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post #41 of 73
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Especially when "everyone" you know had an induction and everything was fine.
The thing is, who defines "fine"? Here in the US, with an almost 30% c/s rate? Fine is really subjective. If an alive baby is the desired goal, then, yeah, most women we know are probably having a fine birth experience. If our definition of fine includes the mother and baby's entire well-being during labor/birth, fine is looking a little less so, IMO.

Being hooked up to a machine to start labor, being confined to bed, in a certain position, so the nurse can get her strip, not being "allowed" food or drink "in case" of anesthesia, experiencing a much, much more intense contraction without the benefits of the body's hormonal cocktail of relief, possibly lethargic baby w/breastfeeding problems due to the pain relief necessitated from the pitocin...all not very fine for me.

Something I've found since I became a mother is that I reject what most of my life I thought was "fine." Inductions might be typical, but they're not biologically normal. It was as if all of a sudden, a veil was lifted off my eyes, and I started to question everything.

post #42 of 73
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post #43 of 73
Here's something I've been thinking about, in terms of induction. I'm 40w5d as of today. I feel fine, and I think I could carry this baby for another few weeks without being physically miserable. I know I'm not even that late yet, but I'm already worried because my midwife can't attend my homebirth after 42 weeks. At my EDD I thought, two weeks away, that's a long time. Well, this past week just whizzed past, and now it's closing in on a week away. It's hard to maintain a positive outlook with something like that looming in the near future.

So basically, if he doesn't come out within the state's designated time frame, I face a really lame decision -- a) try to induce with castor oil, etc., b) lose homebirth and start dealing with an OB and the hospital (where I would NOT agree to be induced unless there was a valid medical reason), or c) UC. I've talked tough about how I'd like to UC, but at this point, I don't feel prepared mentally or intellectually (in terms of how to handle complications, etc.). I HATE the idea of inducing for any reason, even with castor oil or herbs or whatever, but I think I hate the idea of losing my homebirth more.

I know it's a different direction than this thread was meant to take, but it's why I might not be able to wait for the baby to decide his birthday.
post #44 of 73
I think fear, fear mongering, overzealous doctors, lack of education, lack of faith in a woman's body, an OB's desire to manage, distorted "due dates" and rare medical occurances all play into the induction craze. An OB is trained to medically manage birth, and to treat pregnancy like an illness instead of a natural state of being. Therefore, when a baby doesn't come out when it's "suppoused" to, the doctor makes a decision to intervene. I think it mainly has to due with fear of an undesireable outcome for mother and baby. OBs fear stillbirth, and what better way to scare a mother into induction that to threaten her with the loss of her child.

On the other hand, there are medical reasons at times for inducation. Rarely a placenta will start to age and in some cases cease to function. This happened to me. My placenta was never very good to begin with; we think this was due to an injury I suffered at about 11 weeks pregnant. I bled for awhile and then it stopped, but I think that my placenta was damaged. My labor just would not start, and my daughter, who had never been very active inside me, was just not moving around a lot. It was starting to get scary and I let my midwife strip my membranes, but luckily when she did so, I was already 4cm dilated so early labor began right away, and I gave birth to a healthy baby girl 24 hrs later. However, when the placenta came out it was very aged and not red like it should have been; it was kind of a pale-ish gray. Having experienced that, it kind of sharpened my thinking to see that while most women will not need an induction, there are medical circumstances that occasionally warrant it. In my case, I was lucky enough that a simple procedure was enough to start labor. Upon examination of my placenta, it became apparant just how close I came to losing my daughter. That was a very sobering experience.
post #45 of 73
i saw a pg mom online sympathizing with another who was considering an elective induction, and she said something like - oh i would do an induction, too, if i were at risk for going past my due date! : i asked what exactly the risks were of going past one's due date?? didn't get an answer...

i hate that a due date is a physically meaningless date. it makes it so much harder to explain to people why they should wait...
post #46 of 73
Very new around here and while PG with #3 just started to question norms myself...

with #2 I begged for an induction and thankfully was ignored by my pregnant OB. with #3 I was in a more 'natural'/normal state of mind. Like the pp's who lied about due dates I told peole, the Dr says the 15th but my $ is on the 21st. My Dr offered an induction at my 40 week appt and I asked if I could wait it out as I hd never been induced and wanted to avoid it at all costs. They told me that they only offered for my comfort and there was no medical reason to induce. Because I knew this would be our last child (at least I am pretty sure) I wanted to enjoy the end of things and go as naturally as my not so crunchy self could! (like I said I am really new here and still learning as I go!)

