HELP!!! I'm about to loose it - vent warning!!

[Fyrestorm]

This is kinda a vent...

I am so sick and tired of of having to say the same things over and over again!!
Why are people so thick sometimes?
How can they not possibly see how cruel and disgusting this is?
Why do they feel they have the right to consent to penile reduction surgery on their helpless babes?
How can they read and see this information and still think it's okay?
Why do people think this is none of my business?
How can a mother think it's funny that they had to use the largest clamp on her baby cause he was "hung like a horse" and she is "so proud"
Why can't these people be stopped?
Why can't these butchers (I mean doctors) be stopped?
How is this legal?
Why are these mothers and fathers so shallow that they think that a mutilated penis is "CUTER"?
Why do they care what thier babies penis looks like?


Okay...I think that's it for now...Does anyone have any answers? I feel like I'm gonna cry!!!

[smeep]

I know EXACTLY how you feel! You just learn to separate yourself from it as often as you can and do what you can to inform people.

I babysit a circ'd 18 month old and it breaks my heart every time I change his diaper. His mother is a WONDERFUL mother and I don't know if she was uninformed or simply someone who doesn't think it's a big deal, I just don't agree with it.

I'm thankful every single day that I figured this out before I did it to my son. If I didn't have a family of non-circers (my brothers were left intact but they died before I was born and there haven't been any boys since so it's not a common topic in our family) I probably would have done it out of ignorance. I'm so glad my dad told me not to do it, then my older sister and then I decided to look into it. Just be glad you won't make that mistake now (even if you have in the past). With more women standing up against mutilating our children, the closer we will get to that MGM bill.

[Fyrestorm]

I only have a DD...my first and last. So it was never even a option for me...not that it would have mattered.

I became an intactivist the day my brother found out he and his wife were expecting 12 years ago and my mother started praying for a boy so she could plan a bris.

Fortunately that one was a girl, the next 2 were boys, so my mom got her dang party...(I might have been able to dredge up an ounce or two of compassion if anyone in my family had even so much as stepped foot in a temple in the previous 20 years But I refused to go...I had never even thought about it before, I just knew it was wrong. That's when I started researching and saw it for what it really is...

That's what has me so confused, angry and sad...I looked into it and learned and thought...By all that is holy how can anyone do this to another human being. How can no one else see this?

[KrystalC]

I couldn't agree more. I've recently been accused of trying to "make women feel guilty" due to spreading the word across the internet. If they're really feeling guilty about it, perhaps they should have thought about it BEFORE they consented to having their son's body mutilated with no thoughts or consideration for HIS wants or HIS rights! However, I hang on to a shred of hope that by reading the information I have presented to them, they'll make a different decision for the next son or even encourage expectant parents to decide against circumcision.

I'll never understand how people can see all of the information out there, know it's not medically necessary, know the child will later on have the option of having it done if HE wants it, and do it anyway. It makes me so sad!!!!

I'm sorry I don't have any answers for you with regard to all of this. All I know is that we have to do the best we can to fight against the injustice and educate those who would be willing to make a different decision when presented with the facts!

[KnitLady]

How can a mother think it's funny that they had to use the largest clamp on her baby cause he was "hung like a horse" and she is "so proud"

:Puke Sounds like someone is overly concerned about the APPEARANCE of her son's penis. Oh wait, that's the whole point of circ, to make it "cuter" :

[Fyrestorm]

Thanks to those of you who have replied so far...sometimes I feel like I am spitting in an ocean. KWIM?

I just get so frustrated sometimes that I just have to cry and it sort of drives my DH CRAZY!! He's incredibly supportive of anything I do, but he can't understand why I can't just let this go....I'm not sure I understand either...

It's nice to see that I'm not alone out here!!

[Ivan's Mom]

Fyrestorm you are not alone in your feelings. I sometimes feel like I am obsessed about it. I see babies and the first thing I think is, "Did they circ that poor baby?" And I cannot rest until I know the answer. If it is "No" I am so happy. If it is "yes" I wonder how that child can smile and laugh and not hate their mother and father.

