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post #141 of 169
I don't remember where Hilary Butler got the numbers, but she usually quoted 50mg/kg for a healthy person, which works out to 23mg/lb. I mention it because just recently, I actually got my son's vitC need (32lbs now) down to about this amount (this is about 725mg/day, divided). Given that I've dosed him at much higher doses in the past, I was thrilled. And interested that the amount we got down to, and plateaued at was pretty similar to her formula.
post #142 of 169
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Originally Posted by azdesertrn View Post
Has anyone tested their optimum dose using a "full spectrum vitamin c formula"? I have Garden of Life "Living vitamin C" and have found I can't take 3 tablets at a time- 3 tablets is a serving and is only 500 mg total. I do fine with one at a time. This just seems like a really low dose to be reaching bowel tolerance.

Kaye
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Reply from Yin Yang:
I think you need to read the whole thread to get the answer. I checked out the product you asked about and it does not contain sodium asocrbate. It has "living" vitamin C in form of acerola and other not specified form or vit.C. You can not do the optidose with this product. It's totally different thing.
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Reply from azdesertrn:
Yes, I do realize they are completely different things, that's why I was asking if anyone had tried it. There are a couple of mentions of acerola in the thread including someone wondering what the conversion ratio would be. I realize the more natural forms of C are supposed to be much more potent, but it seems like I should be able to at least take the recommended serving on the bottle without reaching bowel tolerance. (I was not testing for tolerance it was an accidental discovery)

My gut feeling is that it is healthier to be taking the natural forms if possible.

Kaye
I read this a few pages back, and would like more info on this. It makes sence to me to to use natural vitamin C. I have the same questions as Azdesertrn.

Also how about using camu camu powder for vitmin C dosage? I have used that stuff, and it is sweet, and easy to take. I can mix it in yogurt and give it to my toddler easily. How much of that would you take?
post #143 of 169
Thread Starter 
I am so conflicted about the smaller amounts of "natural vitamin C/acerola/amla" vs. larger amounts of "ascorbic acid/sodium ascorbate" argument.

On one hand, the first what healthy traditional diets contained. However, most animals make their own vitamin C in terms of 15 grams/day of ascorbic acid (no animal's body makes amla!) for a healthy human adult. We lost the ability to make our own ascorbic acid many moons ago, but the inactive gene still exists.

Now turning that gene back on would be some discovery!

I will say I feel better and an more cold/flu resistant taking higher amounts of sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid. Whether that's my immune system or metal toxicities I don't know but that is what I'm doing at the moment (with small amounts of bioflavonoids).

The idea of this thread is using larger amounts of SA/AA to *treat* the body in terms of illness, disease and toxicities. I just have never seen the evidence (or even a complete discussion other than theoretical) one could do that with natural vitamin C and that truly gives me pause. I've come to understand there are certain supplements a modern body fighting these foes might really need. Of course remembering that anything unnatural could carry a risk of stressing the body itself? Oy, such a conundrum.
post #144 of 169
Thread Starter 
Moneca tried it with natural amla capsules I think and couldn't do it, something like 16 or 20 she took? I never did... those bottles are so darn expensive I couldn't make myself take 1/3 of it in a sitting!
post #145 of 169
well, FWIW I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure you can or should do it in this way "naturally." However what is going on in my body is not natural and therefore needs to be controlled and compensated for. I hear you though. I dont' think it's the greatest idea to be supplementing with vitamin C at high doses for alot of reasons, but I do it for very specific ones that have measurable results.

I'm going to be trying a new therapy (new to me) soon that uses sequential therapy to try and clear out the toxins and shocks from vaccinations backwards through the timeline. I don't know if it's going to work, but I have so much damage that it's worth a try. We'll see. Then there wouldn't be a huge need to do unnatural things becuase the load would be lifted. I have successfully drained, detoxed and repaired my liver. Now that my numbers are good I feel like I am ready to take the next step.

Sigh. It's always that balance, you know? It's not natural, but neither are the chemicals, metals and other crap that we've put into our bodies. Something has to give.
post #146 of 169
I muscle tested for 1500mg (2 tsp)of camu camu, and had succes in stoping my gums from receeding from that. The natural stuff must do something even in that small amount.
post #147 of 169
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Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1 View Post
I muscle tested for 1500mg (2 tsp)of camu camu, and had succes in stoping my gums from receeding from that. The natural stuff must do something even in that small amount.
It makes me think we need to figure out what we're each dealing with and work from there. For us, it's also heavy metals (and probably assorted other toxins) and SA has been an important part of what we're doing, but it's not everyone's problem. So if it looks like it's improving things for you, then that seems like proof enough, eh?