Long story short, at 1:31 AM on the 22nd (and my $ was on the 21st) I went into labor on my own and delivered a healthy baby boy less than 3 hours later! I can't help but think that if I had taken the induction offer that labor would have been longer and more difficult than it was. I'm all for a due month too!

Please excusse teh typing as I attempt to NAK!
post #47 of 73
I had spontaneous labor with my 1st and 2nd children both going 11 days past their"due date" With my 3rd we had a bad NST with lots of decels at 2days past my due date and we induced. Since then I have had 2 more inductons(ducking : ) I always plan on NOT having them for convenience but at the end I have such a hard time resisting when my Dr. offers. This time I absolutely will NOT unless it is absolutely neccesary(I'm RH sensitized so it may be) My last induced birth was VERY intense and w/out pain meds. Pit was cranked up for hours with just tiny contrax. Then they broke my water and Labor kicked in fast! Went from 4 to 10 in 3hrs flat on my back : Definitely not something I want to do again. I hate that I was induced but I hope to do things a lot differently this time. I can't change the past. I can only work on the future
post #48 of 73
I don't even think most women care when they hear that induced contractions are harder. "I'm going to get an epidural anyway, so why does it matter?" Inductions are seen as "just another way to birth" and totally harmless, much like the elective C-section. I've personally known two first-time moms who requested inductions BEFORE their due dates because they were tired of being pregnant and they were past 38 weeks, so they didn't see the point in waiting. Their OBs obliged and BOTH ended in C-sections for FTP.
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoebemommy
Here's something I've been thinking about, in terms of induction. I'm 40w5d as of today. I feel fine, and I think I could carry this baby for another few weeks without being physically miserable. I know I'm not even that late yet, but I'm already worried because my midwife can't attend my homebirth after 42 weeks. At my EDD I thought, two weeks away, that's a long time. Well, this past week just whizzed past, and now it's closing in on a week away. It's hard to maintain a positive outlook with something like that looming in the near future.

So basically, if he doesn't come out within the state's designated time frame, I face a really lame decision -- a) try to induce with castor oil, etc., b) lose homebirth and start dealing with an OB and the hospital (where I would NOT agree to be induced unless there was a valid medical reason), or c) UC. I've talked tough about how I'd like to UC, but at this point, I don't feel prepared mentally or intellectually (in terms of how to handle complications, etc.). I HATE the idea of inducing for any reason, even with castor oil or herbs or whatever, but I think I hate the idea of losing my homebirth more.

I know it's a different direction than this thread was meant to take, but it's why I might not be able to wait for the baby to decide his birthday.
I am in the exact same situation right now (except you seem much more patient than me. I am so desperate to have this baby!) My dd was the 20th so I am 41 weeks today. Same deal with the homebirth. Not sure what is going to happen if I go to 42 weeks.
post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoebemommy
Here's something I've been thinking about, in terms of induction. I'm 40w5d as of today. I feel fine, and I think I could carry this baby for another few weeks without being physically miserable. I know I'm not even that late yet, but I'm already worried because my midwife can't attend my homebirth after 42 weeks. At my EDD I thought, two weeks away, that's a long time. Well, this past week just whizzed past, and now it's closing in on a week away. It's hard to maintain a positive outlook with something like that looming in the near future.

So basically, if he doesn't come out within the state's designated time frame, I face a really lame decision -- a) try to induce with castor oil, etc., b) lose homebirth and start dealing with an OB and the hospital (where I would NOT agree to be induced unless there was a valid medical reason), or c) UC. I've talked tough about how I'd like to UC, but at this point, I don't feel prepared mentally or intellectually (in terms of how to handle complications, etc.). I HATE the idea of inducing for any reason, even with castor oil or herbs or whatever, but I think I hate the idea of losing my homebirth more.

