Healing the Gut in September - Page 6

[artisticat]

(I'm making my own tea blends for liver support and digestive support).

caedmyn, can you share your tea recipe?? I am wanting to do more support for my liver and was thinking about adding milk thistle. Just wondering what you use.

Stacy

[sparkletruck]

Im not Cademyn ( ) but I drink a tea by Triple Leaf tea called Detox. Alternately, you could get loose herbs of Dandelion, Nettles, Yellow Dock, Burdock, red clover, and I know there are others but that would be a good start.

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by JaneS

It's a good thing this child is so cute.

:

If I had a penny for every time a phrase such as that was uttered in our house.

Best of luck Jane.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by krissi

I don't think CDSA is considered 100% reliable for yeast. CDSA is good for other bacteria but DD comes up negative for yeast on CDSA also but extremely high positive for yeast metabolites (D-Arabinitol) on an organic acid urine test...plus definitive other symptoms. Our DAN explained that there are numerous reasons why yeast might not show up in a CDSA. It could be that it is located higher up in the digestive tract so that there's not much coming out in the stool, or one DAN mentioned something like that the body may be coating it in antibodies so that it is there but does not grow in the lab setting.

Arghhh. I wish I had known that before I shelled out $300+ for each dd. Oh well, I guess I did find out one good thing in that neither dd has *any* beneficial bacteria.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

I finally have some concrete proof that the anti-candida diet is working for me. We're visiting DH's family and I have been pretty much eating the SAD for the last week--I planned to eat well but we have been on the go and eating most meals at restaurants, and it just has not happened. I've also eaten a ton of sugar:

But...I've had a sore spot in a molar (probably a cavity but haven't been to a dentist) for over a year, and I noticed that it is pretty much gone. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back after all this sugar, but clearly the diet was healing it (it didn't improve at all on the SCD), even with no butter/butter oil in my diet.

I've also been really bloated after going off the diet...probably the sugar alone would make me bloat, but I know I was bloated when I started the anti-candida diet, also, and that had gone away, so yet another sign that it was helping.

I'm kind of frustrated because I feel like I'm undoing all the progress I made over the last couple of months on this trip, but at the same time, I think going off the diet for a bit is a good thing for a couple of reasons--one, because I am very confident now that it was helping, and that will help me stay on it. Also, I was really getting to the point where I was totally obsessing about food--obsessing about eating healthy foods, and fantasizing about eating junk food, which basically led to me totally binging on junk when it was available. After a bit of soul-searching I think I can finally have a realistic attitude about food now--sticking to the diet without obsessing about either eating perfectly or eating junk, and just letting myself heal SLOWLY (it takes forever it seems like!).

I could have written this post myself...

My biggest hurdle is the food obsession-I constantly think about food all day long. What will be my next meal? When can I have ___? I don't think you will have undone your progress, maybe a little setback. It sounds like you have renewed vigor for sticking with the diet.

Thanks for pointing out the minerals, I think I am finally to the point where I need help with my suppliments and am going to make an appt with an applied kinesiologist.

[Ex Libris]

Originally Posted by EBG

Did you start all these things at the same time (kimchi, kefir, SA etc...)?
They can cause massive die-off by themselves, let alone together. Go easy with the probiotics...one thing at a time and when things settled in your tummy, then add another one.
Stinky poop could be bacterial overgrowth.
Or it could be the kimchi. Fermented cabbage makes my BM-s stinky too, but I can tell it's the cabbage.
How much selenium were you taking? I'd rather do 1-2 soaked brazil nuts...
Soaking grains is great, but still don't overdo it. Our diet shouldn't be centered on grains, even if they are soaked. If you have gut issues you might want to get off grains for a while.
IBS could run in families because they tend to eat the same things.
The WAPF diet is great for life but it will take much longer to heal than SCD for example, because you're still doing a lot of carbs.

