Why do you ask why we choose or want no painkillers and then turn around and bash us for our decisions and choices? Why do you say that we're believing propaganda and we're uninformed when we mention real risks? Why do you say this
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when the mama was only mentioning how great her birth was? She wasn't bashing you or anyone else, and no one here is shaming or blaming women for previous decisions or saying that painkillers make a woman weak. All she did was give her birth experience and how great it was FOR HER and ONLY HER. How is her mentioning her great birth experience without drugs making people feel bad for their choices? You took her experience to try and make her feel bad for having experienced a great birth! You are the one saying that we are telling people that women are weak, yet no one here has actually said it. SO what is YOUR agenda for coming here??? To come and tell us that women aren't weak for wanting pain meds? We already have/had people telling us this--doctors, nurses, family, friends. We want/wanted something different. And that dosn't make US weak for wanting that.
Informed consent means you know the risks and benefits of each choice. Risks of epidurals are well documented in medical literature but many times are not disclosed to women before or during labor (especially during labor). All that are mentioned are the glorious benefits of the epi and that the risks are minimal. The risks aren't always minimal. We all know that our choices come with benefits and risks. Yes, there is pain in childbirth without drugs! Big surprise! If all the non-invasive ways don't work, or if the labor goes on too long and is exhausting, then a drug of some sort can easily be called for. That is a risk of laboring naturally. Painkillers DO have their place, most here would agree with that. If you accept naroctics or an epi, you need to full know in advance what could possibly happen.
Here's some great "propaganda" for you that you can find easily at your local medical society or hospital library.
British Journal of Anaesthesia 64, No 5, May 1990, pages 537-541 "Serious Non-Fatal Complications Associated with Extradural Block in Obstetrical Practice," D.B. Scott and B.M. Hibbard.
American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 186, Supplement 5 (2002) S81-S93 "Epidural Analgesia Side Effects, Co-Interventions, and Care of Women During Childbirth: A Systematic Review" by L. J. Mayberry
Pediatrics 99, No. 3 (March 1997) Pages 415-419 "Epidural Analgesia, Intrapartum Fever, and Neonatal Sepis Evaluation," by E. Lieberman
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) Practice Bulletin, Clinical Management Guidelines for Obstetrician-Gynecologists no. 36 Obstetrics and Gynecology 100 no. 1, July 2002 Pages 177-191 "Obstetric Analgesia and Anesthesia," by L.M. Goetzl
These articles are from mainstream medical journals---the very places where people on this site get their "propaganda."