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post #41 of 55
9/25/06 at 11:45pm
they dont state she did, but it is highly unusual for someone who is in perfect health to get tetanus.
post #42 of 55
9/26/06 at 1:00am
the only way to prevent children from getting serious diseases is to keep up with immunizations," said Dr. Walid Abuhammour, director of pediatric infectious diseases at Hurley Medical Center, where the girl is being treated.

This TOTALLY freaks me out!! How about fostering a healthy immune system with diet? Also, it is extremely rare for a child to die of Tetanus if they are healthy to begin with, and since she got the disease (IF she got it, it sounds like they might be actually misdiagnosing) she will now actually have immunity
post #43 of 55
9/26/06 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Spy View Post
Last time I checked there was no test for this : Tetanus is routinely diagnosed clinically, based on symptoms, and in rare cases can be confused with a few other things. And, the vaccine is a toxoid, so no strains, just 'antibodies to toxin'.
In other words, a child contracted a "tetanus like illness" with no way to prove if it's actually tetanus, her vaccine status is unknown, and they're using her as a poster child for "the dangers of skipping the tetanus vaccine."
post #44 of 55
9/26/06 at 11:42am
Did anyone get the opt out info? I am in MI and had instructed my ped to not report that we opted out of vaccines, but did not realize no matter what, you were entered into this Big Brother database.
post #45 of 55
9/26/06 at 11:57am
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Did she get tetanus because she had underlying health problems?

I got the impression from the article that she was hospitalized for 2 weeks to treat the tetanus, not that the cut on her foot was getting 2 weeks worth of medical attention before contracting tetanus. A child needing to be hospitalized for 2 weeks IS something to be concerned about- but did she truly need to be hospitalized this long or did the drs keep her longer to make the illness seem worse than it was?
Yeah, that she was being treated so 2 weeks seems odd to me too. At first, I wondered if she got tetanus while IN the hospital.
post #46 of 55
9/26/06 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
In other words, a child contracted a "tetanus like illness" with no way to prove if it's actually tetanus, her vaccine status is unknown, and they're using her as a poster child for "the dangers of skipping the tetanus vaccine."
Pretty much. I am getting told by the doctors that lab tests for tetanus don't matter since the symptoms are hard to confuse with anything else and for treatment purposes it is enough to have 'tetanus like illness'. Which is fair enough - for treatment purposes. The whole bwahaha about preventability of each case by tetanus vaccination, however, remains not proven.
post #47 of 55
9/26/06 at 8:03pm
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Yeah, that she was being treated so 2 weeks seems odd to me too. At first, I wondered if she got tetanus while IN the hospital.
I have a record of another case of tetanus in a 2-year-old (this time both parent and doctors agreed that it was tetanus and no argument about vaccination status - conscientious objectors), treated in hospital for 18 days and 'discharged on sedatives'. Looks like it is a regular thing for not-so-severe cases.
The case is old, but recorded as a huge sensation with 'ethical issues' pinned to it: http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...l10299_fm.html

(the actual case description is on the right side of the page in a little blue box)
post #48 of 55
9/26/06 at 8:09pm
with that case, i have a problem with this part

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During the admission, a recommendation was made to the parent on several occasions that the child be given a course of tetanus toxoid, because infection with Clostridium tetani does not necessarily confer immunity against tetanus. Despite this advice, the parent refused to consent, and the child was discharged unvaccinated. The decision was based on the parent's own beliefs. The other parent's position was not proffered.
if this child survived and recovered, they have natural immunity anyway! I don't vax anymore, but I'm glad these parents had the sense to use the TIG and not the simple tetanus shot (although that could also be the drs as well).
I am not against using the TIG if in the event ds got tetanus, but like these parents, I wouldnt give the tetnus series after.
post #49 of 55
9/26/06 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by romans_mum View Post
with that case, i have a problem with this part
if this child survived and recovered, they have natural immunity anyway! I don't vax anymore, but I'm glad these parents had the sense to use the TIG and not the simple tetanus shot (although that could also be the drs as well).
I am not against using the TIG if in the event ds got tetanus, but like these parents, I wouldnt give the tetnus series after.
Yes, this is the fundamental logical difference between us and medical people
It is true, for all toxin mediated diseases, that natural immunity may not last. It means, you can get tetanus more than once. Same with diphteria and pertussis. However, we don't think that the vaccine can do any better than the real thing, whereas meds seem to think it can.
I also absoultely admire this 'parent' (for some reason I think it's a mother?) for that level of clear mind after what she had to go through.
post #50 of 55
9/26/06 at 8:48pm
My question is that if she should of had some type of immunity to it due to the vaccinations that she should of received. Then why do you have to get a booster just about everytime you get hurt by anything questionable?
post #51 of 55
9/26/06 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by wytchemorgan View Post
My question is that if she should of had some type of immunity to it due to the vaccinations that she should of received. Then why do you have to get a booster just about everytime you get hurt by anything questionable?
Makes more money.

Can't become a $41 billion dollar industry on just a few shots.
post #52 of 55
9/26/06 at 9:31pm
not to mention, a booster does nothing to help if you have tetanus in your system, only the TIG shot helps. so if they are trying to con you into a tetanus shot in the first place means you arn't at risk of having it from that wound.
post #53 of 55
9/26/06 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by DQMama View Post
I'm trying to figure this whole thing out, and I think I missed this part. What other health problems did she have?
quote from the article
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Abuhammour said it was difficult to figure out what was causing the girl's sky-high blood pressure, low blood oxygen and breathing trouble. But one thing was certain: She had lockjaw, a severe muscle spasm locking the jaw so that the mouth cannot open.
post #54 of 55
9/27/06 at 5:44am
Tetanus can cause sky-high blood pressure, low blood oxygen and breathing trouble. It is a toxin, and you'd expect that if the body was struggling to deal with it, and you'd expect that if someone with a toxin-mediated disease was starting to be severely vitamin C deficient. Intravenous vitamin C would have dealt with a lot of that . But since when would a doctor use something as simple as that? Only if their names were Frederick Klenner or Thomas Levy, I guess
post #55 of 55
9/27/06 at 1:50pm
Can't make much money off something as cheap as vitamin C. :
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