Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases, and Toxins: Curing the Incurable - Page 2

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Jane, Dr Levy is now very much into liposomal vitamin C, which he maintains is almost as effective as IV in emergency situation.

http://livonlabs.com/

Oooooo, thank you!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

As time goes on, you will learn what your body needs under different circumstances, and will have a pretty good idea of how much to take, so getting to bowel tolerance will become more hit than miss.

If you experience *any* intestinal symptoms at all is that considered bowel tolerance? ie. gas, rumbling ... or do you have to go to full on diarrhea?

[momto l&a]

I love Levy's book. Have had it for 2+ years and refer to it often.

[sparkletruck]

Well, Id like to try to get to bowel tolerance but:

Yesterday I was out and about so much I missed many doses. Ended up doing 5g in 1g doses over the day and never rumbled.

Today I got to 3g by 10:30am and now have the most AWFUL stomach ache, I can barely move around, which is a must for taking care of the kids. They want lunch, they want to wrestle - UGH, ouch


So, todays results make me fearful of attemting bowel tolerance in the future. Im inclined to stick with my 4g over the day. The last time something like this happened was the first day I took 4g. As per my tolerance, I am pretty active most days - today I walked and went for a bike ride, and then got the stomache ache.

Your thoughts/suggestions?

[treereach]

EEE, saskiasmom. That makes me nervous to try it.

So, would this be the thing to do for an infant that just got the usual round of 4 mo shots? I posted here near when this thread was started about my nephew and how the mom was trying to get with the no-vax thing. Well, she didn't make it. The doc ran all over her, saying there was no thimerosol in them anymore and all that crud.

So, last night, after they got home from the appt, he wouldn't even wake up (during typically awake hours- 4-9) and the couple minutes he did, he just screamed.

Should we try some C? I'm sure she would be nervous to do that unless we knew exactly what to get. But have you guys done that with someone as little as 4 mos and it was ok? Would it help the situation?

[mimim]

Originally Posted by JaneS

How to Determine Your Personal Optidose:

Take every hour or every two hours until bowel tolerance is reached. Normally around 6 - 12 grams/day for a healthy adult. When you get watery diarrhea, this means that the body has absorbed all it can. So take just under that amount every single day, in divided doses 3-4x day. If you miss it, you will not be giving your body the dosage it needs to stay healthy and leave your immune system vulnerable. Increase in times of stress or illness.

I tried this a couple of months ago and it left me VERY uncomfortable, with repeat episodes of crampy diarrhea and gas for hours. I took about 1 gram per hour and when I reached 6g, I spent almost all of my time in the bathroom for the next 4 or 5 hours. Not the best way to occupy
your time if you are alone with a 4 yo and a 1 yo. :

I will NOT be trying this with my kids, nor will I ever "test my tolerance" again.

[moneca]

Well, I found my bowel tolerance dose last night. It came on 5 minutes after I took an extra 5 grams to get me to 65 so I'm thinking that 60 is the magic number. Today I reached bowel tolerance a couple hours after taking 28gms. I don't know how much this was affected by the fact I took my last dose of SA last night at 10 pm. I'll start all over again tomorrow morning.
Here is a strange thing that happened on both days of high C ( when taking AMLA and SA). After about 10 grams on each day I started to have all the symptoms of hayfever. The higher the doses got the worse the symptoms. They would also be worst from about 10 minutes after I took each dose until 45 minutes had passed and then they would decrease until the next dose. I was sneezing so much last night after reaching 40 grams that I had a hard time catching my breath since it was just sneeze, sneeze, sneeze: . This morning I only had a mild sniffle upon waking that got a little bit worse and totally vanished not to return as soon as I took my first dose of SA. Bizarre! I don't think it was an allergy, but a detox reaction. MT any thoughts?
Don't know if anyone else has found this to be true, but when I am really detoxing my pits get really stinky. Tea tree essential oil alone was a great deoderant (actually killing the bacteria) until I started selenium (which is part of the glut. pathway) 200 mg each day. I started to have odor for a month and then went back to being without odor until starting the ALA (again part of the glut. pathway) portion of my chelation and got stinky again that would decrease until I upped the ALA dose. I had major odor yesterday while trying to get to the optidose. DH never has body odor issues to the point that he only wears deoderant if playing soccer. When he started on selenium he only stunk for 2-3 days and was odor free again. He did stink again yesterday a few hours after taking 5 gms of SA. That is all he took yesterday and today he reached optidose after only 12 grams of SA although he is almost double my weight and eats his share of junk (though much less than he used to). I think he has a much more effective detox pathway than I do.

[moneca]

Originally Posted by mimim

I tried this a couple of months ago and it left me VERY uncomfortable, with repeat episodes of crampy diarrhea and gas for hours. I took about 1 gram per hour and when I reached 6g, I spent almost all of my time in the bathroom for the next 4 or 5 hours. Not the best way to occupy
your time if you are alone with a 4 yo and a 1 yo. :

I will NOT be trying this with my kids, nor will I ever "test my tolerance" again.