Thanks for replying to my questions, EBG. No, I started all of the probiotics at different times. I know the selenium was causing a lot of the problem. My symptoms got better after I stopped taking it. I think I need a different form/brand. The one I was taking had yeast in it (that should've been my first clue). I was taking 200 mg a day. Unfortunately I can't find a good source of brazil nuts.

When you say I might have "bacterial overgrowth," what do you mean and how do I treat it?

I think you're right about the grains. I'm addicted to them--I don't eat sugar anymore, which is good, but I've replaced them with the next closest thing, grains. I just don't feel full unless I've got a belly-full of bread, rice, oatmeal, etc. So you recommend I cut down and see what happens? Or should I just try the SCD diet and see what happens?

Pookietooth--thanks for telling me about the PPD forum--I've been reading around over there all day today and have found lots of great info!

[caedmyn]

enzymes between meals--I can't tell if they're helping or not. They're not producing die-off symptoms. I haven't been all that great at remembering to take them, though, and the crappy diet doesn't help. I think I'll have 5 or 6 days worth left when I get back home and I'm going to take the rest of them while I'm back on the anti-candida program to hopefully help jump-start healing again.

The more I think about it, the more I feel the anti-candida program was helping me. When I started it I had mild acne, which improved although it didn't entirely clear up (maybe improved 75%). I had more energy and felt pretty good in spite of getting up 3 or more times a night with DD. I've also had sensitive front teeth for years, and this week I realized that had gone away on the diet, too (it's back after my junk food binge but hopefully will go away again quickly). I just need to stop obsessing about how long healing is taking, and why I still have gas, and when is my digestion going to be *perfect*.

Somebody mentioned something about sugar cravings on the anti-candida diet...I had horrible sugar cravings for about 2-3 weeks after I started the diet and didn't cheat. Then they completely went away.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by artisticat

caedmyn, can you share your tea recipe?? I am wanting to do more support for my liver and was thinking about adding milk thistle. Just wondering what you use.

Stacy

I'll try to remember to look it up when I get home (Sunday)...can't remember it all off the top of my head.

[LovinLiviLou]

I've been on scd since 8/17, and dd (who is ebf and 3 months old) has pooped about every 3-4 days since I started. Now we're on day 8 - should I be worried? I started her on Bifido factor Monday (long story - took me a month of hard work and 4 diff stores trying to order it to get the dairy free), so I'm wondering if that has played a role. Interestingly, she is happier and more alert than she's been before, so it doesn't seem like it's bothering her. She does still have very stinky gas, though, so I know there are still issues.

I'm obsessing over wanting this child to poop! But seriously, when should I worry?

[sparkletruck]

JaneS - Im half way through the power of p's thread - in it you mention that your ds was on lactbacilluss GG and you really liked it, but now you are into reuteri. Why the switch, what do you notice in difference?

For those who care , I started ds on reuteri today, so we'll see what happens to his poops (they are always soft, usually runny). I also have my first batch of yogurt in the maker! I used 1 qt milk, 1/4 c. yogurt (bulgarian style? It had nothing in it but good pb's and milk), and 1 tbsp. Primadophilus children (it had a good mix of stuff in it, and is powder so easier to use) We'll see.

[p1gg1e]

Hi all I was on the I belive May healing the gut tribe and I found out I was pregnant and got distracted

I have a couple questions if anyone can help. My PH was off at my last MW appointment, ANd I'm felling yeasty in the gut again ( I was doing so well) I switched digestive enzymes and proboitis to the H.O.P.E formula stuff and I'm wondering if that was the problem. Its the 50 billion probiotic and well I'm wondering now if it was money best spent elswhere ( its almost $40 I belive)

So I'm doing Garlic and fish oil right now to fight the yeast. I now can no longer handle dairy so I think I'm worse.

#1. what probiotic is good?
#2. what herbs are same during pregnancy for Candida infections?

