I wonder if this is why there is a new MDC User Agreement.
It is entirely unrelated. The decision to revise the User Agreement and ask for community input about it preceded the decision to place Google ads.Why aren't the ad rates raised? I mean, it's normal to pay more for an ad that will be seen more, right?
They have been raised, we have lost our advertising base of WAHMs due to the increase in fees. So we are taking back WAHM advertising under MDC's umbrella (which means lower rates for them again) and are placing Google ads rather than the previous right column ads we had.
i just paid for an account, i would have paid the extra couple of dollars to remove the adds had I known they were going to go google.
You can still do that by paying the extra amount. We will upgrade subscriptions upon request, once things are in place.About Google related viruses and spyware
If this is true then it really should not be a problem for anyone if they do not click on the ads. Google cannot embed viruses and spyware into MDC through the ad code we place to display the ads. This is probably something that should be taken to Google as a complaint. If it is not true - if it is not something that you can trace and pinpoint exactly as a Google action - then your statement is edging on defamation so please be careful of making such statements, for your personal interest and that of Mothering. Google has policies in place about spyware and deceptive software practices. Please review that for more information: http://www.google.com/corporate/soft...rinciples.htmlGuess that's why the new proposed UA included ISP based email addresses only to register... so google can track ad clicks.
Nope. Has nothing at all to do with it. We have requested ISP based emails for many years now. That is not a new thing in the UA. It is due to the huge volume of delivery failures we get from people using free email accounts that have spam blocking set so strictly their account will not accept MDC system emails. But we do not actively monitor that or refuse anyone membership. it is simply stated in the UA because we want an ISP based email address. If you do not register with one then we can refuse to troubleshoot any issues you may have that are related to it and also deny you features such as email notifications.
I would love to know what it costs to run the board and how much money the google thing will bring in so we can try to brainstorm alternatives.
It have no right to share costs and revenue with you. That is Mothering business that you would have to request from the Mothering office. But feel free to brainstorm alternatives for fundraising if you wish to not see ads here, google or otherwise. Greenie started a thread in Q&S for that purpose.And think about it, there are far less WAHM banner advertisers now. Most of us simply can't afford to advertise at MDC anymore. So they have to make us for that somewhere. Just peek into the WAHMwell and do a serach for cost of advertising.
That's very true. Though WAHMs were offered pricing very much lower than the big businesses that the Mothering Advertising documents list, advertising has dropped tremendously. Even the banners you see up top at MDC, quite a few are complementary ads.
Paid memberships exclude people like myself. Due to no fault of my own my paypal account has been frozen.
We can certainly work something out if you can make payment some other way.If advertising were more affordable for WAHMs I bet that would eliminate teh need for Google. And WAHMs are more than happy to support MDC (just not at $500 + a month)
Ads for WAHMs at MDC are not $500 a month. They never have been. Just want that clarified. If anyone wants more information on WAHM advertising they can contact me. But in reality, if we go back to the ad pricing and flow of ads that we previously had, the revenue is still insufficient to cover MDC operating expenses.I agree that Google might alienate more members, and Google (although I love them) isn't exactly NFL. I mean, we're bound to get tons of VERY NON-AP ads and seeing Enfamil advertise on Mothering will be too much. I think that if we pull together we'll be able to make it without inviting corporate america in...
Acknowledged. And we have asked for the support and assistance of the community to control this and help keep out such ads.I'm a little bitter about the way we have been told to report the offending ads: send the url to an address, which means we have to click on the ad, copy the url, and send it to mdc. If it offends me, I'm not exactly in line to click on it.
You don't HAVE to report anything. We are requesting help. That's all. And the direction to click is only to help us get an exact ad to report. A description or company name may make it more difficult to track and report it and get filtered out. But you can do that if you wish and not click at all. In fact, maybe it would be better for us to ask that you report the ad instead of click, considering the insinuations posted that we have requested that to get the money from your click (and that's a very unkind accusation that noone here deserves and is the sort of thing that tears down sincere dialogue rather than promotes it). But there will need to be some understanding that such a report of an ad's wording (they will be text ads, not images) may not give us the exact info needed to get that ad pulled asap. That was the only reason behind suggesting you click to get the URL. We will be placing filters to not permit certain ads from the start. But as I understand it, it is a process that must be worked at and eventually will work well at keeping out ads we don't want to host. We, as a mod and admin team, will be monitoring the ads too and getting those removed that are inappropriate. We never intended to place th burden of reporting as a responsibility of the community. We're just asking for your help. If you can't or don't want to give it, that's fine. eta: I read it as they are going to give the right side bar a whirl......and see.....I wonder if they signed off yet? and for how long a period, if so...
Yes, we decided to give it a whirl.
There is no "signing off" commitment. We are not under a contract with Google to allow them to place ads. We can place them if we wish or not if we decide to discontinue.Why aren't old user accounts (very old inactive ones that have zero posts from a year or so ago) that take up server space? Some of them have never posted or have 1 post and that's it.
Old user accounts are really not a server space issue nor do they cost us money that we need to be increasing revenue for. It is the sheer size of our active community and the number of guests that are visiting, reading, and learning every day. And joining in large numbers daily. We need server power to handle that traffic (and we have three servers now, needed to do so and considering a fourth), bandwidth space to deliver the goods, administration and moderation to allow it to flow smoothly and address issues. We also want to be able to offer other things for our community. It costs, plain and simple. This is not a greed issue. It is one of covering costs and then trying to get a bit of extra to allow us to do more which is really just putting the money back into the boards.
Well why not ask. Does MDC even remember what a COMMUNE is/was? A poll may have been nice, or even a heads up before the decision was made--kind of a "If we don't raise XYZ by October, we'll need to google-ize"--and I bet with DDDCs, memberships, and plain old donations we could have done it. But we weren't given the chance, and that's what a lot of us are cheesed at. The cookbook! 'We're selling a cookbook to raise money'--well where is it?? Lots of people wanted to buy it. There are plenty of people who are willing to 'step up to the plate' if there were more than one plate available, or had we known about the apparent fiscal crisis that is MDC.
I guess because we have tried several things over the years and they were tons of work with little revenue seen as a result. We have asked and have tried out suggestions. The results were encouraging that the community will come together to try to help but the bottom line of revenue created through it all was quite sobering. The specific projects you suggest/question will be discussed in the other thread in Q&S. If everyone is really geared to creating the revenue through community effort and this is demonstrated and sustained, then we will most certainly remove Google ads. And we an discuss that in that thread.Personally I see google ads everywhere and don't even notice them anymore, I think alot of people have become immune to them. So will they really make money for MDC?
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But we do want to give it a try. One of our members here at MDC recommends it highly, saying her husband earns $5000 a month on his site through his Google ads. That is considerable and would go a long way toward covering MDC costs.
If you have anything further to post about fundraising ideas, please do so in this thread
rather than here.
We have become used to member backlash about things that are disliked by some. It's a part of administrating and moderating I suppose and certainly with a community this size it can be expected. But the unkind remarks and accusations really hurt and are not something that we would permit members to state about members. So please respect that all of us at Mothering do love this community as much as you do, want what's best for it, are not evil, greedy, or corporate business huggers, are hurt by such comments and that it really does nothing to further your opinion about this issue and does more to create negativity and bad feelings. Post with constructive suggestion and concern and not attack with insinuation and assumption. If you cannot do so then you will not be permitted to participate in this discussion.