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post #22 of 38
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Originally Posted by Peppermint
For me though, it was enough for me not to use the vaccines (and I know a LOT of fellow pro-lifers who feel the same), so I think it is an effective way to get people to look at the vax issue, I wouldn't have ever believed the rest if it weren't for that opening my eyes to the issue, and I was VERY pro-vax. Let us know how it goes when you present the info to your friend. I'll second the Children of God for Life site
Um, I basically said the same thing. My only point is that people should speak the truth and not exagerate it. For someone who claims to be prolife, the truth should be enough without embellishing it.
post #23 of 38
I'm an idiot, I thought you had a "not" in what I quoted from you, I was surprised .
post #24 of 38
Well, Annettemarie, it depends on what you mean by body parts. Naked DNA is a body part as far as I am concerned, and its there in the Varivax vaccine and they admit it here:

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“…The nearly 2 mg of unmodified mammalian DNA in each dose of Varivax exceeds that present in any other approved childhood vaccine…”.J Pediatrics 1995;127:518-25
So Varivax has a higher level of unmodified HUMAN DNA in it than other vaccines. So what's the level in other vaccines?

Furthermore, the same ref above showed that some of those cell lines have chromosome defects...

Quote:
“…generally accepted upper limits for chromosomal abnormalities. A clonal 7;12 chromosomal translocation in the MRC-5 cells used to produce some lots of Varivax exceeded these limits for structural abnormalities. To evaluate the theoretical concerns raised by this observation Merck undertook a comprehensive assessment of MRC-5 (aborted foetal) cells to document that they were not tumorigenic. MRC-5 cells from the cell banks used to produce vaccine
(1)did not produce tumours when injected into nude mice
(2)reached senescence normally, and
(3)did not exhibit a malignant phenotype.

Moreover, cells bearing the 7;12 translocation did not proliferate preferentially during the lifetime of the cell line in comparison with MRC-5 cells lacking the translocation. No human disease associated with abnormalities involving a 7;12 translocation has been reported. Outside experts concurred with the FDA’s assessment that the risk of MRC-5 DNA’s inducing a malignant transformation in vaccinees under the condition of vaccination was exceedingly low...”
Do they do these rigorous tests all the time?

When they make the next culture medium and grow the next lot of medium from aborted cells do they test to see if yet another chromosome abnormality has appeared?

And if this DNA going into babies is unmodified, what is the potential for the future?

As far as I am concerned unmodified DNA comes from a body part. I don't much care which one, as any part is as bad as another.
post #25 of 38
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concerns raised by this observation Merck undertook a comprehensive assessment of MRC-5 (aborted foetal) cells to document that they were not tumorigenic.
this part scares me, so they dont cause cancer.....but what else could that DNA abnormailty cause in someone? But I also have the same concerns with GM food.
post #26 of 38
Gross! *I* don't want dead baby parts in my kids either.
Or aluminum, or formaldahyde or monkey kidney cells or anything else in those things. YUCK.
post #27 of 38
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Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital
Gross! *I* don't want dead baby parts in my kids either.
Or aluminum, or formaldahyde or monkey kidney cells or anything else in those things. YUCK.
the scariest thing for me, was the antifreeze!
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital
Gross! *I* don't want dead baby parts in my kids either. Or aluminum, or formaldahyde or monkey kidney cells or anything else in those things. YUCK.



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Originally Posted by romans_mum
As for vaxes using aborted fetal cells, I dont care if it was 30yrs ago or 30 days ago, I don't want it injected into my child, along with bovine cells, chicken embryos and monkey cells.
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post #29 of 38
Hello ladies,

I'm new here. My name is Stephanie and I'm a Tree huggin Crunchy mama!

Anywho I have 2 kids ages 5 and 3 months. I went top my babies doc. appt. today. This was a new doctor and I was excited to meet her. Long story short once I said I dont vaccinate and explained my reasons she mocked me and then laughed! She said shes sick of ppl searching websites and getting false nfo. on vaccines. We argued about the aborted fetal tissue and this woman SWORE up and down that thats a lie and they are not in vaccines. I got stumpped and had nothing to back that up. It was really frustrating. Her word against mine! I did win when she said theres no formeldhyde in the dtap. I showed her the pamplet from the makers and it was listed in the ingredients. She was a rude Bit$%. aND said she feels sorry for my kids and parents make these bad bad decisions like me....

i Just had to vent and next time I need some good come backs!
post #30 of 38
I think it's time to find a new doctor!
post #31 of 38
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakra
Hello ladies,

I'm new here. My name is Stephanie and I'm a Tree huggin Crunchy mama!

Anywho I have 2 kids ages 5 and 3 months. I went top my babies doc. appt. today. This was a new doctor and I was excited to meet her. Long story short once I said I dont vaccinate and explained my reasons she mocked me and then laughed! She said shes sick of ppl searching websites and getting false nfo. on vaccines. We argued about the aborted fetal tissue and this woman SWORE up and down that thats a lie and they are not in vaccines. I got stumpped and had nothing to back that up. It was really frustrating. Her word against mine! I did win when she said theres no formeldhyde in the dtap. I showed her the pamplet from the makers and it was listed in the ingredients. She was a rude Bit$%. aND said she feels sorry for my kids and parents make these bad bad decisions like me....

i Just had to vent and next time I need some good come backs!
i hope you will find a new dr. FPs are more favorable toward ppl like us!
and i would report her!
post #32 of 38
Chakra, I had practically the same situation a couple of years ago, luckily for me another Dr. in the practice is pro-life and was a friend of mine, so she told her that it was true, explained the "human diploid cells" etc. I ended up leaving the practice anyway because I got tired of defending myself and my decisions, and I didn't want a Dr. who had no respect for me to be the one I would see in an emergency, ykwim? We now have a family Dr. who is really understanding of my stance and respects my choice (wether or not he agrees, we don't really discuss it).