I'm thinking of getting a yogurt maker and seeing if I can tolerate whole yogurt that is home made? Sigh I'm getting worried and overwhelmed worring about this new baby being born to the yeast queen

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by saskiasmom

JaneS - Im half way through the power of p's thread - in it you mention that your ds was on lactbacilluss GG and you really liked it, but now you are into reuteri. Why the switch, what do you notice in difference?

That must have been a while ago... while DS was still bf'ing? He seemed to respond very well at first, it was px'd by our ND. He had such a wide diet too (although I thought it was limited at the time.) Well once I weaned him all hell broke loose (with no new foods added). And that led me to SCD and we did just acidophilus for a while as he was dairy free for first 6 mos on it.

Recently I put him back on Reuteri cultured with his goat yogurt and his poops really firmed up. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to mean he can tolerate more foods though right now though (all SCD legal too).

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by LovinLiviLou

I've been on scd since 8/17, and dd (who is ebf and 3 months old) has pooped about every 3-4 days since I started. Now we're on day 8 - should I be worried? I started her on Bifido factor Monday (long story - took me a month of hard work and 4 diff stores trying to order it to get the dairy free), so I'm wondering if that has played a role. Interestingly, she is happier and more alert than she's been before, so it doesn't seem like it's bothering her. She does still have very stinky gas, though, so I know there are still issues.

I'm obsessing over wanting this child to poop! But seriously, when should I worry?

This is probably caused by her flora changing. Can you try to nurse more so she gets more fluids? (and you need to drink a ton). BM is a natural laxative. Which probiotic did you get?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by firefaery

I'm trying a new probiotic after much research. Dear god I hope it helps.

Tell me more about this research and new probiotic!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by krissi

I don't think CDSA is considered 100% reliable for yeast. CDSA is good for other bacteria but DD comes up negative for yeast on CDSA also but extremely high positive for yeast metabolites (D-Arabinitol) on an organic acid urine test...plus definitive other symptoms. Our DAN explained that there are numerous reasons why yeast might not show up in a CDSA. It could be that it is located higher up in the digestive tract so that there's not much coming out in the stool, or one DAN mentioned something like that the body may be coating it in antibodies so that it is there but does not grow in the lab setting.

This is what I think too. DS had those fluffy poo's and not sleeping and hands in his mouth, chewing on his fingers. Seems like yeast to me? He is still in diapers at night so cannot do the OAT test.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by p1gg1e

Hi all I was on the I belive May healing the gut tribe and I found out I was pregnant and got distracted

I have a couple questions if anyone can help. My PH was off at my last MW appointment, ANd I'm felling yeasty in the gut again ( I was doing so well) I switched digestive enzymes and proboitis to the H.O.P.E formula stuff and I'm wondering if that was the problem. Its the 50 billion probiotic and well I'm wondering now if it was money best spent elswhere ( its almost $40 I belive)

So I'm doing Garlic and fish oil right now to fight the yeast. I now can no longer handle dairy so I think I'm worse.

#1. what probiotic is good?
#2. what herbs are same during pregnancy for Candida infections?

I'm thinking of getting a yogurt maker and seeing if I can tolerate whole yogurt that is home made? Sigh I'm getting worried and overwhelmed worring about this new baby being born to the yeast queen

I really think homemade yogurt/kefir is best for probiotics. You can get 15 billion in a teaspoon. You can also try water kefir grains, there is a thread in Traditional Foods forum about them if you are not sure about dairy.

I would try to treat the problem with food rather than a yeast killer during pregnancy. What is your diet like?

What fish oil are you taking? I would take high vitamin cod liver oil.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I really think homemade yogurt/kefir is best for probiotics.

Sorry forgot to add my usual... "that being said we've seen results with Nature's Way Reuteri and Culturelle". Both of those have a lot of science backing them. You just need to take way more than the bottle says, and like 3x/day. Gets really expensive. Which is why I'm culturing DS's yogurt with the Reuteri to boost bacterial count easily.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

Jane, to you and the little guy. Sorry he's having to go through so much testing to find out what's wrong, but glad that you're able to afford to pay for the testing. Or have great insurance!

