Healing the Gut in September - Page 26

[Annikate]

Hey, I've been thinking about Jane too. I also want to know about the appt.

Maybe she's gone because this thread has turned into a "battling yeast" thread.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Annikate

I didn't read the whole study but it sounds an awful lot like NCD or Zeolite. Check out this thread.

Now why didn't you post this sooner????

(ok I remember you posting about this a few months ago.)

HMMMMMMM................. (I've recently become convinced that my fillings may be the root of our yeast battle.)

[shafer]

Thanks for your reply and input Milkamama, our situations do sound really similar. Nolansmum, I will check out the links you gave me. Thanks!

Sometimes I feel all of this will never end. I'm also trying to get rid of yeast overgrowth in myself and deal with my own gut issues that I know contributed to my poor ds issues. It really sucks to feel like my own issues hurt his health as well. I definately wish I would have been more aware on healing both of us while I was still nursing. Much guilt and regret.

I'm not sure if everyone (who's also fighting yeast) has tried this product or not, but I am really seeing good results with Thorne's Formula SF722. I'm horrible with strict diets, but I got this product months ago and started off doing really well on the diet and in those first 2 wks I cleared up some fungal rashes, fingernail infection, bloating went away, etc. I could see myself eliminating the yeast in my bm's. Sorry, I know TMI.
BUT, the die off was severe. So severe I had to taper off, then I tapered off some more to the point I really was no longer following the diet closely enough, and was just doing enzymes. So, I'm starting more slowly this time and hopefully will finish healing completely.
Anyway, I realize everyone's situations are a little different, but just thought I would throw that out and let people know what seems to be working for me.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by Pattyla

Now why didn't you post this sooner????

(ok I remember you posting about this a few months ago.)

HMMMMMMM................. (I've recently become convinced that my fillings may be the root of our yeast battle.)

I post A LOT off OT things here & sometimes feel for doing it.

OMG metals are *THE* cause of this nightmare we've been living.

GO GET THAT BOOK I POSTED ABOUT!!!!! The author talks all about it too.

[Punchy Kaby]

Ok, you have been talking a lot about murcury and I have not gotten that far in my readings yet but can I ask if I might have a problem with that too? I do not have any fillings but I was vaccinated as a child in the 70's and then had a fresh batch of vaccines when I entered the Army 4 years ago , they did not tell us to bring our vaccination records to basic training and if we didn't have pproof that we had to have a fresh shot.

Thanks Annikate for the suggestion of reading the nutrition/immunology thread. I am on pg 15 so far and feel : . But hopefully I will figure something out for myself!

[Pookietooth]

I think maybe Jane's probably just overwhelmed because her ds is in preschool now, and she's trying to heal him so he can handle it. I sure do miss her though. She's so awesome! Annikate, so you can chelate with zeolite while still bfing? That would be cool. And there is a cheaper source of zeolite? It is expensive on that one website. Can you make it from cat litter, I wonder?

I've been taking some antidepressant supplements, including 5 HTP, and have been feeling a lot better. I hope it continues, as being depressed gets in the way of healing, and I'm positive it's caused DS a lot of problems (anxiety, etc.).

[haleyelianasmom]

Originally Posted by shafer

I'm not sure if everyone (who's also fighting yeast) has tried this product or not, but I am really seeing good results with Thorne's Formula SF722.

I'm taking probiotics and Nutribiotic Defense Plus with GSE and noticed a strong die off effect, too.

I've never heard of SF722, but it sounds interesting. Good luck with fighting the yeast!

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by shafer

I'm not sure if everyone (who's also fighting yeast) has tried this product or not, but I am really seeing good results with Thorne's Formula SF722. I'm horrible with strict diets, but I got this product months ago and started off doing really well on the diet and in those first 2 wks I cleared up some fungal rashes, fingernail infection, bloating went away, etc. I could see myself eliminating the yeast in my bm's. Sorry, I know TMI.

I have been using that for quite a while. In the begining I noticed pretty strong die off from it, but then no real improvement that I can see, just die off. I am currently taking a break from it in hopes that my yeast will forget how to defend itself and I can come at it again.

