Honest question: Why no drugs/pain relief? - Page 8

[DeeEast]

Originally Posted by alegna

Wow. Why wouldn't you want to understand? I did not have an orgasmic birth (don't we all wish, huh?) BUT it was not unbearable. It was not intollerable. I never even WANTED meds.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact I birthed at home and was in my own element, but perhaps I was just lucky

-Angela

Yes, in my opinion you were "lucky". Ah-hem. So you are saying that the fact that my birth was agonizing was my fault and because I did not birth at home? It had nothing to do with the fact of nature that birth is painful. No, it was not tolerable. It was scary, beyond agonizing, and horrifying. Yep, I wish I had been able to have pain relief. But, according to you, that's my own fault. If I had had the birth of my twins at home, maybe it would have been orgasmic. Of course my son would have died of his prolapsed cord, but hey, it would have been worth it to have a groovy birth experience?

[alegna]

I'm just posting my experience. I have no idea about the details of yours.

-Angela

[dove]

Originally Posted by DeeEast

Yes, in my opinion you were "lucky". Ah-hem. So you are saying that the fact that my birth was agonizing was my fault and because I did not birth at home? It had nothing to do with the fact of nature that birth is painful. No, it was not tolerable. It was scary, beyond agonizing, and horrifying. Yep, I wish I had been able to have pain relief. But, according to you, that's my own fault. If I had had the birth of my twins at home, maybe it would have been orgasmic. Of course my son would have died of his prolapsed cord, but hey, it would have been worth it to have a groovy birth experience?

you pretty obviously don't want to understand are unintentionally (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here) putting down womyn who believe in their bodies' abilities to birth normally and without pain management. There is such a thing as ecstatic birth. i have experienced it. Sometimes it involves actual orgasm, sometimes it doesn't. In womyn who are not micro-managed in their labor, believe in their bodies abilities to birth without intervention, and are treated with respect and kindness it is not such a rarity. I'm truly sorry that you feel the need to make snide remarks to discuss this here on this forum. No, of course no one wanted you to have a dead twin. There is a reason for medical management at times. Good thing it is there for the true emergencies. Otherwise, though - "groovy" births should be the norm and if we would just lay off of laboring womEn and quit this cascade of interventions toward c/s and pain management-land that is so prevalent today, you might just see more womYn who are empowered and respectful of natural birth.

[spero]

Originally Posted by alegna

I did not have an orgasmic birth (don't we all wish, huh?) BUT it was not unbearable. It was not intollerable. I never even WANTED meds.

I think it has a lot to do with the fact I birthed at home and was in my own element, but perhaps I was just lucky

-Angela

I birthed in a hospital four times and never had nor wanted meds. Yeah, it was painful - but not intolerable. I made a lot of noise and worked through it.

[DeeEast]

Originally Posted by dove

you pretty obviously don't want to understand are unintentionally (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here) putting down womyn who believe in their bodies' abilities to birth normally and without pain management. There is such a thing as ecstatic birth. i have experienced it. Sometimes it involves actual orgasm, sometimes it doesn't. In womyn who are not micro-managed in their labor, believe in their bodies abilities to birth without intervention, and are treated with respect and kindness it is not such a rarity. I'm truly sorry that you feel the need to make snide remarks to discuss this here on this forum. No, of course no one wanted you to have a dead twin. There is a reason for medical management at times. Good thing it is there for the true emergencies. Otherwise, though - "groovy" births should be the norm and if we would just lay off of laboring womEn and quit this cascade of interventions toward c/s and pain management-land that is so prevalent today, you might just see more womYn who are empowered and respectful of natural birth.

You don't know enough about me to guess as my intentions. I've been very clear. I resent anyone making women feel less "empowered" because they choose pain relief.

And no, I am not the one making snide remarks. I am merely responding to the myriad of snide comments made here. Remarkable that in such a "feel-good" forum, that snide remarks against a minority opinion are championed, but anything said in defense is attacked. Talk about small-minded.

[artgoddess]

Originally Posted by DeeEast

You don't know enough about me to guess as my intentions. I've been very clear. I resent anyone making women feel less "empowered" because they choose pain relief.

And no, I am not the one making snide remarks. I am merely responding to the myriad of snide comments made here. Remarkable that in such a "feel-good" forum, that snide remarks against a minority opinion are championed, but anything said in defense is attacked. Talk about small-minded.