In fact, threads like this may tend to disproportionately represent people really messed up by things like environmental toxins because conventional medicine doesn't deal with things like that as much as alternative medicine, and then in your path to getting healthy you (well, I mean I) end up someplace like this.
post #148 of 169
I am giving SA to my 6.5 month old. Do I need to worry about the sodium in it with him being so little?? I can't find any other from of C that is as concentrated. ie ascorbic acid. The stuff you can buy for babies is like 70mg/ serving. Id be going through a bottle every few days! But I do wonder about the amount of sodium in the SA and any effect it may have on a baby this age?????
post #149 of 169
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I don't remember where Hilary Butler got the numbers, but she usually quoted 50mg/kg for a healthy person, which works out to 23mg/lb. I mention it because just recently, I actually got my son's vitC need (32lbs now) down to about this amount (this is about 725mg/day, divided). Given that I've dosed him at much higher doses in the past, I was thrilled. And interested that the amount we got down to, and plateaued at was pretty similar to her formula.
Would you use this conversion when giving a toddler amla?
post #150 of 169
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Originally Posted by jemar View Post
Would you use this conversion when giving a toddler amla?
I have zero experience with amla. Anecdotally it seems like bowel tolerance may be less with stuff like amla, but I really don't know. She was specifically talking about SA (or ascorbic acid, I think, but ew, that tastes vile alone).
post #151 of 169
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
I am giving SA to my 6.5 month old. Do I need to worry about the sodium in it with him being so little?? I can't find any other from of C that is as concentrated. ie ascorbic acid. The stuff you can buy for babies is like 70mg/ serving. Id be going through a bottle every few days! But I do wonder about the amount of sodium in the SA and any effect it may have on a baby this age?????
I am bumping this thread because I would like to know also if SA is safe for a baby this age, and if so, what kind of dosage would be recommended for a daily regime?
Thanks!
post #152 of 169
Bumping. Just found it and want to read through it.


Pat
post #153 of 169
I just put this in the Resources sticky
post #154 of 169
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post #155 of 169

Yes for vitamin IVs!!!

Hi,

I just discovered this thread so maybe the conversation can be restarted a year later.

I just want to say that I am very excited to see people discussing vitamin & mineral IVs b/c they are truly amazing in their capacity to heal when other normal measures aren't working. I am a naturopathic physician and licensed midwife in Seattle, WA and I actually specialize in IVs. So, feel free to ask me questions. And, if you are in the Seattle area, feel free to look us up for treatment options.

One condition that was missing from the original post: MONO (cmv or ebv viruses) are both helped very quickly with high dose Vit C. Truly a blessing for those that have been fatigued with mono for many months.

Best,
Teresa
post #156 of 169


Cool stuff- and timely!
post #157 of 169
wrong thread
post #158 of 169
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post

This book is an absolute revelation to me. A must for the non vaxer or anyone who is considering not vaxing. (Thank you MT for suggesting it!
)


It talks about the HUGE amount of research that support using vit. C megadoses, especially via IV or intramuscular injections for knocking out viruses and neutralizing toxins. He gives much regard to Frederick Klenner for his pioneering research and practical application.


The main problem according to Levy, and the way C is regarded by most clinicians today, is that not enough C is assimilated by the body to show any effect. IV and injection, along with oral supplementation as well, is a much better route if facing a serious crisis. (See below). One example in his book is Klenner's own daughter facing chicken pox (I think). She was taking 24 grams a day. Not enough. Just a gram or two by IV and she improved dramatically. So basically if you see no result, you just need more.


Also everyday vit. C dosage to your personal optidose is crucial for the prevention of countless diseases and building the support structure for your immune system to deal with the many environmental toxins we face in the modern world. Vitamin C is rapidly depleted in the body's tissues by any virus and toxic assault on the body. And it's often the clinical appearance of scurvy that clearly shows this.


The fact that many animals synthesize their own vitamin C, increasing it in times of illness or toxic stress, is one of the main reasons that they are not susceptible to degenerative disease as we humans are. Levy hypothesizes that some humans could possibly do this now, or at some point ... as the genome exists in our DNA to produce the specific liver enzyme but seems to remain "untranslated".


The following viral diseases are CURABLE and PREVENTABLE with vitamin C IV and megadosing:


Hepatitis

Measles

Mumps

Viral Encephalitis

Chickenpox

Herpes

Pneumonia

Influenza

Rabies (preventable has been proven only)

AIDS and The Common Cold (preventable and reversible has been proven only)


The following infectious diseases are CURABLE and PREVENTABLE with vitamin C IV and megadosing:


Diptheria

Pertussis (reversible and preventable has been proven only)

Tetanus

Streptoccal and Staphylococcal Infections

Bacillary Dysentary

Pseudomonas Infections

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever

Leprosy, Tuberculosis, Typhoid Fever, Malaria, Amebic Dysentary (reversible and preventable has been proven only, curable is hypothesized with right doses)


The following toxins can be neutralized:


Alcohol,

Barbituates

Carbon Monoxide

Endotoxin (ie. die off from yeast infections or the Herxheimer reaction)

Exotoxins (ie. metabolites from yeast/bad bacteria intestinal flora imbalance)

Pesticides

Herbicides

PCBs

Radiation

Tetanus toxin

Mercury

Lead

Arsenic

Aluminum

Fluoride, etc.


