Sugar water a pain reliever

[Heidi]

I was told by my husband's brother's girlfriend (I know it is a mouthfull.) that apparently if you give a newborn a pacifier with sugarwater on it that this will release endorphins so the baby is pain free during the circumcision: . She was told this by a medical professional. It is amazing what some parents will believe to justify circing their babies. In this case the baby was in the NICU so they have not done it yet. I hope they don't: . Just thought I would share. Has anyone else heard this BS?

[DocsNemesis]

Yep, I have heard it before from several health professionals. My friend is an RN-just graduated last month-and she said they were told that in nursing school However, she said she doesnt believe it and she wont assist in circing
Even IF sugar water binkys released endorphines, it sure as heck isnt a pain reliever and doesnt make the circ painless. I mean, when a woman is in labor, she has massive amounts of endorphines being released with each contraction, but labor isnt painless now is it? No, and I bet (if she went through labor) that your friend had some form of pain relief-probably an epidural. If not, then she will REALLY understand this concept How could she get pain meds during labor and then allow her son to go through genital surgery with nothing but sugar water?
Also, I have yet to see an actual study on the effects of sugar water during circumcision; I think this is a myth that was started by some health prof's years ago and now eveyrone thinks its fact.

[Heidi]

Endorphins. She did do the epi. Apparently the cord was tied around the babys neck twice as well as around his body so the more she pushed the tighter the cord wrapped and then because he was not coming they went in with a vacuum extracter. The baby was blue when he was born (almost dead) and had to be incubated immediatley and hooked up to a ventilator. Now he has brain damage and had kidney damage (that is healing). This little guy is lucky to be alive. I just hope they leave him alone. He has been through so much. DH and I have told them the facts and now DH's parents are starting to see the circing is uneccessary(After changing and bathing DS for 1 1/2 years with no problems). I just hope, hope, hope, they do not do it: . Hats off to your RN friend.

[pdx.mothernurture]

This is where the sucrose info/claims are coming from:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

I also found this:

"When compared with sucrose in two trials involving 127 newborns, DPNB demonstrated less time crying [MD -166 s, 95% CI -211 to -121], and lower heart rate [WMD -27 bpm, 95% CI -33 to -20]. Results obtained for trials comparing oral sucrose and oral analgesics to placebo, and trials of environmental modification were either inconsistent or were not significantly different...None of the studied interventions completely eliminated the pain response to circumcision."

http://www.update-software.com/abstracts/AB004217.htm

Jen

[mommyswenn]

Ask her if sugar water is enough to relieve the pain of a headache, a stubbed toe, menstrual cramps, labour...

It breaks my heart to see these little boys (my doc's partner does circ's : ) come out with big grooves in their cheeks from the paci cutting in from sucking so hard...

[bandgeek]

The pacifier gags him so no one has to listen to him scream.

[baybee]

the (very bad word) doctor who circs here in Vancouver uses brown sugar in a gauze that is then dipped in grape juice. Wonder how he dreamed up that formula? That's after they have Emla cream (against the manufacturer's specific instructions not to use on genitals, and not to use on infant's under 6 mos of age), then they have a dorsal penile block (again not safe for a newborn). Basically, they can numb the baby out so much it can eliminate most of the pain from the amputation at the time but they risk the child's life to do it. they also risk heavier bleeding and distortion of the tissues with the meds.

Discussing ways to make an amputation "nicer" is a circular conversation for medical professionals.
1. the surgery exposes the male infant to risk of catatostophic infection and bleeding
2. the anaesthetics risks far outweigh any possible excuse for amputating healthy tissue.
3. When the anaesthetic wears off, there is a raw glans that is exposed to urine and feces in the diaper and hurts until it toughens and heals.
4. the baby boy is mutilated for life and his experience of his sexual organs is dulled and distorted forever. In the words of the Chairperson of the Committee on Circumcision for the College of Physicians and Surgeons of B.C., Dr Peter Seland, circumcision is "unwarranted, mutilating surgery."

Baybee

[Heidi]

So does this mean that if they do sugar water, the standard is to use nothing else for pain relief ?

[elmh23]

I wonder if sugar water during circ is part of the reason for people who eat sugar when they are feeling insecure? It'd be an interesting study.

[Lovenest]

My son was not circ.
He was given sugar water though. He ran a fever of 105 the night he was born. It was awful, they had to draw blood out of his arm. He ended up having nothing wrong with him, thank god.:

The sugar water did not help that, so I dont see how it would help with circ!

[DocsNemesis]

They give sugar water (glucose) to newborns after they are born when their blood sugars are low....or if the mom is diabetic, or if the baby is "big," or for any other if's, or just cause its hospital policy. They were going to give my 2nd glucose just because of her weight-she weighed 8lbs 12oz and they required any baby over 8lbs 12oz to have it cause it was hospital policy. She didnt need it at all and I refused and nursed her instead.

