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post #121 of 169
JaneS (or anyone else!), can you give me a recommendation on a brand of natural vitamin C that doesn't have corn in it? I keep coming up with ones with additives like maltodextrin...
post #122 of 169
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Yes, I would be concerned giving it everyday if there is a corn allergy/intolerance going on. Which btw our holistic dietician says corn intolerance points to yeast issues but you might know that already.
Thanks! Well I don't think she has a corn allergy (although I'm not 100%). My concern was more about the fact that she tends towards food allergies (has a few severe ones that I know of so far) and I was wondering if maybe its not a good idea to bombard her with a possible allergen each day. I thought that allergies were developed that way sometimes (by frequent exposure) but I know very little of what I am talking about.
I do think that my yeast/leaky gut issues probably affected/caused her allergies. I wonder if those issues on top of getting SA daily could push her towards a corn allergy. Maybe when this (3lb) bottle is gone I'll try the Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C with her.
Thanks!
post #123 of 169
bumping for someone
post #124 of 169
I just found this thread, and haven't read the whole thing but wanted to comment on the optimal dosage issue. I noticed that the book in the OP said to dose every hour, but some people reported problems with that.

I just finished reading Digestive Wellness which gives instructions on doing a Vitamin C detox, which is basically the same thing as finding your optimal dosage. She says to dose every 10-15 minutes, and that will spare you the cramping & bloating. She also recommends doing that 'flush' weekly for detoxing the body of toxins and staying healthy.

Again, sorry if I'm repeating anyone... haven't read the whole thread yet.
post #125 of 169
I am really embarrassed to ask this: I've quickly read through the posts in this thread and am still confused about Vitamin C!! What is the difference between ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate? I was talking to my naturopath this week about sodium ascorbate and she wasn't familiar with it- she told me it is used as a preservative in foods. She is a great doctor and I really feels like she knows what she's talking about so I was really confused that she didn't know about this! I have used buffered ascorbic acid in the past when I feel a cold coming on and it gets rid of it quickly.

Also, I'm planning on ordering the book: Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins. It seems like the body would respond better to Vitamin C when given only during times of illness. Does the body build up a tolerance to where you actually need to take more over time? Sorry for being so ignorant about it!!
post #126 of 169
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I just found this thread, and haven't read the whole thing but wanted to comment on the optimal dosage issue. I noticed that the book in the OP said to dose every hour, but some people reported problems with that.

I just finished reading Digestive Wellness which gives instructions on doing a Vitamin C detox, which is basically the same thing as finding your optimal dosage. She says to dose every 10-15 minutes, and that will spare you the cramping & bloating. She also recommends doing that 'flush' weekly for detoxing the body of toxins and staying healthy.

Again, sorry if I'm repeating anyone... haven't read the whole thread yet.
What type of vit C does this author recommend? Sodium ascorbate? I'm curious b/c I've been wanting to do a gentle detox and this seems like the way to go, rather than buy all those pre-packaged things.
post #127 of 169
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She also recommends doing that 'flush' weekly for detoxing the body of toxins and staying healthy.
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What type of vit C does this author recommend? Sodium ascorbate? I'm curious b/c I've been wanting to do a gentle detox and this seems like the way to go, rather than buy all those pre-packaged things.
Interesting, I've never heard of this except from my HCP. I'm doing the weekly flushes (if what changingseasons mentioned is what I think it is), and it brought my vitC need down to a reasonable baseline (4-5g/day). I use Perque's vitamin C (the powdered kind) but for daily use I just use SA from Bronson. Wow! I didn't know where my HCP got this idea, but it's been good for me, and she said it was fine to do while I was still nursing (and she didn't okay much).
post #128 of 169
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Originally Posted by Annikate View Post
What type of vit C does this author recommend? Sodium ascorbate? I'm curious b/c I've been wanting to do a gentle detox and this seems like the way to go, rather than buy all those pre-packaged things.
I wish I could remember... I just returned the book to the library. I'm using a straight pharmaceutical-grade ascorbic acid powder- unbuffered, no additives (DD has serious food intolerances). I got it at Whole Foods.
post #129 of 169
So to do the flush how much Vit C do you take? For how long?
post #130 of 169
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So to do the flush how much Vit C do you take? For how long?
It's the same process as determining your optimal daily dosage- you take a certain amount (sorry, don't remember the quantity they recommend in the book) every 10-15 minutes until you have loose, watery stools. Keep track of how much you have taken, and that is the amount that you would use each week to do the flush. It's basically taking just over your optimal dosage, so that you reach tissue saturation and your body starts 'flushing'.
post #131 of 169
I've read about this too and I'm very interested in it! I was just wondering how you would go about finding a doctor who supports vit c IV infusions and how to find out what their solution is really made of? I give IV's all day long and have never come across a doctor who ordered vit c in the hundreds of pt's I've had I wonder if my area is too "bad in the times".
post #132 of 169
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So to do the flush how much Vit C do you take? For how long?
Joybird, I do this:
http://www.perque.com/pdfs/Pt_Ascorbate_Slush_FIN.pdf

