breech baby that won't turn? - Page 2

[maxmama]

Originally Posted by amjs

i'll be thinking of you two on wednesday and hoping for a successful turn!

Thanks -- I have a good shot at it, with a small baby, lots of fluid and a big ol' multip uterus. The OB I really wanted to do the version jsut retired, which is the only thing that's bumming me out right now (he was about 800 years old and had incredible hand skills -- both for versions and for births).

[amjs]

Originally Posted by Cutie Patootie

Please do not put any weight...no pun intended ...on your babies estimated weight.

any idea on the general consensus on weight estimate by palpitation?

Originally Posted by Cutie Patootie

Have you looked into the Bagnell technique?

i had not heard of this one. i'm going to take the info to my chiropractor and see if she will give it a shot. thanks!

[erin_brycesmom]

sure have, but i only needed adjustments the first two times and she said i wasn't very tight in either place. the next two times i went she said i didn't need the adjustment...i'm going back to be checked again but i don't know if she feels there's much she can do for me at this point.

hmm, doesn't sound like she knows what she is doing. The adjustment to your spine has nothing to do with being tight. Is she talking about the ligaments? Seems like she would still do the spinal adjustments. I only ever had ligament tightness on one side but stretching that wasn't something necessary to perform Webster. It is my understanding that the spinal adjustment is the main deal. I would see a different chiro. I personally called every certified chiro within an hour+ from me and discussed their work with them and ended up driving past the ones close to me (I have one webster chiro literally 1 minute from my house) and drove an hour through a busy often conjested tunnel to go to a chiro who had the most knowledge, experience and the highest personal success rate.

[erin_brycesmom]

any idea on the general consensus on weight estimate by palpitation?

I was reading an article about this recently, I'll see if I can dig it up. Purely anecdotal but my first was estimated by palpitation the day before I gave birth and they were 2 lbs off. Not to scare you but it was in the opposite direction, lol.

[OnTheFence]

I believe babies are breech for a reason and if you try it all and they are still breech you need to listen to your care provider, your body, and your baby to figure out why. I had a uterine deformity I was unaware of. I let them attempt a ECV that failed and landed me in the OR with an emergency csection that was horrible. Had I just went with a planned csection, rather than try the ECV because I wanted a vaginal birth I would have not nearly lost my life. I listened to my wants and my desires, over my baby saying "hey woman, I am not coming out that way". I've had two wonderful csections since then and my birth plan can be found at the top of this forum.

FYI, my baby was a transverse presentation.

Kim

[Cutie Patootie]

Originally Posted by erin_brycesmom

hmm, doesn't sound like she knows what she is doing. The adjustment to your spine has nothing to do with being tight. Is she talking about the ligaments? Seems like she would still do the spinal adjustments. I only ever had ligament tightness on one side but stretching that wasn't something necessary to perform Webster. It is my understanding that the spinal adjustment is the main deal. I would see a different chiro. I personally called every certified chiro within an hour+ from me and discussed their work with them and ended up driving past the ones close to me (I have one webster chiro literally 1 minute from my house) and drove an hour through a busy often conjested tunnel to go to a chiro who had the most knowledge, experience and the highest personal success rate.

I would definetly look into finding someone else who may be better able to help you and your baby. Also, I believe that a chiropractor has to be specially trained in Webster and Bagnell. So you may need to look elsewhere...at least for the Bagnell.

[amyro]

This certainly wouldn't be the first thing I'd try (all of the previous posters have done a good job of listing those...) but there are a few studies that suggest that an external cephalic version done under either epidural or spinal anesthesia has a better success rate than when it's done without. Therefore, if you end up electing a c-section for your breech birth, you should demand another attempt at the version after they have placed your anesthesia but before they start surgery. Of course, I think the research also supports vaginal breech birth for most women/babes. The problem is finding a doctor or midwife who is willing to attend you...

I know it sounds very interventionist (and like I said there are a dozen things I would do before resorting to this...) but it seems like a reasonable last-resort.

[OnTheFence]

ECV's are dangerous. No two doctors are alike in skill. My own OB will no longer do them because she had a first time mother with no previous problems with her uterus rupture. I highly recommend reading about ECVs and finding out your own doctors statistics on 1) how many were successful and how many failed 2) how many of those that were successful still ended up with a csection and the reasons for those csections 3) how many of those that were successful did the baby have problems.

ECVs are painful. They can leave your baby bruised. Your baby can become so stressed out they have heart decels and poop meconium. Even with medication, like a spinal or epidural an ECV can be dangerous to the mother as well. Even doctors with the best skills do not mean a bad outcome will not happen.

Babies are breech for a reason. If you have tried many of the things listed in this thread and still have a breech baby then consider that is what is meant to be.

BTDT

[umami_mommy]

Originally Posted by amjs

the only info i found on the pulsatilla said to use it for one day. i think the directions were one pill every two hours--so it's ok to try it again? do you know what the dosing would be?

i would take it like this 24 hours or until baby turns. after that i would take 3, 3 times day or 3 days. then if baby doesn't turn. you can stop taking it. or continue. since it can't hurt. if baby doesn't turn in that amount of time, most likely pulsatilla won't help.

[Bertana]

FWIW, you can check out this website:

http://www.spinningbabies.com/index.php

At least you've got the mammas here in MDC to give you some advice, I unfortunately discovered MDC after my unwanted c-section (big breech baby). I'lll try and send good thoughts your way

BEST OF LUCK!!!