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post #81 of 169
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Originally Posted by azdesertrn
Has anyone tested their optimum dose using a "full spectrum vitamin c formula"? I have Garden of Life "Living vitamin C" and have found I can't take 3 tablets at a time- 3 tablets is a serving and is only 500 mg total. I do fine with one at a time. This just seems like a really low dose to be reaching bowel tolerance.

Kaye
I think you need to read the whole thread to get the answer. I checked out the product you asked about and it does not contain sodium asocrbate. It has "living" vitamin C in form of acerola and other not specified form or vit.C. You can not do the optidose with this product. It's totally different thing.
post #82 of 169
Yes, I do realize they are completely different things, that's why I was asking if anyone had tried it. There are a couple of mentions of acerola in the thread including someone wondering what the conversion ratio would be. I realize the more natural forms of C are supposed to be much more potent, but it seems like I should be able to at least take the recommended serving on the bottle without reaching bowel tolerance. (I was not testing for tolerance it was an accidental discovery)

My gut feeling is that it is healthier to be taking the natural forms if possible.

Kaye
post #83 of 169
It was also mentioned somewhere in this or the "sodium ascorbate" thread that the natural form of vitamin C in high doses have side efects and can damage some organs.
post #84 of 169
I have been reading this thread with interest and last week, got some Vitamin C to try to find my optidose.

However it doesn't seem to be working for me. I was up around 8 grams with no sign of loose stool, but MUCH gas. We are talking really horrible nasty gas that hangs in the air like a dense cloud for 30 minutes after it's produced : DH is complaining that he can't walk around the house freely anymore and I can't say I blame him.

Anyone else with this issue? Advice? :
post #85 of 169
Oh the "vitamin C" farts.... we all have them here, cause we are all taking it.
Just keep taking it till you reach your bowl tolerance, that's only think I can tell. Even with 8grams you obviously did not reach it yet.....
post #86 of 169
Thread Starter 
RE: gas

I don't know for sure... but it seems to me that "bowel tolerance" means not just having diarrhea, but having any intestinal symptoms at all. Because bowel tolerance test is designed to measure how much your body is absorbing before it dumps the excess. Once it dumps, your body has reached sufficient oral load (IV can be higher obviously b/c bypasses the gut). So therefore any evidence of dumping would mean that tolerance is reached right?

So interestingly enough when I started testing my tolerance I topped out at about 12-14 grams of sodium ascorbate (plus using 1/5th ratio of bioflavonoids dunno if that makes a difference). So I was taking 10-12 grams/day and then after about a week I kept getting symptoms. I must have "tanked up"

So gradually I dropped down and now I'm at Sodium ascorbate tolerance of 8 grams

Ascorbic acid I did yesterday and it seems to be lower: 6 grams (and yuck I so don't like tolerance test using AA. SA is soooo much better!)
post #87 of 169
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
So interestingly enough when I started testing my tolerance I topped out at about 12-14 grams of sodium ascorbate (plus using 1/5th ratio of bioflavonoids dunno if that makes a difference). So I was taking 10-12 grams/day and then after about a week I kept getting symptoms. I must have "tanked up"
Jane, or anyone else, where do you get your bioflavonoids and can you get them in crystal/powder form or just tablets or caplets? Sorry in advance if this has been addressed already, I've been following the thread over the last couple weeks but may have missed a few posts! Thanks to everyone for sharing their Vit. C info!

Tracy
post #88 of 169
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Jane, or anyone else, where do you get your bioflavonoids and can you get them in crystal/powder form or just tablets or caplets? Sorry in advance if this has been addressed already, I've been following the thread over the last couple weeks but may have missed a few posts! Thanks to everyone for sharing their Vit. C info!

Tracy

http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/s...sp?Item_ID=437
post #89 of 169
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Originally Posted by Yin Yang View Post

Thank you! I'm ordering some today!
post #90 of 169
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Thank you! I'm ordering some today!
no problem, it's been posted in this thread.
here are some other ones:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/webap...r=1&Ntk=Level1
and this one:
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00138.html (300grams is about 10oz I think)
post #91 of 169
I know this has been said, but can someone reiterate:
What is the ratio of SA to bioflavanoids? Is hesperidin a *form* of bioflavanoid or another term for it?

Ordered the book btw, but it's on a reeeally long backorder.
post #92 of 169
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post #93 of 169

x-posted on the SA thread

I've been meaning to ask a couple of questions.

A little history: I have malabsorption, loose stools, floaty.

I have been making every attempt to take SA to optidose (with bioflavinoids) as much as possible. Trouble is, my optidose seems to ne higher than I am able to take. Rather than getting watery diarrhea, my stool actually becomes formed. Still floaty, but formed. One time I thought I made my optidose at 23 grams. Daily I take 3 grams an hour as long as I am awake, so probably from 10a-10p. I might miss a dose here and there, so let's guess that daily I am taking at least 21 - 24 grams. Still no watery D.

I seem to remember reading that a body cannot absorb more than 1 gram per hour, so any more is a waste. Is this true? If so, am I wasting my SA taking 3 grams per hour, and also if true, how can I get enough in me to reach my optidose?

Please please please help! I really want this to work, I can see by the improved stool already that it makes a huge difference for me, so am I getting the whole 24 grams I'm taking or is there a better way?
post #94 of 169
I'm Bumping this cause I am following closely. Want to read the book, but I want to read a lot of books and who knows when I will actually get to.
post #95 of 169
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I'm Bumping this cause I am following closely. Want to read the book, but I want to read a lot of books and who knows when I will actually get to.
IMO its not really so much of a book so sit down and read but a reference book when you need ideas of how to treat X,y or z

My mom did sit down and read the whole thing
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Bumping this, I was on a SA search and found this interesting
post #99 of 169
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
Very interesting huh? and Hilary Butler's paper on vit. C and endotoxins is excellent too:

The Role of Vaccines in SIDS
http://vaxfacts.com/files/folders/mi...entry1393.aspx
post #100 of 169
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
Very interesting huh? and Hilary Butler's paper on vit. C and endotoxins is excellent too:

The Role of Vaccines in SIDS
http://vaxfacts.com/files/folders/mi...entry1393.aspx
Jane!

Thanks for bumping this thread newcastlemama.
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