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post #41 of 169
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Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
thank you moneca, for this incredibly crappy news. I am hoping that anyone else has info. I think I have strep throat and am feeling completely and totally horrible.
Crunchy mama - Sorry to deliver such a warning that I could not quote from the original source. to you.
post #42 of 169
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Originally Posted by ramlita
In A Woman's Book of Choices: Abortion, Menstrual Extraction, RU-486
by Rebecca Chalker and Carol Downer,
vitamin C is described as working best as an abortifacient when taken right at the time that very first missed period is due. There was a study in the seventies in Russia in which 20 pregnant women took about six grams of ascorbic acid for three days, and all but four had started to menstruate by the end of the three days.
The study has not been duplicated since (to these authors' knowledge, or mine) but if it works, the earlier on, the more effective. Even a few days after that missed period can make the difference.

In Susun Weed's Herbal for the Childbearing Year, she writes:
"Ascorbic acid is the safest and reportedly most effective emmenagogue that can be used after the menstrual flow has failed to appear. Women report success even when three weeks 'late.' Six grams of vitamin C is the daily dosage needed to abort. Take 500 mg ever hour for 12 hours a day for up to six days."

I'll leave it to an expert to really answer the question, but that's what I've got.
Ramlita - Thanks for providing more info. I wish I would have kept Susan Weed's book.
post #43 of 169
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Originally Posted by AmyD
to you crunchy mama

I also wanted to post something. I'm going to be starting IV Vit C for my cancer in a couple of weeks and in my research, I've decided to take this product to help. I'm sure it would help non IV Vit C people as well.
You don't have any amalgam fillings do you? Or did at one point?
post #44 of 169
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders
Does anyone know the "conversion" rates for SA to acerola powder? I can typically take 6 grams a day of SA without any side-affects and was wondering how much acerola that would be (I thought it was something like 10:1 because of the potency of the acerola but can't remember)?
As I think most everything else WAPF suggests is spot on... I would rather take acerola or amla powder daily as well and rely on sodium ascorbate for health crises. This is my next project to research more in depth. There is not much on their site.

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Acerola Tablets: A berry rich in ascorbic acid, acerola provides vitamin C with numerous cofactors, including bioflavonoids and rutin, to optimize the body's uptake and use of ascorbic acid. Vitamin C, the most important dietary antioxidant, was popularized by Linus Pauling who recommends taking pure ascorbic acid in amounts up to 15 grams a day for a variety of ailments. But large quantities of vitamin C may be harmful to the kidneys and can lead to deficiencies in bioflavonoids. Only small quantities of natural vitamin C in the form of acerola tablets can provide the same protection as large amounts of pure ascorbic acid, without the side effects.
Guide to Superfoods
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...uperfoods.html
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NATURAL VERSUS SYNTHETIC VITAMIN C
It is common these days to use the terms vitamin C interchangeably with ascorbic acid. In fact, there are numerous differences between these two very distinct biological entities. Vitamin C, found in numerous plant and animal foods, is a necessary nutrient for humans in that we make none of our own vitamin C. Natural vitamin C is a complex mixture of at least 9 or 10 distinct molecular entities. These include ascorbic acid (the preservative part of the complex), tyrosinase (an enzyme), rutin, bioflavenoids, copper, manganese, and other enzymes and minerals. Each of these compounds has a synergistic effect with the other substances, the end result being a potent and complicated compound that has far-reaching biological effects. Some of these effects include reducing capillary fragility (thus reducing the tendency to bruising or bleeding), improving the integrity of the collagen fibers, binding and thereby neutralizing histamine (lessening allergies), and many other vital functions. Ascorbic acid has only one effect, that is anti-oxidation. While many nutritionists and physicians sing the praises of anti-oxidants in our diet, the fact is that excessive anti-oxidation inhibits our cellular mechanisms from digesting and disposing of unwanted tissue. This is perhaps why the latest studies on excessive use of ascorbic acid show that it may contribute to the development of coronary artery disease. This situation would never arise from the use of the whole vitamin C complex as found in natural foods.

--Tom Cowan, MD

Vitamin C: The Invisible Toothbrush
http://www.westonaprice.org/healthis...oothbrush.html
post #45 of 169
Jane, have you found a good acerola that doesn't have sweeteners added?
post #46 of 169
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NOW is the only brand of Acerola powder that I know of and it has maltodextrin. I use Amla powder for DS from either Himalaya or Paradise Herbs. Neither has additives.
post #47 of 169
Could a person also use these to test for enough C?

http://www.nutri.com/wn/cs.html

I'm asking because I already have loose stool and I'm not sure that I will necessarily know when bowel tolerance is reached...And I REALLY want to do this.

I remembered MT mentioning C-stix (and that they don't make them anymore) so I Googled it and found these.