That may seem extreme but I really feel so sorry for children that have to endure circ, CIO, or any such abuse. How do they smile? :

After seeing the Penn and Teller video and watching those poor babies I just cried. I hated all the people involved in the circ process. I went upstairs to bed with my perfect baby and my sweet husband. I cried for my husband. He was circ'd, beaten as a child in the name of religion and humiliated in the name of religion. I feel so desperate thinking about it. My sweet sweet husband.

[gypsycat]

My Husband is circ'd my DS thanks to this forum is not. Thank you thank you.
The other day I walked in to a restroom where a mother was changing a brandnew circ'd baby and nearly started crying The tip was so red and bloody. I think I stood staring a minute to long because the mother gave me a funny look. I think my son (6mons) was staring at it too. I just hugged my son a little tighter and whisper to him how much I loved him. And once again thanked everything that lead me to not circ.
I just do not understand how people can do this to their children.:

[Attached Mama]

it's maddening i know! sick sick sick!! my sis 2 boys are circ and it makes me feel so sad. she had her kids b4 me nad i knew nothing of it. she was a nurse so i'm sure she bought allthe docs lies. i feel so sad for my nephews.

i got some pamphlets i hand out to peole if i can but last person i tried didn't even want to read it and just spouted off all the doc and nurses said about how it didn't hurt at all cause theyd ont' feel pain at that age and besides he had a binky w sugar just in case. i think some people are in denial 'cause they couldn't face that htey hurt their baby. plus their dh/dp are that way so they think its ok

[DocsNemesis]

You know what? If these mothers are feeling guilty because of what you said GOOD! Maybe they will learn, like so many other parents on here! I know that those of you who realised after the fact that maybe you shouldnt have gotten your ds circ'd, you feel horrible about it, but isnt it better that you feel guilt than to have subjected more of your boys to it? And now you can help educate other people!
I seriously do NOT feel any guilt anymore about making others feel guilty, or squeamish, or whatever! I have to say that if I had seen that poor little baby being changed, I probably would have asked what was wrong with him. And when she said oh, he was just circumcised, I would have said EW!! Why would you do THAT? I know it seems mean, but I dont think a lot of parents will question it, no matter how much info they get, until someone IRL makes a comment like that. I know this has been the case for several people I know-hearing me say omg, what is wrong with your sons penis? It makes them think, hmmmm, maybe there IS something wrong with this. And if not, if they are that secure in their decision, good for them. Maybe their sons will remember my (or my kids) reaction and think about it themselves as they get older.

[Suprakid1982]

what in their right mind makes them think either one is cuter?!!

why would you subject your already cute son to something so horrid

[LadyMarmalade]

I agree - newborn babies are cute, no matter what. Actually, it just made me think of a good poll.

Check it out ......

[kxsiven]

Brainwashing in action for 100 years - what else can you expect. If these parents admitted that there is something wrong with practise of circumcision they would have to go through all the hurt that was caused to them by their own parents.

Still my favourite;

"Social reformers are never, ever liked. They are always unpopular because they are always confronting a culture that doesn't want to know more about injustice for which they bear some responsibility." -Gregg Cunningham, Esq. Executive Director for The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform

[phatchristy]

It defies all logic doesn't it? I am always trying to wrap my brain around the fact that it is still legal in this country. : A country which supposedly would have others believe that human rights were at the center of our nations philosophy : .

I get super frustrated some days!

[alisonsvw]

i know the feeling.

My DS isnt circumcised. I was never really "informed" i just thought about the pain..its unnessasary. anytime anyone would question me Id say give me a reason why I SHOULD. they would come up with wivestales etc and I would laugh ..and say whatever.
SO the point of me writing the was to say that I work in a portrait studio..and a few weeks ago a mom came in with her new baby boy who was about 2 months, she asked if she could change his diaper, i said of course and directed her to a spot, I stood by her chatting and I looked down and saw his recently circumcised penis....they were really dark african american, and his penis had this 'ring" around it about a 1/2 in thick that reminded me of raw hamburg to be honest. I made this noise like when someone removes a bandage to show you a horrible wound...I walked away.
ugh some people make me sick

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by phatchristy

It defies all logic doesn't it? I am always trying to wrap my brain around the fact that it is still legal in this country. : A country which supposedly would have others believe that human rights were at the center of our nations philosophy : .

I get super frustrated some days!

That's one of the things that completely defies logic for me....It meets every legal definition of child abuse and sexual abuse...how come it's not bieng prosecuted?