I know it's a different direction than this thread was meant to take, but it's why I might not be able to wait for the baby to decide his birthday.
I have been in your shoes 5 times. First time tried castor oil and coshes. Didn't work. 2nd time just let nature take its course. 3rd time had my mw break my water. 4th time castor oil again, passed out twice after the brith. 5th time my mw dumped me. Still came to the birth and fudged my edd. 6th time I padded my edd. If you can try to get some wiggle room on your edd. Its very very stressful those last few days. And stress is not conductive to good birthing. I know my babies need to cook longer than others. Maybe you felt the baby move later? Maybe you didn't hear hb with doppler till 14 weeks? Something, anything to let you go a few days later. Just trying to spare you what I have gone through so many times. (((hugs)))
post #51 of 73
I think that MOST women of the general population just don't know any better. They don't educate themselves on the risks of inductions and very few doctors practice informed consent on this topic (or any other topic). I know when I was pg w/ #1, during my first consulation visit (10 weeks pg) the doc told us, "We don't let our mom's go past 41 weeks. It's not good for the mom, it's not good for the baby and it's not good for us." I took it, hook, line and sinker and was SO relieved to walk out of there KNOWING I would have the baby home by Mother's Day 2001.

I went into labor on my own, 4 days before MY due date (7 before theirs) but ended up w/ a c/s anyway.

Oh...how things have changed since then. I truly believe that inductions are the root of birthing evil and how south our pathetic birthing culture has gone.
post #52 of 73
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post #53 of 73
Inductions are not safe there is so many problems that can arise with induction and everything else that they do to women. Induction is the #1 cause of premature babies. This is all due to lack of trust in the women's body. It makes me so sad when women go to a hospital to give birth.
post #54 of 73

Me too! I don't want to lose my homebirth!

I really relate with phoebemommy and full heart because today I am 6 days past my due date and I am already anxious about losing my homebirth opportunity! My DS was 3 days early and weighed over 10 lbs, so I made the mistake this time of thinking that things would happen right around my due date, and now that Nothing Is Happening, I am going a little nuts...

Another difference between this pregnancy and the previous one was that I worked at my very stressful full time corporate job right up to the day before I went into labor for my first pregnancy, so a) I never got the chance to 'wait' for the baby, but b) I was very stressed and didn't have half the things ready that I wanted to have ready. This time everything is so ready that DH and I are going out of our minds with boredom. Up until a few weeks ago we were hosting dinner parties and making all sorts of plans, doing all sorts of projects, etc. that we wanted to do before Second Baby arrived, and now we are just twiddling our thumbs--DH doesn't even have enough to do at work because he expected to be on parternity leave by now! My pubic bone is soooooo sore and and I am chasing a toddler around all day... the only thing he wants to do is go to the playground for hours on end so I have the pleasure of sitting outside in the 90+ degree heat and humidity (at least it makes him nap really well!) I am still going to aerobics, it is one of the only things that makes me feel better, of course now the midwives are suggesting that I just 'rest' but if I do any more 'resting' I am going to go berserk.

I did pretty well to explain to everyone that I am 'planning' a homebirth (doesn't necessarily mean it will happen) and that I have a 'homebirth window' which ranges from August 3rd to September 7th. Still, everyone wanted to know The Due Date. Argh.

All I know is, the baby is fine, I am fine, and she will show up when she is good and ready, and I just need to constantly block out all the negativity that is stressing me out: strangers asking if 'they' are going to induce me, midwives explaining that I need to make appts for stress tests and ultrasound to 'prove' that baby and I are still healthy and eligible for homebirth, people saying, "What!?!?! You haven't had that baby yet?!?!?!"

My favorite is that my mom calls every few days and tells me which days are more convenient for baby to be born (she is caring for DS during birth, etc.) For instance, this Thursday or Friday would be great days for baby to come because she doesn't have any business appts AND my sister will be back from Europe by then and will be able to help. Thanks, Mom. I will pass your message on to my womb. :

People in our culture don't even begin to understand how psychological the birth process is. I have written in my birth plan that all people present must exude positive energy or they will have to leave, because if they are even *thinking* negative thoughts I will pick up on it. Last time it was bad enough knowing that Grandma, who was 1500 miles away, had decided that I was going to die during childbirth because I had some swelling. (No HBP or anything else, just some swelling!) She called several times before the birth begging me to have DS in the hospital.

One of my friends who labored for 30+ hours and ended up w/a c-section (this was 15 years ago before c's were so 'popular') I firmly believe could not let herself have her baby because she was too busy worrying about her 'support' people, her (ex)husband and her sister, who are both extremely self-focused people who were having very negative reactions to her labor process. (She also quit BFing before she planned to because of husband's negative reactions... breasts are supposed to be sexual objects rather than feeding devices, after all!)

So all this discomfort/impatience mixed with Drs and Midwives offering induction I think psychologically undermines a mother's confidence to stick it out and have the baby when the baby is ready to be born. I feel fortunate to be educated enough to be aware of the risks that you all are also aware of.

