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Okay, I live in the most insane state of the union!

Please, even in you don't live in Kansas, call or email Governor Sebelius and tell her to veto this!!!!

For a little background, this is a class on sexual development and behaviour. It is the most popular class at the university, and has been taught for decades, with NO complaints. It is so popular that the campus ECUMENICAL CHRISTIAN MINISTRIES group, in conjunction with several other campus religious groups, provides a space for this professor to teach the class in their building, for the general public (it is impossible to take the class on campus, it closes the minute enrollment begins).

Also, the material he shows is NOT sexual....it is decidedly educational. *I* show pictures of naked women and children in my childbirth classes....am I a pedophile?

And this is scary, considering that our state board of education decided a couple of years ago that EVOLUTION was not something that should be required to be taught in public schools in Kansas! And NOW the conservative legislature is trying to dictate what can or cannot be taught in the State Universities!!!! This is a precedent that you do not want to be set!!!!

Please call governor Sebelius at 1-800-748-4408 or email her at governor@state.ks.us

Thank you!!!

Lori


Anti-obscenity measure clears House

Budget proviso denouncing KU sexuality class now headed to governor's desk

By Dave Ranney, Journal-World

Friday, April 4, 2003

A budget amendment aimed at prohibiting state universities from showing videos in sex education classes is on its way to the governor's desk.


The rider to budget legislation was approved Thursday by the House. It then survived a House-Senate conference committee ironing out differences in each chamber's budget bill.

"There was very little discussion," said Rep. Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence. "It's on its way to Governor's Office now ... I'm hoping she'll line-item veto it."

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius last week discouraged lawmakers from meddling in state university curricula. Her office Thursday declined comment on the amendment, which was attached to
the budget bill that won approval later Thursday in both the House and Senate.

Claims in dispute

The amendment, introduced by Sen. Susan Wagle, R-Wichita, passed the Senate last week. It directs the Board of Regents to immediately pull the funding of any department caught buying or showing obscene materials in its sex education courses.

Wagle based her amendment on an anonymous student's claim that Kansas University professor Dennis Dailey showed pornographic videos and photographs of children's genitalia in a human sexuality class he teaches.

Others in the class disagreed with Wagle's account.


"He showed pictures of vaginas to show how different they can be and how they can change over time," said Teresa Scalise, a 21-year-old senior and Dailey's teaching assistant.

The photographs, she said, were part of a class on sexual development.

"I want to be a doctor, an OB-GYN," Scalise said. "I need to see that. How can that be pornographic? You see the same thing in med school."

Jen Hein, a junior in advertising and strategic communication, is taking Dailey's class and has watched the videos in question. She said they were not pornographic.

"Are you kidding? I've seen worse stuff on HBO," she said.

Hein said students were surprised by a recent video involving gay and lesbian couples because it was different than pornographic depictions of gay sex.

"It was very tender and passionate -- quite contradictory to the way it's portrayed in porn," she said. "Everybody was surprised. It was educational."


Hein and Scalise said the videos lasted between five and 10 minutes.

"It's not like it's a big part of the class," Scalise said. "It's three times a semester."

Served by silence

Contacted by the Journal-World, Dailey, 64, said he had decided not to get into a "war" with the Legislature and was reluctant to say much.

"I believe I have been well-served by my silence," he said.

He insisted the videos and slides shown in the classroom were purchased "from a credible educational organization and were specifically made for educational and clinical purposes."

KU spokesman Todd Cohen said the university was confident the videos shown in Dailey's class were not pornographic.

"They are explicit; they are designed for a college-level sex education course," he said. "They are not pornographic."

Cohen said university officials had been flooded with e-mails in support of Dailey. "The response has been 99 percent positive," he said.

Chilling effect

Bill Rich, a law professor at Washburn University, said that if the amendment survived Sebelius' veto, it was unlikely the videos would be considered obscene under the law.

"If you have a professor who's prepared to make the argument that the video in question was being shown with an educational purpose within an accepted university curriculum, you would have a very difficult time meeting the standard," Rich said.

