Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurable - Page 8

[tanyalynn]

I don't remember where Hilary Butler got the numbers, but she usually quoted 50mg/kg for a healthy person, which works out to 23mg/lb. I mention it because just recently, I actually got my son's vitC need (32lbs now) down to about this amount (this is about 725mg/day, divided). Given that I've dosed him at much higher doses in the past, I was thrilled. And interested that the amount we got down to, and plateaued at was pretty similar to her formula.

[Koalamom]

Originally Posted by azdesertrn

Has anyone tested their optimum dose using a "full spectrum vitamin c formula"? I have Garden of Life "Living vitamin C" and have found I can't take 3 tablets at a time- 3 tablets is a serving and is only 500 mg total. I do fine with one at a time. This just seems like a really low dose to be reaching bowel tolerance.

Kaye

Reply from Yin Yang:
I think you need to read the whole thread to get the answer. I checked out the product you asked about and it does not contain sodium asocrbate. It has "living" vitamin C in form of acerola and other not specified form or vit.C. You can not do the optidose with this product. It's totally different thing.

Reply from azdesertrn:
Yes, I do realize they are completely different things, that's why I was asking if anyone had tried it. There are a couple of mentions of acerola in the thread including someone wondering what the conversion ratio would be. I realize the more natural forms of C are supposed to be much more potent, but it seems like I should be able to at least take the recommended serving on the bottle without reaching bowel tolerance. (I was not testing for tolerance it was an accidental discovery)

My gut feeling is that it is healthier to be taking the natural forms if possible.

Kaye

I read this a few pages back, and would like more info on this. It makes sence to me to to use natural vitamin C. I have the same questions as Azdesertrn.

Also how about using camu camu powder for vitmin C dosage? I have used that stuff, and it is sweet, and easy to take. I can mix it in yogurt and give it to my toddler easily. How much of that would you take?

[JaneS]

I am so conflicted about the smaller amounts of "natural vitamin C/acerola/amla" vs. larger amounts of "ascorbic acid/sodium ascorbate" argument.

On one hand, the first what healthy traditional diets contained. However, most animals make their own vitamin C in terms of 15 grams/day of ascorbic acid (no animal's body makes amla!) for a healthy human adult. We lost the ability to make our own ascorbic acid many moons ago, but the inactive gene still exists.

Now turning that gene back on would be some discovery!

I will say I feel better and an more cold/flu resistant taking higher amounts of sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid. Whether that's my immune system or metal toxicities I don't know but that is what I'm doing at the moment (with small amounts of bioflavonoids).

The idea of this thread is using larger amounts of SA/AA to *treat* the body in terms of illness, disease and toxicities. I just have never seen the evidence (or even a complete discussion other than theoretical) one could do that with natural vitamin C and that truly gives me pause. I've come to understand there are certain supplements a modern body fighting these foes might really need. Of course remembering that anything unnatural could carry a risk of stressing the body itself? Oy, such a conundrum.

[JaneS]

Moneca tried it with natural amla capsules I think and couldn't do it, something like 16 or 20 she took? I never did... those bottles are so darn expensive I couldn't make myself take 1/3 of it in a sitting!

[Panserbjorne]

well, FWIW I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure you can or should do it in this way "naturally." However what is going on in my body is not natural and therefore needs to be controlled and compensated for. I hear you though. I dont' think it's the greatest idea to be supplementing with vitamin C at high doses for alot of reasons, but I do it for very specific ones that have measurable results.

I'm going to be trying a new therapy (new to me) soon that uses sequential therapy to try and clear out the toxins and shocks from vaccinations backwards through the timeline. I don't know if it's going to work, but I have so much damage that it's worth a try. We'll see. Then there wouldn't be a huge need to do unnatural things becuase the load would be lifted. I have successfully drained, detoxed and repaired my liver. Now that my numbers are good I feel like I am ready to take the next step.

Sigh. It's always that balance, you know? It's not natural, but neither are the chemicals, metals and other crap that we've put into our bodies. Something has to give.

[Koalamom]

I muscle tested for 1500mg (2 tsp)of camu camu, and had succes in stoping my gums from receeding from that. The natural stuff must do something even in that small amount.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

I muscle tested for 1500mg (2 tsp)of camu camu, and had succes in stoping my gums from receeding from that. The natural stuff must do something even in that small amount.

It makes me think we need to figure out what we're each dealing with and work from there. For us, it's also heavy metals (and probably assorted other toxins) and SA has been an important part of what we're doing, but it's not everyone's problem. So if it looks like it's improving things for you, then that seems like proof enough, eh?

In fact, threads like this may tend to disproportionately represent people really messed up by things like environmental toxins because conventional medicine doesn't deal with things like that as much as alternative medicine, and then in your path to getting healthy you (well, I mean I) end up someplace like this.

[Marnica]

I am giving SA to my 6.5 month old. Do I need to worry about the sodium in it with him being so little?? I can't find any other from of C that is as concentrated. ie ascorbic acid. The stuff you can buy for babies is like 70mg/ serving. Id be going through a bottle every few days! But I do wonder about the amount of sodium in the SA and any effect it may have on a baby this age?????

[jemar]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I don't remember where Hilary Butler got the numbers, but she usually quoted 50mg/kg for a healthy person, which works out to 23mg/lb. I mention it because just recently, I actually got my son's vitC need (32lbs now) down to about this amount (this is about 725mg/day, divided). Given that I've dosed him at much higher doses in the past, I was thrilled. And interested that the amount we got down to, and plateaued at was pretty similar to her formula.

Would you use this conversion when giving a toddler amla?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by jemar

Would you use this conversion when giving a toddler amla?

I have zero experience with amla. Anecdotally it seems like bowel tolerance may be less with stuff like amla, but I really don't know. She was specifically talking about SA (or ascorbic acid, I think, but ew, that tastes vile alone).

[AprilM]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I am giving SA to my 6.5 month old. Do I need to worry about the sodium in it with him being so little?? I can't find any other from of C that is as concentrated. ie ascorbic acid. The stuff you can buy for babies is like 70mg/ serving. Id be going through a bottle every few days! But I do wonder about the amount of sodium in the SA and any effect it may have on a baby this age?????

I am bumping this thread because I would like to know also if SA is safe for a baby this age, and if so, what kind of dosage would be recommended for a daily regime?
Thanks!

[WuWei]

Bumping. Just found it and want to read through it.


Pat

[MoonWillow]

I just put this in the Resources sticky

[Pattyla]

:d

[teresaevans]

Yes for vitamin IVs!!!

Hi,

I just discovered this thread so maybe the conversation can be restarted a year later.

I just want to say that I am very excited to see people discussing vitamin & mineral IVs b/c they are truly amazing in their capacity to heal when other normal measures aren't working. I am a naturopathic physician and licensed midwife in Seattle, WA and I actually specialize in IVs. So, feel free to ask me questions. And, if you are in the Seattle area, feel free to look us up for treatment options.

One condition that was missing from the original post: MONO (cmv or ebv viruses) are both helped very quickly with high dose Vit C. Truly a blessing for those that have been fatigued with mono for many months.

Best,
Teresa

[ramlita]

Cool stuff- and timely!

[mommac2006]

wrong thread