It is frustrating when you try to pass on your knowledge to people who do not listen or understand what you are telling them, especially when you can clearly see that they are increasing risk to themselves and their babies, but at least you can say that you tried. I hope and pray that the examples that I live will inspire my two younger sisters to make educated decisions about their future pregnancies/families. There are 4 moms in DS's playgroup who are expecting next year, and I LOVE to answer their questions about all my weird natural ways (one wants to know about my cloth diaper system! yay!) It would be so neat if one of them decided to have a homebirth or use a midwife. It's just like that book, "The Tipping Point" says, at some point an idea or set of ideas gets spread around enough that it enters the mainstream and takes on a life of its own. I hope that day comes soon for our culture as it relates to pregnancy, childbirth, BFing, CDing, etc, etc.

Now I will shut up. Sorry this is so long. I obviously don't have anyone to talk to about these things! Now it is out and I am feeling much more positive.

-dflanag2
post #55 of 73
Mainstream literature just hasn't caught up with the fact that induction leads to a ton of issues.

First off issues with the baby - respiratory, breastfeeding difficulties, etc.

Second, induction is a slippery slope. You're at the hospital from the beginning so you're already on the clock. If you're not progressing fast enough it's pitocin which makes contractions painful so mom is more likely to get the epidural, and causes them to be so close together that baby is not getting a break like he would in the normal course of labor. Then if the epi is administered it can cause low blood pressure in mom, heartrate drop in baby, which may lead to ROM, which removes the cushioning the baby has, further exacerbating the risk of fetal distress. Next thing you know the OB is freaking out trying to avoid a lawsuit and recommending c-section NOW.

The above was exactly what happened to me. I was pushing - she was already crowning - and the OB threatened to section me. I consented to the vacuum, which caused me to tear forward :

None of these risks were ever discussed with me when the induction was scheduled and I certainly never imagined the domino effect of interventions that occured.

I did a lot of reading before DD1's birth, but it was all the wrong stuff.
post #56 of 73
Because they are moving.

Seriously
My SIL was induced because they had an out of state move schedualed three weeks after DN due date.

Five days after her EDD she went to the hospital for an induction. They went to the hospital early on a Wednesday morning and their son was not born until over 40 hours later. She ended up with a CS and spent until Monday afternoon in the hospital. I can't even fathom being in the hospital that long to have a baby.

I'm convinced that if they had just waited longer that they could very likely had their baby and gotten home from the hospital quicker if they had just let nature take it course.
post #57 of 73
I don't have anything to add in regards to the ignorance of the general population as tot he dangers and risks of induction and their quantitative lack of education on the subject.

However I will say this:
All the posts about homebirthers "losing their homebirth" for goign past 42 weeks is sriously pissing me off! How can states do that to women!? There are three or four mentions in this thread alon eand I've seen countless others in other places. It's seriously aggrivating and anger-provoking! Due dates are arbitrary numbers! Ugh.... I'd say more but I'm steamin!

Namaste, Tara
post #58 of 73
There are a lot of posts up here already, so forgive me if this is a repeat.

I don't understand why it so hard for pregnant moms and the medical community at large to understand the term physiological process. Birth is not just about fitting into a certain set of physical parameters, it is very much about emotion and state of mind as well. A woman delivers her baby not only when mother nature says the baby is done, but also when she is totally ready to experience the intense process. Some women are so terribly underprepared by their caretakers and society at large that they will never be really ready to face that process, so their body doesn't get it started. When I had my daughter, it was because I decided I was ready. I took care of lining up all of the things I needed in my home; unfinished chores, baby prep, etc, then focused on communicating with my little girl that it was time for her to come out. I focused inwardly, and was in labor within a day. Unfortunately, I ended up with a c/s because of my sOB, but I know that what started the process was an internal focus, not a time clock.
post #59 of 73
I think that I will start demanding Bowel movements of EVERY woman at 12 on tuesdays. Silly huh. just like every baby comes at EXACTLY 40 weeks... SILLY.
post #60 of 73
It makes me sad when I meet mamas who are *against* inductions, and really don't want them....

.... and then they get an induction 1 week past their "due date".

I know it's hard to stay patient. My DD was 4 days "overdue" and I was hoping every day that I'd go into labor. DS was within a week early, and I was even less patient that time. But I was still adamant about waiting till 41 weeks to even consider *talking* about induction with people. There's just too many variables with the whole due date system. Every baby needs the time they need.
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