I hope you can find a new Dr.
post #33 of 38
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Originally Posted by boongirl
Well, I hope neither one of you ever get parkinsons disease.
What does that have to do with vaccinating and aborted fetal tissues???
post #34 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakra
Hello ladies,

I'm new here. My name is Stephanie and I'm a Tree huggin Crunchy mama!

Anywho I have 2 kids ages 5 and 3 months. I went top my babies doc. appt. today. This was a new doctor and I was excited to meet her. Long story short once I said I dont vaccinate and explained my reasons she mocked me and then laughed! She said shes sick of ppl searching websites and getting false nfo. on vaccines. We argued about the aborted fetal tissue and this woman SWORE up and down that thats a lie and they are not in vaccines. I got stumpped and had nothing to back that up. It was really frustrating. Her word against mine! I did win when she said theres no formeldhyde in the dtap. I showed her the pamplet from the makers and it was listed in the ingredients. She was a rude Bit$%. aND said she feels sorry for my kids and parents make these bad bad decisions like me....

i Just had to vent and next time I need some good come backs!
As I said in an eariler post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsfatty
The fetal cell lines that are in use currently (for approved vaccines and that are used for vaccines that are in clinical trials) are as follows:
MRC-5 (used in Varivax, Vaqta, Havrix, Twinrix, ProQuad, Poliovax, Imovax, Zostavax, Acambis 1000)
RA273 (used in MMR II, MR VAX, Biavax II, Meruvax II, ProQuad)
WI-38 (used in Varivax, MMR II, MR VAX, Biavax II, Meruvax II, ProQuad, Zostavax)
PER C6 (used in an Ebola vaccine that is in development, used in a flu vaccine that is in development, used in an avian flu vaccine that is in development, used in a HIV vaccine that is in development)
HEK 293 (used in Xigris, used in a flu vaccine that is in development, used in an avian flu vaccine that is in development)
WI-26 (used in Enbrel)
VA4 (used in Enbrel)
I'll post the vaccine package inserts...and their wording...(just so you know, typically, the aborted fetal tissue labeling is on the first two pages...sometimes in the first couple paragraphs...

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...varivax_pi.pdf (Varivax vaccine package insert: by Merck)
first page, first paragraph
Quote:
VARIVAX* [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Oka/Merck)] is a preparation of the Oka/Merck strain of live, attenuated varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, then introduced into human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures and finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures (WI-38). Further passage of the virus for varicella vaccine was performed at Merck Research Laboratories (MRL) in human diploid cell cultures
(MRC-5) that were free of adventitious agents. This live, attenuated varicella vaccine is a lyophilized preparation containing sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin as stabilizers.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...a/vaqta_pi.pdf (VAQTA package insert: by Merck)
first paragraph, first sentence
Quote:
VAQTA* [Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated] is an inactivated whole virus vaccine derived from hepatitis A virus (HAV) grown in cell culture in human MRC-5 diploid fibroblasts.
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_havrix.pdf (HAVRIX package insert: by GSK)
first paragraph, first sentence
Quote:
HAVRIX (Hepatitis A Vaccine, Inactivated) is a noninfectious hepatitis A vaccine developed and manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals. The virus (strain HM175) is propagated in MRC-5 human diploid cells. After removal of the cell culture medium, the cells are lysed to form a suspension. This suspension is purified through ultrafiltration and gel permeation chromatography procedures.
ETC.

I dont' have time to go through each insert right now...but here are the links to the package inserts that I have :


Polio:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_pediarix.pdf (PEDIARIZ vaccine package insert: by GSK)
http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/..._4305_4308.pdf (IPOL vaccine package insert: by Aventis Pasteur)

Measles, Mumps, Rubella:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...tenuvax_pi.pdf (ATTENUVAX, Measles only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...umpsvax_pi.pdf (MUMPSVAX, Mumps only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...uvax_ii_pi.pdf (MERUVAX, Rubella only: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_.../mmr_ii_pi.pdf (MMRII vaccine package insert: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...proquad_pi.pdf (PROQUAD vaccine package insert: by Merck--MMRV)

Hepatitis A:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...a/vaqta_pi.pdf (VAQTA package insert: by Merck)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_havrix.pdf (HAVRIX package insert: by GSK)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_twinrix.pdf (TWINRIX vaccine package insert: by GSK)
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_twinrix.pdf (TWINRIX vaccine package insert: by GSK)--Hep. B included

Chickenpox:
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...varivax_pi.pdf (Varivax vaccine package insert: by Merck)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...proquad_pi.pdf (PROQUAD vaccine package insert: by Merck--MMRV)
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ostavax_pi.pdf (ZOSTAVAX vaccine package insert: by Merck)

Best wishes!
post #35 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsfatty
What does that have to do with vaccinating and aborted fetal tissues???
Nothing. I interpretted it as a flicking the bird at us regressive neanderthals.
post #36 of 38
Did that help? Has the OP question been answered??? Just checking in to make sure OP doesn't want more info...
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post #38 of 38
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Originally Posted by romans_mum
I agree MT.....the parkinsons reference is a (IMO) stupid arguement, because even if I did get parkisons, i wouldnt treat it with anything made from stem cells, But i'm not going to get into an abortion debate on the vax forum, this isnt the place for that type of discussion.

As for vaxes using aborted fetal cells, I dont care if it was 30yrs ago or 30 days ago, I don't want it injected into my child, along with bovine cells, chicken embryos and monkey cells.
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