Grrr, why do people think it's pain free? - Page 2

[baybee]

<<One of my clients told me that she had no regrets about circumcising because it's possible to restore it later in life if he wants.>> Can't remember what actually was said. It was part of a heated discussion on an email list when I started really pressing to have changes made in my prov. I love this woman and she is incredibly smart and a very caring mom. It was a religious circ and so I think she's doing her best to deal with something that, in her heart, she didn't want to do. It has created a rift between us.
Baybee

[SkyDweller]

No-Circ Hero

Originally Posted by baybee

Even if it was possible to make the surgery itself pain free, the painful erections, painful intercourse and painful restoration process that thousands of men endure have to be factored into this needless, irreversible, and mutilating surgery.

One of my clients told me that she had no regrets about circumcising because it's possible to restore it later in life if he wants. I think any mother who has that idea should spend a month reading the posts on the restore list about what it's like to try to stretch skin to cover the glans. The nerve endings and blood supply are gone forever, of course. There are many other hidden pains from circumcision e.g. broken marriages, violence, emotional costs, insecurities, failed breastfeeding, etc.

Circumcision is a pain that keeps on giving and giving.
Baybee

Baybee, the more I read of your posts, the more I appreciate your advocacy here for helpless newborns. This past week I connected with two couples who both were going to circ their boys, but decided not to after we talked.

But nobody talked with my parents. And sometimes reading posts I want to jump in and vent--and in a strange way, reading what you wrote above, I don't feel the same intensity and need to jump in--because by what you write you obviously understand at some level the frustration, the anger, the bewilderment, and the sense of loss. Thank-you for your intelligent, intentional attack on the fallacy of circumcision.

[baybee]

Thank you very much for your acknowledgement of my advocacy. If you read carefully, you will see that my communication is not one of attack ever. It is a firm stand which is a very different thing. We live in a world of attack. We are wired, as surviving humans, to attack as our first reaction. I am the same way. Ending circumcision is my spiritual path to trancending my attack reflex and coming back to my stand. You can not end violence with more violence (even tho the violence is thought or word, it is still more violence in the world). We also can not be silent. We can be bold, firm, true and speak with integrity from a foundation of truth. We have nothing to fear and everything to look forward to as our vision of a gentle welcome to the world for all children is realized.

Please join me in my stand. Foreskins for Keeps---an idea whose time has come. The end of circumcision by Jan 1, 2007. That statement keeps me from running off in all directions. It guides my actions and has me recognize opportunities for effective action that might escape my notice if I was indulging in my rage and anger.

Got to go now because we're having a strategy meeting here in Vancouver this afternoon to lay out the game plan for the next 4 mos to get rid of genital mutilation in the prov of BC by Jan 1, 2007. The clock is ticking.
Baybee

[baybee]

Here's a link to an article where the deputy registrar of the College of Physicians & Surgeons of B.C. says that circ is painful:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...899?hub=Canada

[SkyDweller]

Attack!

Thank you very much for your acknowledgement of my advocacy. If you read carefully, you will see that my communication is not one of attack ever.

You're right--and that's another thing I've appreciated--and I've seen people 'flamed' here at MDC that could have become advocates as well if only they had been treated well. Fortunately it's been a long time. And no, from what I"ve seen of what you write, no, you don't.

I actually wrote 'attack' and that tried to think of another word that didn't have a perjorative meaning, but had late-night-brain-fog.

Marlan

[Suprakid1982]

Originally Posted by Cherries10700

Ahhh! Good thinking.

I need to step away from these women lmao! They are saying Circ is not cosmetic, it's for medical reasons... I'm going in circles...

riiiiight? then you should ask them WHAT medical purposes are those?

then watch the blank faces come alive!!!

[party_of_seven]

MY MIL absolutely insisted that the plastibell method(the method used on my dh) involved NO cutting and therefore was not painful. I finally got her to watch a video to prove that wasn't true.

I think that it boils down to saving yourself from being a monster. If you knowingly submit your child to a horrifyingly painful procedure all in the name of cosmetics you are a monster. If you can manage to fool yourself into believing that there is no pain involved then you aren't.