[Annikate]

This rediculous anti-candida diet has me entirely messed up. Since starting this diet I've been eating two things I never ate before: nuts (yes, out of the cans from the grocery store - not soaked) and a few of those stupid Murray's cookies.

I ate the cookies days ago but I'm still suffering. Do you all think it's the nuts?

BTW, I am giving dd Goji Juice as an anti-fungal. Don't know if it's working or not but she's drinking it. I have an appt. w/our homeopath today so we'll see if this diet has helped her at all. I know it's not helping me.

[sparkletruck]

"Die-off" - what does this mean to you? Many sources say "a flu-like effect", or exacerbation of symptoms. I have had the same result as Pattila (I think) - exacerbation of symptoms that just stay exacerbated ... I wish that were funny.

Annikate - what's the reaction you're having?

[Punchy Kaby]

I had 'die-off' when I first went on the diet and then again when I started the digestive enzymes. It took the form of 'flu-like' symptoms and lasted a couple of days. There were other symptoms that lasted longer, itchy skin and itchy vagina but in hindsight I believe those were a reaction to coconut oil, ingested and topical forms.

Saskiasmom-What symptoms are exacerbated? DId they start with the (anti-candida) diet? How long have you been doing SCD and then how long Bee's anti-candida diet? Have you done the coffee emema that bee suggests? I was thinking of doing this myself

Annikate-I would suspect those nuts would make you not feel good . If I remember correctly they process canned nuts with startches. Were you eating nuts on SCD?

[Panserbjorne]

That's true. I know that we have to avoid canned nuts because of gluten contamination. Elaine also says to avoid them because of the starch coatings.

[Annikate]

Great. That's probably it. :

Theoretically it *could* take 2 weeks or so to show the ill effects in dd right?

I feel so stupid. THings were going so well. I don't know why I let this homeopath talk me into doing this. Both dd and I were healing.
(Of course, it's not her fault that I ate that crap.)

[sparkletruck]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

I had 'die-off' when I first went on the diet and then again when I started the digestive enzymes. It took the form of 'flu-like' symptoms and lasted a couple of days. There were other symptoms that lasted longer, itchy skin and itchy vagina but in hindsight I believe those were a reaction to coconut oil, ingested and topical forms.

Saskiasmom-What symptoms are exacerbated? DId they start with the (anti-candida) diet? How long have you been doing SCD and then how long Bee's anti-candida diet? Have you done the coffee emema that bee suggests? I was thinking of doing this myself

ok, sorry if Im repeating myself. I have been on Bee's diet for 2+mos. I started it with some bloating and a white tongue. The bloating went away day 1, the tongue is the same, and Ive added, at various times, itchy butt, itchy labia, sore throat, feeling of food or pill stuck in my throat, rash on eye that has been so bad that my eyelid is swollen in the morning and at best its dy and flaky and looks like elephant skin, ear pain/itching, headaches. Right now Ive had the pill in my throat and ears for 6 wks. Ive never had any of the above in my life, so its not retracing, per se (from what I undestand of retracing). Im sooooo sick of the pill in my throat!!! And the ears!!! The labia come and go. But nothing is better; not my skin, my energy, my MOOD Oh well. I did have the flu type experience the first 3 days of the diet, but not since. I hope that a year from now I dont feel like I have a pill stuck in my throat, ya know!

[haleyelianasmom]

Originally Posted by saskiasmom

ok, sorry if Im repeating myself. I have been on Bee's diet for 2+mos. I started it with some bloating and a white tongue. The bloating went away day 1, the tongue is the same, and Ive added, at various times, itchy butt, itchy labia, sore throat, feeling of food or pill stuck in my throat, rash on eye that has been so bad that my eyelid is swollen in the morning and at best its dy and flaky and looks like elephant skin, ear pain/itching, headaches. Right now Ive had the pill in my throat and ears for 6 wks. Ive never had any of the above in my life, so its not retracing, per se (from what I undestand of retracing). Im sooooo sick of the pill in my throat!!! And the ears!!! The labia come and go. But nothing is better; not my skin, my energy, my MOOD Oh well. I did have the flu type experience the first 3 days of the diet, but not since. I hope that a year from now I dont feel like I have a pill stuck in my throat, ya know!

