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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have read a lot on another board about moms who have had their son's circed and then talk about having to constantly pull (whats left?) of teh foreksin back to make sure it doesn't re-adhere. Some complain that it seems like "not enough skin was taken off" and that "when they pull it back the tip comes out and then goes right back in."

Does this constant pulling back hurt the child?
post #2 of 19
One might assume. (I would feel really weird 'messing around' wth my child's genitals that much. And they think we are the weirdos.)

Funny, mine get clean in a bath with a washcloth. Oh, what a hassle.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I wanted to point out the constant pulling on their sons' genitals, but I figured that would get me in trouble . But I couldn't help but think "ouch"...like...they are repeatedly hurting their child in an attempt to mold the penis into how they think it should look.

It's like something beyond the horror of circumcision...like circumcision plus added torture...
post #4 of 19
A friend of mine's neighbor is having issues like this with her 2 1/2 year old. His penis in adhered (I really don't know the terms here, sry) and they told her to retract the skin often... well it takes an army to hold him down and he SCREAMS. So I imagine it hurts... :
Poor boys!
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
The more I sit here thinking of this, the more I want to :Puke

I mean, these women are tlaking about doing it daily (and one of the children is 2 months old)...2 months of that? I mean...when does that become some kind of abuse? That child's first experiences with their genitals is people tearing off and piece and then their own parents repeatedly pulling and forcing skin back.

I can't wrap my mind around this.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by sandals

That child's first experiences with their genitals is people tearing off and piece and then their own parents repeatedly pulling and forcing skin back.

I can't wrap my mind around this.
I agree. My friend's neighbor's 2 1/2 year old could remember this forever! I remember random stuff from when I was 2... and this is tramatic so it will surely stick in his memory!
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
From the responses I have read concerning this, it almost seems like they have completely detached themselves from the situation, almost like it's robotic. "I have to pull it back everyday so that it still looks circed" was one quote.

I could only imagine what a 2.5 yr old would be thinking and feeling during this
post #8 of 19
What the boys are suffering from is adhesions which is 70% side effect of circumcision in reality they should 'treat' even the circumcision adhesions as in leave it alone 'material because all the leftover foreskin (possibly from a loose circ is just self healing itself at least trying too.

I think it's pretty abusive to parents to be continously doing that to boys especially one of the above said to make sure he has more of a circed look .

I just don't know how 'parents can't see that would be even torture to there son which is only half the worse as circumcision because circumcision is much more painful than pulling back foreskin .

Pain belief of no pain but a nearly 2 n half years of being in pain depending on diaper changes maybe six to eight diaper changes pain. 7 days a week which would mean 56 x of pulling back the leftover foreskin in one whole week which will equal to 224 pulling back the leftover foreskin in a month which will mean in one year estimate of pulling back is 2688 that is almost like ripping a labia open and try so hard to clean in between there when it's still fused .

I shiver for those 'boys' and the ones that get circumcised. Plus boys who likely have adhesions are more likely to have parents get talked into 'recircing'
post #9 of 19
The more I hear about circ, the more I , the more I feel like :Puke and the more I want to : :
post #10 of 19
There's no doubt it's sexual abuse.
Baybee
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Cherries10700
I agree. My friend's neighbor's 2 1/2 year old could remember this forever! I remember random stuff from when I was 2... and this is traumatic so it will surely stick in his memory!
I can certainly vouch for this. I was circumcised at birth in a different state than where my parents lived. (long story off topic). Our family doctor told my mother that the circumciser "didn't take enough off". Meaning i almost looked "uncircumcised". He told her she would need to pull the skin back to separate adhesions. This of course caused bleeding and eventually infections, which were blamed by the doctor on "too much skin being left" and not the fact that i had open wounds on my penis. At some point the infection got so bad my parents where worried i would loose my penis. Luckily i didn't. At about 3 or 4 i can remember (one of my first memories) being told by my mother to "pull the skin back and separate it. I can remember watching it roll back and tear away from the corona and bleed. Even at that age i knew something was really wrong about what my mother was telling me, why she, a 20 year old mother didn't question it is beyond me. So fast forward to me in puberty at about 16 years old or so. Now because of puberty my penis had grown much larger and now my penis skin, which WAS "too much", was now not enough to allow for erections without pain. I knew something was wrong. Soon after i found out what circumcision was and what it did to me, soon after i discovered foreskin restoration and began fixing what was done to me.
So is it wrong to circumcise infants for no reason? yes
is it wrong to pull apart adhesions over and over until the child is 4? yes
does it hurt? Yes
can children remember having adhesions separated? its certainly possible
are erections painful when circumcision takes the skin required to have an erection. Heck yeah
is it disgusting that a parent would be disappointed that unnecessary cosmetic surgery on their own infant didn't take enough skin off so it would please them visually? i think so
Do i wish i didn't have to ask these questions anymore? yes yes yes

finally I would like to say that the medical people are just as responsible for this as the parents. The medical people are the ones who do the circumcision, push circumcision, and tell the parents to forcibly separate adhesions.
post #12 of 19
I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's no wonder that sex = violence so often in this country.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by sandals
The more I sit here thinking of this, the more I want to :Puke
welcome to my world. it just keeps getting worse.

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Originally Posted by sandals
I mean...when does that become some kind of abuse?
"Hi, we're here to take him for his circumcision...sign here."
post #14 of 19
Ouchies! I KNOW I remember things from when I was 2....something as painful as that would certainly stick out it my mind. Sadly some of these boys are going to grow up and rather then say that their boys shouldnt be circ'd, they are going to assume the foreskin was causing the problem and have their boys circ'd tight. :
You are totally right, this isnt just the parents fault. A lot of fault over this falls on the doctors telling them to do this....although I am sure at least some of them are simply following family advice or doing what they think is right.
post #15 of 19
Eeek! People really pull on their child's genitals like that??? I had DS circ'd : (yes, I regret it) and NEVER did anything like that. I've never touched it except for diaper changes/baths.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by AXEius
is it disgusting that a parent would be disappointed that unnecessary cosmetic surgery on their own infant didn't take enough skin off so it would please them visually? i think so
All those poor, sweet, innocent babies.

~Nay
post #17 of 19
I wish people would just get a clue & quit mutilating their little boys! How depressing!
post #18 of 19
I think it is sick that parents are manipulating their son's penis so much. What if we were constantly digging inside a little baby's vagina? That would be considered sexual abuse! Why is it okay to "play" with little boys and no one sees it as sexual abuse. And cutting it? It's akin to rape, in my mind. It never ceases to sicken me.
post #19 of 19
And even more to be sad about, the whole advice to pull back is unnecessary. After the circumcision 'heals' adhesions are supposed to be left alone, even according to the AAP.

So more bad penis advise from the American medical establishment- who also never seem to tell parents that adhesions are a possible complication over 70% of the time.

Jessica
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