I don't use it to determine daily bowel tolerance vitC amount, just to reduce toxic load.
post #133 of 169
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Originally Posted by mamaof5boys View Post
I am really embarrassed to ask this: I've quickly read through the posts in this thread and am still confused about Vitamin C!! What is the difference between ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate? I was talking to my naturopath this week about sodium ascorbate and she wasn't familiar with it- she told me it is used as a preservative in foods. She is a great doctor and I really feels like she knows what she's talking about so I was really confused that she didn't know about this! I have used buffered ascorbic acid in the past when I feel a cold coming on and it gets rid of it quickly.

Also, I'm planning on ordering the book: Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins. It seems like the body would respond better to Vitamin C when given only during times of illness. Does the body build up a tolerance to where you actually need to take more over time? Sorry for being so ignorant about it!!
Hi Mamas! Could someone please help me understand this?? Thank you!!
post #134 of 169
Bumping this old thread because I am hoping for some wisdom. How do I get Vitamin C into a kid with both corn AND citrus issues?

I was just looking at the Lypo-Spheric™ Vitamin C and it seems to have citrus.

Do I have ANY options whatsoever?

Help please!
TIA
post #135 of 169
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Originally Posted by MotherWren View Post
Bumping this old thread because I am hoping for some wisdom. How do I get Vitamin C into a kid with both corn AND citrus issues?

I was just looking at the Lypo-Spheric™ Vitamin C and it seems to have citrus.

Do I have ANY options whatsoever?

Help please!
TIA
The only Vitamin C that I've found that is NOT corn-derived is TwinLab Allerg-C, which is derived from sago palm. Probably not the best type of C, but it's the only one we can tolerate.
post #136 of 169
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The only Vitamin C that I've found that is NOT corn-derived is TwinLab Allerg-C, which is derived from sago palm. Probably not the best type of C, but it's the only one we can tolerate.
Thank you. I have to think that any is better than none!
post #137 of 169
I think Amla or acerola powder might work, but I'm not sure. Also, Nutribiotic has a hypoallergenic sodium ascorbate that it advertises as containing no corn residue, although I think it's still corn derived.
Amla: http://www.herbal-provider.com/amla.html
acerola: http://www.kalyx.com/store/proddetai.../2170/file.htm
ascorbate from sago palm: http://www.zearth.com/Twinlab_-_Twin...m_campaign=FRO
post #138 of 169
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Originally Posted by Pookietooth View Post
I think Amla or acerola powder might work, but I'm not sure. Also, Nutribiotic has a hypoallergenic sodium ascorbate that it advertises as containing no corn residue, although I think it's still corn derived.
Amla: http://www.herbal-provider.com/amla.html
acerola: http://www.kalyx.com/store/proddetai.../2170/file.htm
ascorbate from sago palm: http://www.zearth.com/Twinlab_-_Twin...m_campaign=FRO
Thank you!
post #139 of 169
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Originally Posted by mamaof5boys View Post
I am really embarrassed to ask this: I've quickly read through the posts in this thread and am still confused about Vitamin C!! What is the difference between ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate? I was talking to my naturopath this week about sodium ascorbate and she wasn't familiar with it- she told me it is used as a preservative in foods. She is a great doctor and I really feels like she knows what she's talking about so I was really confused that she didn't know about this! I have used buffered ascorbic acid in the past when I feel a cold coming on and it gets rid of it quickly.

Also, I'm planning on ordering the book: Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins. It seems like the body would respond better to Vitamin C when given only during times of illness. Does the body build up a tolerance to where you actually need to take more over time? Sorry for being so ignorant about it!!
Sodium ascorbate is ph buffered, so your body can absorb more than ascorbic acid. You can make your own SA from AA plus baking soda 2:1 ratio.

Calcium ascorbate is bad according to Hilary Butler who knows more about vitamin C than anyone else on the planet I think! The free calcium in the body is not a good thing.

How much vitamin C the body needs is much debated. Most animals make their own vit. C, we lost the ability to do so eons ago but still have the inactive gene interestingly enough! Linus Pauling said 10 grams/day if healthy right? That is basically what Klenner said, 10-15 grams/day for an adult if healthy, more in times of stress. Every cell in the body uses vit. C. I do know that if you take large doses and then stop it can create a problem b/c the body does get used to it. But even this is debated as well.

I have long flip flopped between natural vit. C such as acerola and amla and SA. I have to say, whether it's my immune system or accumulated toxicities, higher amounts of SA is clearly better. Bioflavoniods supplemented 1/5th of SA dose.
post #140 of 169
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Klenner dose for a child was a gram/day for every year old, up to 10 years old and 10 grams/day.
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