I had a bit of cramping, but not bad and the diarrhea only kept me in the bathroom for ten minutes. DH had no cramping and I think was in the bathroom four times for just a few minutes after reaching optidose. I guess it is different for everyone. I'm sorry you had such a rough time. That would make me want to avoid it too.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by mimim

I tried this a couple of months ago and it left me VERY uncomfortable, with repeat episodes of crampy diarrhea and gas for hours. I took about 1 gram per hour and when I reached 6g, I spent almost all of my time in the bathroom for the next 4 or 5 hours. Not the best way to occupy
your time if you are alone with a 4 yo and a 1 yo. :

I will NOT be trying this with my kids, nor will I ever "test my tolerance" again.

Did you use sodium ascorbate or ascorbic acid? AA has the acidic ph that is very hard on the system. I also did a bowel flush last year with AA and while not as difficult as yours, was not something I'd wanna repeat! I've done very large amounts of SA with no trouble... the neutral ph makes it easier for the body to assimilate.

[mimim]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Did you use sodium ascorbate or ascorbic acid? AA has the acidic ph that is very hard on the system. I also did a bowel flush last year with AA and while not as difficult as yours, was not something I'd wanna repeat! I've done very large amounts of SA with no trouble... the neutral ph makes it easier for the body to assimilate.

It was sodium ascorbate.


I'm sure this process is really helpful for some people, but I wanted to remind everyone that diarrhea is not fun. :

[crunchy_mama]

Hey is this ok for pregnant moms? I am assuming yes. Ds and I have caught a cold, so I wanted to up our dosage. I have been taking 1 tsp, yesterday I took 1.5 tsp and 2 tsp today.

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Jane, Dr Levy is now very much into liposomal vitamin C, which he maintains is almost as effective as IV in emergency situation.

http://livonlabs.com/

2 questions. How long does this vit C stay in the body. Would you still need to be taking it through the day every hr? And can anyone find out the ingredients in this? Sugar, colors anything?

Thanks
Amy

[MyLittleWonders]

Does anyone know the "conversion" rates for SA to acerola powder? I can typically take 6 grams a day of SA without any side-affects and was wondering how much acerola that would be (I thought it was something like 10:1 because of the potency of the acerola but can't remember)?

Also, like crunchy mama's question, is this okay (bowel tolerance/optimal dosage) while nursing? Like I said above, 6 grams SA is good for me without even getting to bowel tolerance, but if I wanted to test my optimal level, would ds#3 react much?

[moneca]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

Hey is this ok for pregnant moms? I am assuming yes. Ds and I have caught a cold, so I wanted to up our dosage. I have been taking 1 tsp, yesterday I took 1.5 tsp and 2 tsp today.

I'm hoping MT will respond to this. The only thing I can remember regarding Vit C and pregnancy is from Susan Weed's book Wise Woman's Child Bearing Year. She suggests using Vit C in the amount of 5000 - 6000 mg to induce spontaneous abortion. I read this three years ago and no longer have the book so please check this out.

[crunchy_mama]

thank you moneca, for this incredibly crappy news. I am hoping that anyone else has info. I think I have strep throat and am feeling completely and totally horrible.

[ramlita]

In A Woman's Book of Choices: Abortion, Menstrual Extraction, RU-486
by Rebecca Chalker and Carol Downer,
vitamin C is described as working best as an abortifacient when taken right at the time that very first missed period is due. There was a study in the seventies in Russia in which 20 pregnant women took about six grams of ascorbic acid for three days, and all but four had started to menstruate by the end of the three days.
The study has not been duplicated since (to these authors' knowledge, or mine) but if it works, the earlier on, the more effective. Even a few days after that missed period can make the difference.

In Susun Weed's Herbal for the Childbearing Year, she writes:
"Ascorbic acid is the safest and reportedly most effective emmenagogue that can be used after the menstrual flow has failed to appear. Women report success even when three weeks 'late.' Six grams of vitamin C is the daily dosage needed to abort. Take 500 mg ever hour for 12 hours a day for up to six days."

I'll leave it to an expert to really answer the question, but that's what I've got.

[crunchy_mama]

wow, that makes me very, very ill. I feel like an idiot now, how would I explain this to dh if something happened. yesterday I took about 8 g before I read this and 6 the day before and 4 the day before that. I am only a couple of weeks along.

[sunshinestarr]

crunchy mama - I'm so glad you read this!!

[momto l&a]

Dr Klinner had all of his preggo patients vitamin C and there where no mc's.

He had a lot more patients than that where in that Russian "study."

[Kundalini-Mama]

to you crunchy mama

I also wanted to post something. I'm going to be starting IV Vit C for my cancer in a couple of weeks and in my research, I've decided to take this product to help. I'm sure it would help non IV Vit C people as well.