Rich said he was more concerned about the amendment's chilling effect.

"The fear of litigation would be substantial," he said, adding, "I'm afraid the Legislature is overstating its case in a way that suggests it doesn't know or care about the standards of free speech and education. And in a national sense, that doesn't help the state's reputation."

Dailey is in "phased retirement" at KU. He plans to teach the course in the fall semester "for certain, and in the spring semester, maybe."

After spring 2004, he said, he will be "playing it by ear. I'm not sure what I'll be doing."
post #2 of 12
Oh crap!! I live in Kansas!!

We already get made fun of the being the "non-evolving" state now we will be the "no vagina" state..

fantastic...next we will be the "no biological function" state...:
post #3 of 12
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I know, I know! I can't believe we have a birth rate at all, because that would involve a man and a woman "knowing" each other in a biblical sense!
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post #5 of 12
I'm in Kansas, too. And an educator. A biology educator. Tell me about this stupid legislature. That's what happens when the far right get voted into office.
post #6 of 12
I am here in Lawrence and am amazed by this. I have heard wonderful things about the class, but have never been able to get into it. Even my dear friend, who is a very far right wing ( and fundamentalist Christian), thought it was great. When will it end? (Almost enough to make me register as a democrat
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We already get made fun of the being the "non-evolving" state now we will be the "no vagina" state..
TO FUNNY ABIMOMMY! But oh so true.:
post #7 of 12
LOL...only Kansas residents have posted to this thread....
post #8 of 12
OMG! One of my very best friends is the one bringing this suit (Jessica Zahn). I mean, when she was engaged recently and planning a big wedding (they ending up having a tiny ceremony) I was going to stand up with her, kind of good friend. I just got off of a lloonnggg phone call with her getting the dish from her side. I find the whole thing very amusing, eps since i know have known her so well since babyhood. Puts a whole new perspective on it. Okay, that's all
post #9 of 12
What is the status of this?
post #10 of 12
It's going to court. From the way my friend made it sound there is more going on than the media is reporting. I have heard great things about the class from those who have taken it, but I think Jess has some valid points too (but only after talking to her). Ultimately I think the class should stay put. There is going to be a second law suit because Jessica's hubby was laid off recently from KU due to "budget cuts", but when they had people look into it, there had been no cuts in his dept. (I am just restating what she has said). The one thing I did see, which only irritated me with the media, is that everything she alledges he said (that the media has here has said he did not), is all on tape. I find it all very interesting, esp getting her side too. My ultimate opinion is that maybe some things were said that were better left alone, but that the class should stay. Jess has had some issues which would make me wonder, but that Jessica is also not a prude (thinking but to the early college days), nor stupid (going to Georgetown Law on a scholorship). The hard evidence she showed me was very interesting though. I will be curious to see what comes out of it.
Jo
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You gals are confusing me

The OP was about legislation to stop human sexuality class at KU. Now you are talking about a lawsuit. What happened to the original legislation? Did the governer line item veto it?

I am really curious...I remember my packed human sexuality class in college. I shudder to think that things could get to the point that people are denied the right to classes like this...

`Deirdre
post #12 of 12
I am on my way out the door, but will give the brief version, from what I know. Jessica has filed a sexual harassment lawsuit. That is the lawsuit part. Jessica is interning for Senator Wagel, who proposed the class be ditched, which was vetoed. I believe what has been passed is that KU has to do something to review the content of the class (or something to that effect). Jessica's argument was not so much that the videos themselves were inappropriate, but the lewd and inappropriate (her words, not mine) comments made in conjunction to them. As well as other things supposedly said in class. Dailey, the teacher, says he has never once received a formal complaint about the class filed with the university. Jesica says she has several people that will be testifying to the fact that they tried to filed complaints with the department, but the complaints were "not accepted" (once again, from her mouth). So who knows. Jess made a good arguement to me, but I also people that loved the class willing to stand up on Dailey's end. All I know, is from everything she told me, if it is true, there is much more scandal than seen to the naked eye. I am not sure what I believe.
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