David Cornell, MD? - Page 2

[DocsNemesis]

Yeah, I agree that the pics are not very professional. They make me cringe too...I just dont get how they see their scarred penis as being nicer looking than the intact one and a lot of those circ's are very tight. But they are adults, making the decision for themselves, so....its just sad that our society has convinced these intact men that there is something wrong with their penis and that the scarred penis is better somehow.

[enstar780]

If he is doing circumcisions on adults, who are fully informed and consenting, and he isnt trying to make it appear that routine circumcision is medically necessary, then i think this makes him less evil than those who circumcise infants. I suppose, that if an adult decided they want to circumcise themselves as an adult, and they are properly informed that it is usually totally unnecessary, and they are not being coerced, thats their own choice, and they can go right ahead. I am 100% opposed to do doing it to infants or children however. The doctors who genitally mutilate children are true paedophile monsters of our society, and which I find to be deeply disturbing. They are paedophiles of the worse sort, serial sexual mutilators. They probably love making the infant children suffer and stealing their sexuality from them for their rest of their lives.

[Yaliina]

Originally Posted by TigerTail

A little OT, since I'm interested in the subject anyway, and used to be into the scene before it got all mainstream- Body Mods. How much is it ethical for a Dr to perform? Anything? Anything at all a person wants?

I'm not saying one hasn't a right to do it, but how much should the medical profession be expected to assist & legitimize something less cosmetic & more say, actually harmful? One might draw the line at amputations, one might say circs are right up there. Is anything still compatible with life a thumb's up?

Because most pro piercers (for an example) won't do something they consider harmful, say, like a corset piercing.

What IS the medical profession's responsibility to educate, inform, & refuse to perform harmful procedures- no matter who (or their parents *cough*) requests it?

I guess it's not really that OT.

That's an interesting thought, TT. And one that deserves a lot of consideration, I think. I certainly don't know the answer. My initial reaction is to say that pretty much anything non-vital is up for grabs if the individual is sane & legal. Of course, who would say that someone who wants to chop off a limb is sane? Where do you draw the line with parental consent? It's definately something to think about.

[TigerTail]

I think- and it is a provoking topic for thought- that if most Dr's who circumcise considered it as they would consider an amputation (and who's to say the amputation fetish subgroup is necessarily less 'sane' than the circ fetish subgroup?); that is, drastic, life-changing & not to be entered into without long-term counseling at the very least- I would feel less ooky about this 'specialty'. Putting it into the class of dermabrasion or a brow-lift, as a casual cosmetic 'fix', discomfits me.

[pigpokey]

If he's only doing adult circ's, I would think that in and of itself would not be objectionable unless his informed consent was not very good and he was not presenting alternative treatments where they exist.

One of my thoughts is that if adult circumcizers are not around, as a practical matter it blows the argument to parents that they should wait until their son is old enough to consent.

[TigerTail]

Mmm, I think there will always be urologists who can tackle the job when truly necessary. Does the average brain surgeon need to practice on people without tumors to stay in the game?

Let the urologists circ cadavers (8 days after death. heh heh) like every other surgeon with a high risk specialty. It's absurd to suggest that to try and cut down unnecessary adult circ rates with education will somehow increase neonate circs, because their excuse to put if off will be gone. A straw man if I ever saw one.

Dude gets cancer of the penis (or is a phimotic elderly diabetic), I HIGHLY doubt he will have trouble finding a willing & able surgeon to cut it off.

There are ways to present alternative treatments, & there are ways. I don't get the impression Cornell is trying very hard to find his patients alternatives.

[Past_VNE]

One of the problems I see with this guy is that he circumcises men for:

: For what reasons do you perform circumcisions?

A: The most common reasons for which I perform circumcisions are:

· Cosmetic appearance
· Phimosis (tight foreskin)
· Paraphimosis (inability to pull the retracted foreskin back over the glans)
· Balanitis and balanoposthitis (inflammation of glans and glans and foreskin)
· Frenulum breve (short frenulum which tears with intercourse)
· Diseases of the foreskin, including cancer

All but the first and last reasons are bogus and could be solved by less extreme measures. Anyone circumcising people for those reasons is either lying or miseducated. Anyone being circumcised for those reasons cannot fall under informed consent.

[Elyra]

Originally Posted by Nathan1097

Circ fetishists do this. I have a picture somewhere that was labeled "7th circ". It looks like a blood stump of a mess.

uh, wow. Ummm...wow. I didn't realize that there was a circ fetish.

[Nathan1097]

Originally Posted by KnitLady

Interesting that you are asking about him. I ran across his "other" website just the other day.

http://www.circumcisioncenter.com/

I'm ashamed to share the city with him. At least he's circ'ing adults though...(I didn't see anything about infants on his page)

ETA: I'm confused...I just went to the site again and it shows some before and after pictures. Patient #9 restored and then got the restoration circ'd! WHY?!

Ok, I just looked at this site. Those pix are just like on circlist! There are no 'before" pix either- just "after"s.

[Lula's Mom]

You have to go down a few before you get to the ones that have both a before and after. I understand why you stopped before you got that far. Blech.

Yes, at least he is doing this for consenting adults. But I felt really sad when I was reading the Patient Comments. The patients detailed how tight their new circumcisions were, how there was no longer any undesirable "play" in the skin when erect, how it was more sensitive without the frenulum (!), how the glans is now completely exposed, etc. It made me feel like they are very messed up people, to want to have a beautiful, functional part of their bodies amputated. They were so happy every last centimeter of foreskin was gone! I felt sorry for them, like I would for those people who have the disorder that makes them want a leg removed, for example.

[paminmi]

Originally Posted by minkajane

Did anyone else notice that in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the after pictures. the circ is so tight that the scrotal skin is drawn forward onto the shaft? You can see that it wasn't like that in the before pictures. Is that common with the sleeve method? Or is it just this guy's style to take off as much as possible?

ITA. What is it with some men wanting it "tight"?? On one guy (#5 in the outcome images section) it looks like he has penoscrotal webbing after his circumcision. Remember the guy married to the Asian woman on Dr 90210? Dr Alter did his repair. Here's his site on this problem:

http://www.altermd.com/Penis%20Enhan...al_webbing.htm



Logically, I understand that it's an adult man making his own decisions about his body. I just can't help but be totally nauseated when I look at those pictures...

:Puke

[DocsNemesis]

Yeah, like I have said before, it is just sad that these men are so upset with the way their penis looks. That first guy said "my erections are stronger and harder than ever." Um, does he not understand that foreskin does not cause your penis to not get as erect?!? It might look harder or something, but it isnt. And the 65 year old who feels great with a viagra-ya know, if you werent circ'd to begin with you may not even need that viagra!
I find the comment about having more sensitivity without the frenulum VERY odd. Even my dh, who is circ'd but is lucky enough to still have his frenulum, says that is the most sensitive part of his penis. He said without it, sex would be impossible (its bad enough as it is, he has so little senstation).
You know, this may seem nutty, but a lot of his feedback seem to have very similar wording. Seriously, if you read a bunch, you might notice it too. Like about how they didnt need any of the pain meds or inhalents he prescribed, how they wish they hadnt waited and been so worried....I cant think of anything else but it just seems odd to me. Maybe he has some sort of form that says what he wants to know. Oh, and you notice that not one of those is a negative comment. I mean, I can understand that these guys are probably very sure that they want it done, but I cant imagine that NONE of these guys had any regrets. I'm just saying....