat you that way It doesn't surprise me because it's not the first time nor the last that a Christian has decided to ignore the "judge not lest ye be judged" or "remove the log from your eye before removing the speck from your brother's eye" portions of the New Testament I think you SHOULD teach her child not to be a judgemental lout (as a pp mentioned) if you ever do get the chance though



I'm glad that you're feeling better. You did not deserve one BIT of that treatment! One of my only friends who I trust to watch dd is pagan and I have no issues with that. I don't see why it would even come up As long as you're responsible and a good mother then why would it matter what religion you are? You even specified that you weren't going to be trying to convert her child to paganism... sheesh. Some people :

love and peace.
post #98 of 98
Kind of late to this thread but just wanted to offer a That sucks so bad. Hopefully things will resolve for the best but honestly they sound so intolerant I don't know if I'd want to be friends with someone like that.
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