MT? Thoughts? Advice on using them?
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post #49 of 169
I didn't need to bump, because now I have a post to make :

Today I tried to find out my own personal optidose. I took a bolus dose of 3 grams (3000 milligrams) upon waking, around 10am, then 2grams every hour after that until bedtime. Except I missed two hours of it, so I ended up taking 21 grams in total. I have not yet reached my optidose! But it gets even more interesting: my usually soft, even 'Big D'-like stools have been formed today. Is this surprising only to me?



So tomorrow I am doing a bolus of 5 grams and taking 3 grams every hour thereafter to bowel tolerance. Man, 21 grams and nothing! Sheesh. I'm facing a couple of things on that list above (yeast and mercury), so I wonder if I need an IV? Does a regular MD do that, or do I need a naturopath?

And would the product MT mentioned here: http://livonlabs.com/ benefit me more? JaneS, want to go in on a case?
post #50 of 169
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Interesting you should ask that as my mom has a form of lymphoma and I've been starting to compile info to convince her.
JaneS, would you be willing to share your information that you're compiling? My mother has breast cancer, just had a modified radical mastectomy, and I have been wanting to compile the same sort of information for her. I have the book checked out from the library and am about th start reading it, but I don't get much time to read and research these days (my little one-year-old is about to walk!). I would so so appreciate anything you'd be willing to share (you can email me). And thank you for this thread, too!
post #51 of 169
I've had good luck taking vitamin c when I have a bad reflux attack. Yesterday I had a cup of coffee (yes I know better and shouldn't have, won't anymore) and before I was even finished I had a bonfire feeling in my stomach. I was urping and felt so gross. So I took some vitamin c and magnesium in hopes it would settle my stomach, I felt better about 20 minutes later and I was fine the rest of the night. I slept so good too!
post #52 of 169
I've been following this thread as well as the Immunity 101 thread in Vax. A good long while ago MT, you posted about the negatives of calcium ascorbate as a form of vitamin C and JaneS, you've also posted similar caveats. But I have looked and looked and can find nothing indicating that it is problematic. Do either of you well-informed ladies have any links supporting this info. I would like to be able to show something to my nutritionist. She advises calcium ascorbate as a vit C source and I've got nothing concrete to show her as to why it's not advisable. Thanks
post #53 of 169
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Carnelian,

Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G.
Is calcium ascorbate preferable to sodium ascorbate?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Kalokerinos A, Dettman I, Dettman G.
Vitamin C: the dangers of calcium and safety of sodium ascorbate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Here is an old post that explains it:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ad.php?t=43682
post #54 of 169
does anyone have a suggestion of what I can do for DD when she goes in for cleft palate surgery in Oct? She won't be able to take much by mouth at all, last time was a fight (okay, a brawl) just to get a half an ounce of breastmilk into her by syringe would take half an hour. she was moderately dehydrated for days. She will have an IV in, will the hospital be able to give her a bolus of C if I ask?
post #55 of 169
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Interesting references here:

Ascorbic Acid and Some Other Modern Analogs of the Germ Theory
http://faculty.washington.edu/ely/JOM4.html

Chasmyn,
I'm PM'ing you if the server cooperates!!
post #56 of 169
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Originally Posted by bri276
does anyone have a suggestion of what I can do for DD when she goes in for cleft palate surgery in Oct? She won't be able to take much by mouth at all, last time was a fight (okay, a brawl) just to get a half an ounce of breastmilk into her by syringe would take half an hour. she was moderately dehydrated for days. She will have an IV in, will the hospital be able to give her a bolus of C if I ask?


They should, but be prepared beforehand to fight for exactly what you want and you probably need it in writing. I'm not sure what amount should be.

Are you giving her high vitamin cod liver oil?
post #57 of 169
no, right now I don't give her anything.
post #58 of 169
Thank-you JaneS, for taking the time to post those links. The first two however are coming up as 'no abstract available.' That last link was somewhat helpful tho I'm still confused about the issue. From what was said (I think it's not on to quote from other threads or I would) it appears that the problem is with excess calcium in the blood. If this is the case then what about other forms of calcium, why are they not problematic? If it's not the case then could you explain why calcium ascorbate is not advisable? Thanks again, your knowledge is much appreciated
post #59 of 169
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I haven't found any abstracts for those studies online either. I would give your nutritionist the references and have her get the original articles herself (it might spur her on to do more research) or get them from your library.

Yes, as I understand it, other forms of calcium not absorbed by the body are problematic as well but I don't have references for that one. I do know that calcium is not well absorbed unless other nutrients are available: magnesium for one. Also fat soluble vits, for example, skim milk causes rickets and whole milk with A&D cures it. So excess calcium floating around without other nutrients could be the issue?

Maybe MT would have those Kalekerinos' studies if she pops her head in here...
post #60 of 169
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Lily,

How to Get Intravenous Vitamin C Given to a Hospitalized Patient
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chri...ed_patient.htm
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