: you are the one who called someones comments ludicrous.

[artgoddess]

Originally Posted by DeeEast

Yes, in my opinion you were "lucky". Ah-hem. So you are saying that the fact that my birth was agonizing was my fault and because I did not birth at home? It had nothing to do with the fact of nature that birth is painful. No, it was not tolerable. It was scary, beyond agonizing, and horrifying. Yep, I wish I had been able to have pain relief. But, according to you, that's my own fault. If I had had the birth of my twins at home, maybe it would have been orgasmic. Of course my son would have died of his prolapsed cord, but hey, it would have been worth it to have a groovy birth experience?

I bolded mine.

Dude, all she said was that she felt that HER birth experience was less painful for HER because she birthed at home. Where on earth you get off putting words in her mouth, making stuff up and then criticizing her for the bull you made up she said, I have no idea.

I'm reporting your post.

[dove]

Originally Posted by DeeEast

You don't know enough about me to guess as my intentions. I've been very clear. I resent anyone making women feel less "empowered" because they choose pain relief.

thank you for coming clean and being honest in your intention with this thread. You have stated your agenda quite clearly in this statement and it is definitely not what you titled your thread to be ( 'HONEST QUESTION... ' )

If you honestly wanted to know why some womyn don't use pain relief in labor you wouldn't be reacting in the way you are to the answers you are getting here. (calling an honestly expressed experience ludicrous, etc...)

I don't want to convert you to be a natural birth lover or anything, and gosh, I wouldn't even wish an ecstatic birth on you for fear that it would blow your perceptions of how birth should be. It would be nice if you were willing to listen to all sorts of experiences and keep an open mind, since you are the one doing the asking here on mdc.

bye. take care.

[Pandora114]

*cough* this thread is degenerating again....

As I said: Women who go pain med free are acctually in the minority. More often than not, those who announce they want to have a natural birth get scoffed, ridiculed, made fun of and put down for their choice.

They are made to doubt themselves more often than not.

Those who choose pain relief are treated as "OMG honey I am SOOO with you!"

You stumbled across a board filled with the minority DeeEast...the majority are out there.

Oh yeah. Another reason for intense pain during labour is fear. The fllight or fight response due to fear causes more lactic acid to build up in your muscles. Your uterus is a muscle. Lactic acid is what causes muscle cramps, like charley hourses. Lactic acid in the uterus makes things hurt a helluvalot more.

A relaxed mom = smooth labour. It doesn't matter if they need artificial management to relax (read Epi) Or natural relaxing (Hypnosis)

The more relaxed you are in the throes of things, the less painful it will be...

ETA: No I'm not a danged Granola Embassador. I just dont want to get this thread locked and removed again because it really has some valuable information in it to those who could be lurking IRT the risks of epidurals and whatnot.

This Thread can be a valuable resource, despite certain posts.

I would be sorta sad if it got taken away again....

[magemom]

I have had 5 children, all in hospital, obs, midwives, family practice- someone handy in the hallway. I have had inductions and spontaneous births. Posterior and 11+ pounds. I physically recovered better with my drug free births. I am glad I had the epidural with my first because of my fear. I am glad with my 3rd because I had to wait and the urge to push was dulled. I am so happy with my 4th I didn't or it would have ended as a csection if my doc wasn't guarding my door. Atilla the nurse also helped. Others may not like her, but she was the attendant I needed. My 5th finally convinced DH that homebirth is an option (Argh!!)

My sister had an epidural with her twin birth and it helped with her delivery. However it also put her in the ICU after. After her second day of labor with her singleton she still had another epidural. Not my choice, but I respect hers.

[georgia]

Okay, sorry. The thread is now closed to further posts. I will point anyone who has questions as to why this thread is closed to post #92. I'm sad that a civil conversation cannot be held in this thread.

If anyone is interested in a respectful conversation about why unmedicated birth is preferable, please feel free to start another thread without mentioning or discussing this particular thread. All respectful opinions and comments are welcome. It is fine to have differing opinions, but it's not fine to denigrate those whose choices are different from yours.

Please remember that Mothering Magazine is an staunch advocate for natural birth and believes that birth is amazing and transformative in addition to being inherently safe.

Please PM me if you have any comments or concerns. Thanks