What is that pill in your throat feeling? I've had that on and off for the past week or so and I was starting to think it was my thyroid.

Anyone want to tell me what I CAN eat as a dietary vegan trying to eat whole foods and fight candida at the same time? :

[moonshine]

Originally Posted by saskiasmom

rash on eye that has been so bad that my eyelid is swollen in the morning

Does anyone else have this? I have never had this in my life, but have been having it for about a week now. And my eye stays swollen all day on a bad day. Like today. I also have super bad allergies these days, which have been better for years. Not sure what to do about the eyes. Was wondering about a clay concoction of some kind.

[sparkletruck]

The eye thing - you could treat it topiclly and see what the response is. My friend IRL has had rashes on her face (eyes, mouth moslty) for years, and has seen derm after derm who said "cortisone cream", which did nothing. This spring she saw a new one who said "that's a yeast rash, try an antifungal cream". When I told her my situation, she put it together that she is yeast overloaded, however, she found total relief from her rashes from antigungal cream (used once, the rashes have not returned .. although its been only a few weeks). Im not saying yours is yeast, but that your response to treatment could tell you what it is. I put CO on mine, but only at night and it can get in my eye a little and irritate (hence only at night when my eyes are closed), I never wash it, and I use vaseline every day.

Lump in your throat - I read somewhere awhile back that esophogeal candida can cause the feeling of a pill stuck in your throat. Im not positive that's what it is, but considering ... I also wonder about thyroid (er, where is it?), as the lump feeling is just below where my adams apple would be. The curious thing is that the more my ears *hurt*, the more my jaw hurts, the more my *pill* bothers me. There's this throat/ear/jaw axis Im trying to figure out. I suspect/hope that once I clear the yeast, my jaw wont hurt? I got some garlic oil for my ears, so we'll see if that does anything.

[Annikate]

Interesting that you are bringing up the throat thing.

My homeopath told me a few weeks ago that I had a fungus in my tonsils. I thought this was kind of but I had been *ahem-ing* and couging a bit. She said yeast often settles in that area and will cause your glands in that area to swell too.

She suggested I take this product and let dd get it through my b'milk but she warned that my glands will probably swell once I start taking it unless I adhere to a STRICT anti-candida diet.

I'm still researching it and haven't made up my mind one way or another on it. I also have a DAN appt. in a couple of weeks and want to run it by him too before I start.

[Bestbirths]

Annikate, I wouldn't take that stuff. It has Alpha lipoic acid in it, and cilantro which I've heard of people having negative reactions to...

Have you heard of the Andy Cutler method of chelation? The website

They say that ALA is a powerful chelator that pulls mercury out of the brain, and it is taken every three hours according to the half life. So, to just take a supplement with ALA in it, will displace mercury into your body, and cause more harm than help. I don't know if ALA chelation is safe for nursing either.

For the eye thing I use homeopathic Euphrasia. Eyebright compresses if you can find them. Some kind of herbal fennel blend eye wash with eyebright in it works ok.

I don't have a link, but the thing in nuts that bothers some people is called oxalates. There is a low oxalate diet. Then I heard that the fungus in nuts is what bothers some people with yeast issues.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Interesting that you are bringing up the throat thing.

My homeopath told me a few weeks ago that I had a fungus in my tonsils. I thought this was kind of but I had been *ahem-ing* and couging a bit. She said yeast often settles in that area and will cause your glands in that area to swell too.

She suggested I take this product and let dd get it through my b'milk but she warned that my glands will probably swell once I start taking it unless I adhere to a STRICT anti-candida diet.

I'm still researching it and haven't made up my mind one way or another on it. I also have a DAN appt. in a couple of weeks and want to run it by him too before I start.

Aren't you nursing? Can you take a chelator while nursing?