[enstar780]

Of course sugar water will not eliminate the severe and horrific pain of male genital mutilation. Thats an absurd notion. I have heard about men who were circumcised as an adult, with a local anesthetic, who reported the most intense pain possible. Even if it wasnt so soul-shattering painful, it still would be wrong to do it, even if it was painless, its still wrong, and should be opposed nonetheless, since it is stealing from the child for the rest of his life what should be rightfully his, a whole body. MGM is a form of sexual and sensory castration that permenantly deprives a person of the most sensitive parts of their bodies, this is the main erogenious zone on the body that we are amputating, and it is a lifelong sentance to sensory deprivation, denying these people the most intense and beautiful joys and pleasures, feeling and sensations that they will never be able to experience. The neurological and psychological effects of the person that this causes are likely to be severe and extremely harmful. There is something deeply sinister and evil about erasing pleasure and systematically altering and eliminating most of the sexuality of unconsenting persons. We are forever altering the range of pleasure sensations and experiences they will be able to enjoy. We are stealing a part of their life from them! I feel as though I am living in some primitive, barbaric society rather than a civilised one. I am find it quite frightening how so many people, especially after knowing that this is a cutting of the childs body, of a part that has nothing wrong with it, is truly frightening. It makes me cry to think about what these poor children are going through. The email idea is a good one, I also recommend including a large number of website addresses in the e-mail, including the MGM petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...ltl=1158795931
and the montuga circumcision petition, http://montagunocircpetition.org/ this excellent article http://www.byronchild.com/arts27.htm, and other links, and instructing them to forward it to everyone they know, starting a chain mail.

[birthdancedoula]

Yeah, when someone takes a whack at my genitals w/ a scalpel something sweet always makes me feel better:

When I was in RN school a doc who did circ said that the sucrose paci took too much of her time...not that she was the one shoving the thing in the baby's mouth anyway. Then again this was the same doc who didn't think boys deserved pain meds during the procedure either.:

[Brigianna]

This is actually true--obviously suger water doesn't make surgery painless, but it is a natural pain reliever, especially for babies. The ped we went to gives sugar water for shots and blood drawings and things like that. And even adults sometimes feel better when they eat something sweet after they've gotten hurt.

[Tanibani]

Originally Posted by bandgeek

The pacifier gags him so no one has to listen to him scream.

I agree. Plain and simple. That is what I observed when my son was circ'd.

Holy moly, I just realized something. My son has HUGE issues with sugar. He craves it. I've tried clearing him with NAET (natural, non-invasive treatments treatments for allergy elimination) (3 so far) and they haven't taken yet. Maybe there is a connection here.

[kxsiven]

Originally Posted by Brigianna

This is actually true--obviously suger water doesn't make surgery painless, but it is a natural pain reliever, especially for babies. The ped we went to gives sugar water for shots and blood drawings and things like that.

I've never heard it use here. I even asked from our local ped.nurse.

Here small children get a patch on the skin that numbs the area where they are going to put a needle.

I know also that sweet wine is used for babies to reduce circ pain.

uh-huh

[coloradoalice]

[QUOTE=Heidi;6069926 Now he has brain damage and had kidney damage (that is healing). This little guy is lucky to be alive. I just hope they leave him alone. He has been through so much. [/QUOTE]

That they would even consider doing that to a baby that has been through so much already....... there are no words.

And yes, I think sugar water is used as the only thing a lot. And doctors have the gall to refer to it as "anesthesia". It's such a crock. Such BS. Glad you know the truth and are trying to enlighten them.

[bandgeek]

Originally Posted by Tanibani

I agree. Plain and simple. That is what I observed when my son was circ'd.

Holy moly, I just realized something. My son has HUGE issues with sugar. He craves it. I've tried clearing him with NAET (natural, non-invasive treatments treatments for allergy elimination) (3 so far) and they haven't taken yet. Maybe there is a connection here.

[Heidi]

Colorado Alice"Glad you know the truth and are trying to enlighten them."

Thanks. It is not easy when people are not willing to ask or listen. That is half the problem with this couple. They do not question anything. Just let themselves get hearded through the system. The baby is the one who pays. We are finally beginning to get through to my inlaws. I am hoping my MIL can influence her son (the baby's father). He respects her opinion. I still can not believe all they use is sugar water . How can this still happen? I do not get it...

[DreamsInDigital]

Never mind the fact that sugar water as a pain reliever is total BS,
the anesthesia argument drives me insane! We can make it painless to cut off a baby's arm, or ear or hand, but that doesn't mean we should. It has a function and a purpose and without it, he will be forever altered.