I'm reading JALP

[snowbird25ca]

I borrowed it from a friend and started reading it last night & got half way through it before I finally decided I better go to sleep. Bet I'll finish it tonight, I just can't put it down once I start.

Anyone else get stuck reading "just one more chapter" the same way?

I really wish this kind of info was something everyone had - might make way more people research vaxes and make an educated decision instead of blindly following their dr.'s advice.

[mammom]

For me it was sort of the opposite - I made myself NOT read it before bed because I would get so worked up over the injustices and so frustrated over the whole issue that I wouldn't be able to sleep! It took me much longer to get through it than I expected!

[snowbird25ca]

Originally Posted by mammom

For me it was sort of the opposite - I made myself NOT read it before bed because I would get so worked up over the injustices and so frustrated over the whole issue that I wouldn't be able to sleep! It took me much longer to get through it than I expected!

If I was smart I'd probably take that approach. I dreamt about vaxes & not consenting to stuff and being really po'ed all night. I even threatened to divorce dh in one dream for giving dd the c-pox vax. : (Something that I'd never threaten or mention in real life no matter how awful the disagreement or argument - guess it just shows how mad I was.)

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

To write about vaccination is very frustrating at the best of times. It's like pushing a tsunami up a hill by blowing a straw. ... and as the list of vaccines grows immensely, so does the frustration. And shaking my head thinking... when are people going to see the real issues there?

The point of JALP was to take people through a thinking process so that they could maybe stand back and sort out the chaff from the wheat.

Whether it succeeds is another matter.

[snowbird25ca]

MT - Well, if someone can read all the way through your book and not think, they must be lacking a brain. Although I totally hear what you're saying about the uphill battle. I think the book is one that could actually encourage a pro-vaxd person to rethink things though. But as you know, even when faced with the facts some people will still deny the truth.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Some days I wonder if most people are congenitally wired to lemmings.

[Spy]

Originally Posted by snowbird25ca

But as you know, even when faced with the facts some people will still deny the truth.

Too true. Many years before I assumed, just because I happened to know a woman who has lost a child due to a vaccine, that something THAT horrible would definitely stop anyone from vaccinating any further children. Silly me :. Since then I met people who keep vaccinating even after multiple cases of death, autism and other permanent disabilities in the same - their own - family. They just refuse to make a connection! Sort of, 'ignorance by choice'. Someone wrote us a letter a few years ago describing a horrible case of encephalitis in a 18-month-old who nearly died and, AFAIK, still getting over it. I remember I wondered how long before thar she has received her MMR shot. My husband, being a very simple and straight forward person, rather than guess, just emailed her and asked this question . The answer came: "Yes, she did receive the MMR two weeks before, but it is not related, because our doctor told us so". :

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by Spy

Someone wrote us a letter a few years ago describing a horrible case of encephalitis in a 18-month-old who nearly died and, AFAIK, still getting over it. I remember I wondered how long before thar she has received her MMR shot. My husband, being a very simple and straight forward person, rather than guess, just emailed her and asked this question . The answer came: "Yes, she did receive the MMR two weeks before, but it is not related, because our doctor told us so". :

So if someone had an antibiotic and nearly dies from anaphylaxis, why then do doctors go spare and insist you wear a medical alert? Couldn't that be coincidence too?

[guestmama9911]

It seems to me that most readers of JALP are already converts. Have you considered sending copies to libraries, not just in your country but the US, Canada and Europe? I'd donate mine to my library but I have an unhealthy addiction to highlighters and your book already looks like a box of markers sneezed on it.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

We've managed to get the book into a few libraries here, (about 70 something so far) but as Deborah explained elsewhere, its not a simple case of sending a book, and them putting it on the shelves. Libraries have to see it as part of their collection, and anything be it space or personal perspective (which shouldn't come into it) can result in the book being tossed if they don't want it.

Here the audience is either the converted, or the undecided.

Overseas, its the same judging from the letters requesting it.

[guestmama9911]

Send a copy to Oprah. Her minion will read it if she tells them to.

[Spy]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

So if someone had an antibiotic and nearly dies from anaphylaxis, why then do doctors go spare and insist you wear a medical alert? Couldn't that be coincidence too?

If they for some reason absolutely want you to have this same antibiotic at some point later, I am sure they can call this a coincidence. Some infection, you know... unidentified underlying condition... anything .

Reminds me of another thing I found on the internet a while ago. An audio file from a radio program about vaccination. A doctor in the studio telling his usual text... Incoming call on air from a father. Who tells that his child went into a coma right after some (DPT?) shot and never came out, died three days later. So they don't vaccinate their second child. This is all that was said, it only took a few seconds to tell the story. And the doctor replied with: "I am very sorry for your loss. I don't know what killed your baby. But I absolutely know it was not the vaccine. You are putting your other baby at risk..."
Now, things like that make me feel slightly homicidal
The guy didn't see the child, he had no idea, he only heard a few words from the father, and he absolutely knows???

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

Send a copy to Oprah. Her minion will read it if she tells them to.

Why would Oprah take any notice of a book from New Zealand, written by a nobody, with no degree, who doesn't even have the decency to give it a respectfull title, and who doesn't market it as a commercially viable venture?

[lyttlewon]

We've managed to get the book into a few libraries here, (about 70 something so far) but as Deborah explained elsewhere, its not a simple case of sending a book, and them putting it on the shelves. Libraries have to see it as part of their collection, and anything be it space or personal perspective (which shouldn't come into it) can result in the book being tossed if they don't want it.

Really? When I was a Jehovah's Witness we littered the libraries with our material. I see their books in my local library all the time.

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Why would Oprah take any notice of a book from New Zealand, written by a nobody, with no degree, who doesn't even have the decency to give it a respectfull title, and who doesn't market it as a commercially viable venture?

This is partially in jest. I can't stand Oprah.

[Nemmer]

Not to mention, I'm sure Oprah's PTB's wouldn't allow it. FTR, MT, I'm reading the book and loving it. Even DH picked it up the other night and read the first couple chapters. I can tell he's curious why I'm so enthralled in it, but he's not a reader at all! I usually read things TO him that I find worthwhile, and I told him I'd be reading this to him if he didn't read it first. Thanks again for it!

[snowbird25ca]

I finished the book last night & now expect dh to read it.

I'm hoping once he's done I'll be able to convince him to get our own copy so we can lend it to family & friends. I think even my family doc would find it an interesting read if she has the time to read it.

You might be right about it being people who are converts or unsure who are picking up the book initially, but hopefully those same people are passing the book on to others once they're done with it. I really think this book is incredibly well researched and has some eye opening stuff in it.

I have to ask though, about the estradiol in the oral polio vax, would one dose of estradiol - even if someone got 8 doses of it over the course of a year, truly affect fertility? I'm just wondering since women have to take the bcp every day and missing one day can make it ineffective. Strange that it was in there to begin with, but I just wonder if the real purpose was to affect fertility?