This is the most agonizing decision - when/how/if to Vax

[Maxine45]

I just came back from my baby's 2 month Dr. Appt. I had talked to the Dr. about delaying Vax when he was 3 days old, and when we got there today I told her I'd decided to wait until he's a year old and better able to handle the vaccines. He is perfectly healthy, no issues whatsoever. I'm just concerned about the things I've read: the crazy ingredients in vaccines, the amount that is recommended seems way over the top, especially for a 2 month old, the studies that show increased asthma, ADHD, everything under the sun can be blamed on the increase in the amount of Vax given to our babies.

The Dr. told me that a baby in this community died last winter of Meningitis (I saw that on the news). He wasn't a daycare baby, he lived at home just like mine will. She said she's seen babies die in their mommy's arms in the emergency room. Baby has a greater chance of getting whooping cough than getting hurt from a vax.

My husband works at a very large and global company with people coming in and out of travel all the time, and this is another concern of ours.

It's just agonizing, I feel that no matter what I choose, it could have devastating consequences for my dearest little boy.

I'm a mess over this issue, I have been since before he was born. How does anyone make this decision and feel solid about it?

[~member~]

Whooping cough is dangerous to newborns, and they don't even give the vax until after 2 months, also, you need three shots to get the most coverage. By then your baby is out of the 'danger zone'.

[~member~]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

How does anyone make this decision and feel solid about it?

Educate yourself about the diseases and how to prevent injury/death (quite easy), and then the dangers of vaccines (more people are injured/killed by vaccines than by the diseases).

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ad.php?t=57794 Here is an 'easy' thread that will take you through step-by-step. If a link doesn't work, feel free to post here and I will help you get the info you seek.

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

The Dr. told me that a baby in this community died last winter of Meningitis (I saw that on the news). He wasn't a daycare baby, he lived at home just like mine will.

Did the baby die from a meningitis strain "covered" by a vaccine?

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

She said she's seen babies die in their mommy's arms in the emergency room.

Of what? Pertussis? Exactly how many babies has she seen "die in their mommy's arms?"

It's a typical ped scare tactic.

[Maxine45]

Thank you for your posts, so quickly. I will check that other thread. The information can be overwhelming for a simple psych major like myself. . .

Originally Posted by LongIsland

Did the baby die from a meningitis strain "covered" by a vaccine?

I didn't think to ask that question, I didn't even ask if he was breastfed. She implied he wasn't vaccinated but I don't even know if THAT is true.

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

Thank you for your posts, so quickly. I will check that other thread.

Check out this one too

Name that lie . . . and other scaremongering stories and quotes from your ped:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=446739

[alegna]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

Baby has a greater chance of getting whooping cough than getting hurt from a vax.

The CDC admits that there is a higher chance of vaccine reaction than even CATCHING ANY of the diseases vaccinated for.



-Angela

[LongIsland]

Here are the pertussis stats for Orgegon broken down by age from 1994-2004: http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/acd/dis.../agecase.shtml

In a 10-year period, there have been a total of 287 cases of pertussis reported in children under age of one in Oregon.

According to CDC, from 1991-2001, there were 1,667 reported vaccine adverse events reported in Oregon . . . which is grossly underreported by the way and 23,295 reactions reported in children under the age of one for the entire U.S. The majority of the 23,295 reports for children under the age of one were adverse reactions from pertussis-containing vaccines.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5201a1.htm

[spero]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

Baby has a greater chance of getting whooping cough than getting hurt from a vax.

Someone just posted recently that pertussis is admittedly the most reactive vax. Did your ped also mention that many kids who get pertussis are vaccinated?

She said she's seen babies die in their mommy's arms in the emergency room.

Just about everybody here can tell you they've heard a similar statement made by their doctor ... yet nobody has ever seen anything on the news about these horrible infant deaths. Peds will stoop to the most unethical, unimaginable levels of scaremongering to get you to vaccinate.

[Maxine45]

Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies

Educate yourself about the diseases and how to prevent injury/death (quite easy), and then the dangers of vaccines (more people are injured/killed by vaccines than by the diseases).

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ad.php?t=57794 Here is an 'easy' thread that will take you through step-by-step. If a link doesn't work, feel free to post here and I will help you get the info you seek.

thanks, this is great. one link that's giving me a 404 message is:
"And then there is the data on vaccine injuries...kept by US dept of health..basically a summery of the most dangerous vaxes...here is a link that contains that link plus more:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/health...us_vaccines.htm
"

[LongIsland]

Some more stats:

In 2003, 70% of the children who contracted pertussis in Oregon under the age of 12 months were vaccinated. They don't specify the number of doses; however, most children in the United States are fully immunized by 6 months of age.

In 2003, there were fourteen (14) pertussis-related deaths for the ENTIRE country in all age groups.

http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/acd/orepi/sspert.pdf

[Jen123]

I get the distinct impression your ped is lying to you. Scaring you into vaxing. If all the ped does is give you scare stories and not actual facts that he can back up...the ped is lying.

Find a new one.

[~member~]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

thanks, this is great. one link that's giving me a 404 message is:
"And then there is the data on vaccine injuries...kept by US dept of health..basically a summery of the most dangerous vaxes...here is a link that contains that link plus more:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/health...us_vaccines.htm
"

Yeah, we are working on creating a new thread with updated info, but most of us are parents.