Thanks, it is on our insurance... but it's not all I want. Got both DH and Dr. wishes to contend with and it's frustrating me. The dr. is going slow and wants to wait on all the testing I requested until after we uncover the allergies. If I had lots of money, DS would be at the Pfeiffer Center.

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I would try to treat the problem with food rather than a yeast killer during pregnancy. What is your diet like?

What fish oil are you taking? I would take high vitamin cod liver oil.

Thanks

I'm taking salmon oil I have cod liver oil though I can take. Cant remember brand its upstiars right now. I also take garlic, and GSE. Oh and my Prenatel Vitamin ( natures sunshine ) it sits well.

My diet has been Complex carbs no refined sugar. I have dark chocolate everyonce an awhile other wise I'd dye . Um no colors , preservatives , hydroganated oils ect.

#1.Would canberry juice be good to drink?

#2.What yogurt maker is good for the $$? I just did lactose free milk ( just a sip) so far so good would I be able to make Yogurt with lactose free milk?

My DD is allergic to all animal milk ( other than mine ) protien even in yogurt. I'll have to stick to soy for her till she gets older right? She just stops listening and is restless ( when she was and infant she used to vomit if I ate it), otherwise she is normal without it : .

**added**

the probiotic you listed is more than half cheaper than the one I take. here is what I take ( 3x day) and I'm not getting better infact worse :

http://www.smartbomb.com/rl53551.html

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Mom2baldie

Thanks for your response Jane.

To answer your questions, we have been seeing this Dr. for several months now, but we just completed all the testing she ordered for my son.

We found that he has a number of food allergies. Soy, dairy, corn, egg, pork and wheat being a few of them. Soy was the most severe according to their testing, but I really have my doubts about how reliable it is... Anyways, after that part of the testing was complete I was given a prescription for allergy shots to give him twice a week because they said that I wouldn't be able to cut all of those foods out of his diet.

He is also low in B vitamins, has low glutathione (which a lotion was prescribed for) and has an intestinal parasite called dientamoeba fragilis trophs that was found in moderate amounts in his stool, in addition to the yeast overgrowth. He has not been tested for heavy metal poisoning.

I have been reading about the GFCF diet and would like to try this, but am unsure of how well it will work considering that I won't have the support of my husband or my mom (my only other family). My mom is horrible about feeding my children junk, she wouldn't handle us being on a special diet very well at all. I did join a yahoo group for gfcf recipes/families and looking at many of the recipes I saw that most of them have foods he has an allergy to, so I am not sure what to do about that.

Yes, he does take probiotics everyday, but he is still low in beneficial bacteria. I am not sure if what I am giving him is the best product or not though. His Dr. recommended something called "Ultra Flora DF" that comes in capsule form.

Thank you for the book and support group recommendations. I am just so overwhelmed. The 1st time someone mentioned autism to me was when he was around 2, the 1st time I took him to be evaluated he was 3 and the woman tried to write me a prescription for a ritalin-type drug. She said to me "If he had another illness you would give him medication right? It is the same thing. He is sick and he needs medicine."

I never took their prescriptions, but I did give him antibiotics for his endless ear infections and dutifully took him in to well-appointments for his many, many vaccinations. I know that I was doing what I thought I was supposed to do, but it is sad to know that I have helped cause many of his problems. At least I realized the truth before causing any harm to my younger children.

Lynsey

You have a lot to deal with, my heart goes out to you! As far as your mom goes, I think you just need to tell her no more and that's it. I had to do that myself (my mom and my DH too!) so I know not as easy as it sounds.

I thought allergy shots didn't work for food allergies? What tests were they?

You might try just increasing the probiotics you give, I've heard of some kids needing 6 capsules/day to maintain and more to get better.

For the gluthiaone issue you can up his vitamin C to help detox.