: Quite an amazing list, huh? Like I said, he has extensive research in this book and clearly states the studies that were constructed to debunk vit. C use pathetically small doses, not "Klenner sized" ones and not via IV or injection.

How to Determine Your Personal Optidose:


Take every hour or every two hours until bowel tolerance is reached. Normally around 6 - 12 grams/day for a healthy adult. When you get watery diarrhea, this means that the body has absorbed all it can. So take just under that amount every single day, in divided doses 3-4x day. If you miss it, you will not be giving your body the dosage it needs to stay healthy and leave your immune system vulnerable. Increase in times of stress or illness. If facing any of the challenges listed above, consider IVs.



Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurable


by Tom Levy MD
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...662096-9754430


You can read the Intro and some excerpts at his website. Click on books and then find the Vit. C book and links at bottom of that page: www.tomlevymd.com
I am curren
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneS View Post

This book is an absolute revelation to me. A must for the non vaxer or anyone who is considering not vaxing. (Thank you MT for suggesting it!
)


It talks about the HUGE amount of research that support using vit. C megadoses, especially via IV or intramuscular injections for knocking out viruses and neutralizing toxins. He gives much regard to Frederick Klenner for his pioneering research and practical application.


The main problem according to Levy, and the way C is regarded by most clinicians today, is that not enough C is assimilated by the body to show any effect. IV and injection, along with oral supplementation as well, is a much better route if facing a serious crisis. (See below). One example in his book is Klenner's own daughter facing chicken pox (I think). She was taking 24 grams a day. Not enough. Just a gram or two by IV and she improved dramatically. So basically if you see no result, you just need more.


Also everyday vit. C dosage to your personal optidose is crucial for the prevention of countless diseases and building the support structure for your immune system to deal with the many environmental toxins we face in the modern world. Vitamin C is rapidly depleted in the body's tissues by any virus and toxic assault on the body. And it's often the clinical appearance of scurvy that clearly shows this.


The fact that many animals synthesize their own vitamin C, increasing it in times of illness or toxic stress, is one of the main reasons that they are not susceptible to degenerative disease as we humans are. Levy hypothesizes that some humans could possibly do this now, or at some point ... as the genome exists in our DNA to produce the specific liver enzyme but seems to remain "untranslated".


The following viral diseases are CURABLE and PREVENTABLE with vitamin C IV and megadosing:


Hepatitis

Measles

Mumps

Viral Encephalitis

Chickenpox

Herpes

Pneumonia

Influenza

Rabies (preventable has been proven only)

AIDS and The Common Cold (preventable and reversible has been proven only)


The following infectious diseases are CURABLE and PREVENTABLE with vitamin C IV and megadosing:


Diptheria

Pertussis (reversible and preventable has been proven only)

Tetanus

Streptoccal and Staphylococcal Infections

Bacillary Dysentary

Pseudomonas Infections

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever

Leprosy, Tuberculosis, Typhoid Fever, Malaria, Amebic Dysentary (reversible and preventable has been proven only, curable is hypothesized with right doses)


The following toxins can be neutralized:


Alcohol,

Barbituates

Carbon Monoxide

Endotoxin (ie. die off from yeast infections or the Herxheimer reaction)

Exotoxins (ie. metabolites from yeast/bad bacteria intestinal flora imbalance)

Pesticides

Herbicides

PCBs

Radiation

Tetanus toxin

Mercury

Lead

Arsenic

Aluminum

Fluoride, etc.


: Quite an amazing list, huh? Like I said, he has extensive research in this book and clearly states the studies that were constructed to debunk vit. C use pathetically small doses, not "Klenner sized" ones and not via IV or injection.

How to Determine Your Personal Optidose:


Take every hour or every two hours until bowel tolerance is reached. Normally around 6 - 12 grams/day for a healthy adult. When you get watery diarrhea, this means that the body has absorbed all it can. So take just under that amount every single day, in divided doses 3-4x day. If you miss it, you will not be giving your body the dosage it needs to stay healthy and leave your immune system vulnerable. Increase in times of stress or illness. If facing any of the challenges listed above, consider IVs.



Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurable


by Tom Levy MD
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...662096-9754430


You can read the Intro and some excerpts at his website. Click on books and then find the Vit. C book and links at bottom of that page: www.tomlevymd.com[/t


I need help. I am doing vitamin c for my daughters whooping cough. She is 19mths old. She is bloating :/ what am I doing wrong?
post #159 of 169
So I am new to this forum stuff and am totally making a fool of my self trying to post!! I am usin sodium ascorbate on my 19mth old daughter to help with whooping cough. Tonight I noticed she is bloated. Help!!
post #160 of 169
Thread Starter 

That means she is not absorbing it and it's staying in the gut instead. 

I would either do lower amounts of sodium ascorbate and more often to see if that is better tolerated, or use liposomal.

http://amzn.to/11svRrg
 

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