Try this one...
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html

http://www.mamadearest.ca/en/info/newman/protects.htm This one describes how and why breastmilk is the best protection.

http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/...on/black17.htm

"Colostrum is the first fluid secreted by the mammary glands after childbirth. Although deficient in many nutrients found in milk, colostrum contains large quantities of antibodies that cross the intestinal mucosa and enter the infant's blood."

(d) The infant is thus naturally immune against many or all of the diseases that the mother is immune to especially as a consequence of the mother possessing antibodies (a form of specific immunity) against the associated pathogens

The last link is good for cross-referencing, as the CDC lies by omission.

[insider]

Originally Posted by Maxine45

The Dr. told me that... Baby has a greater chance of getting whooping cough than getting hurt from a vax.

That's not the appropriate comparison to make. You don't compare chances of contracting the disease to being harmed by the vax - you compare chances of being harmed by the disease vs. being harmed by the vax. And that risk/benefit analysis favors not vaccinating.

[CookieMonsterMommy]

Originally Posted by LongIsland

Of what? Pertussis? Exactly how many babies has she seen "die in their mommy's arms?"

It's a typical ped scare tactic.

That's true. i've worked for doctors who've said VERY similar things. And yeah, they had seen patients dying in their mommy's arms. Because they were hit by a car. Or left alone in a bathtub for 'just a minute'. Or had cancer.

I've been in health care a while (taken care of literally thousands of patients) and I've never seen a baby/child/adult die from whooping cough, chicken pox, measles, mumps, tetanus, etc. I have seen some icky vax reactions (seizures, etc), and am convinced I've seen more than one case of moderate-severe autism caused by vax.

MiTB, I, I, I've never seen you like this...:

Kelly

[Dar]

Moved to Vaccinations...

Dar

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by CookieMonsterMommy

I've been in health care a while (taken care of literally thousands of patients) and I've never seen a baby/child/adult die from whooping cough, chicken pox, measles, mumps, tetanus, etc.

Only a handful of children die of pertussis annually, most are under two months according to the CDC. Just prior to the vaccine's introduction, you had more pertussis deaths . . . but that was friggin sixty years ago. According to the CDC, there are at least 600,000 adults (18+) who contract and of course spread pertussis annually (much more than the pre-vaccine era) and the mortality rate is still low. Several thousand children get pertussis each year, yet only a dozen will die annually and hospitalizations are low.

A child tetanus death was and always will be pretty much non-existent - vaxed or unvaxed. There is no record of a child tetanus death for decades. Besides, there were only about 200+ tetanus deaths (all age groups) prior to the widespread use of the vaccine, so it was hardly a killer and proper wound management had everything to do with the decrease in mortality. I think parents are under the impression that tetanus is like rabies . . . it's not.

Just prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine, there were about 400 measles deaths (all age groups) and those people very likely had compromised immune systems. Even the WHO states "measles itself doesn't kill children."

Prior to the vax introduction, mumps, varicella and rubella were not killers. Ninety-five percent (95%) of those who contracted polio were asymptomatic and the rest exhibited flu-like symptoms. Paralytic polio was extremely rare and grossly exaggerated.

There were no "killer" VPD's prior to the introduction of their respective vaccines.

[Mommy To Baby Roni]

According to the CDC, there are at least 600,000 adults (18+) who contract and of course spread pertussis annually

This was me. I had no idea, of course, that's what I had, until I started researching vaccines a couple of years later when pg. I went to two doctors while sick and neither mentioned it could have been pertussis. It's not really any different than any other respiratory infection...you don't want your child to get it and there's no effective vaccine for it. You just have to do what you can to help your child to be healthy.

Imo, you really, really need to read How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite Of Your Doctor, by Dr. Mendelsohn. Some of the info on vaccines could be more update, to cover today's new vaccines, but the man has passed away and you'll get plenty of info on vaccines to get you started and move you on to other books. I think this is a book every parent should read to help them to feel confident that they don't need to run to the emergency room or ped's office with every sniffle, cough or fever.

Start by learning about the diseases before you move on to the vaccines for them. Regardless of your decision whether or not to vaccinate, your child will get sick...with something. Learning about how illness occurs and how your child's body naturally fights it off and how you can help their immune system to become stronger, will help calm your fears that every new parent has.

CONGRATULATIONS!

And, LI, great stats. I'm so rusty and now feel a little polished up.

[marketinggirl]

hi.
the thing about your husband's work is an interesting point.
if you decide to vaccinate, perhaps you should consider one shot at a time instead of 5 in 1 or a few at a time. dr. stephanie cave's book "what your doctor may not tell you about vaccinations" was very informative and helpful to me.
my husband and i chose not to vacc our daughter. but if we were to go to another country or if our situation were like yours, we might reconsider.
my sister and her husband let their daughter have all the shots. i spoke to them before she was born, just about researching, etc. then when they said they were gonna give her the shots, i suggested one at a time. they didn't seem to even consider it.
so far, 1 1/2 yrs old, she is "healthy" - in spite of everything.

just something to think about.