"Vaccine Fearmongering Scrutinized"

[Tamee]

I read this article in a newsletter called "Whole Body Health". this is the part that got me:

"The six vaccines packed into four shots and injected into her 18-month old toddler also contained four live virus vaccines--chickenpox, measles, mumps & rubella (MMR) vaccines--as well as hepatitis B and meningococcal C vaccines. First he was injected with chickenpox vaccine which immediately raised a hive on his skin, then the nurse quickly injected him with three more needles in separate locations. By the time she had injected all the vaccines, he was salivating, pointing to his neck and playing with his tongue--then his eyes started to roll back at which point she injected him with the epinephrine...In one week he had shifted from a gentle easy-going baby to an angry and agressive child."

and it made me want to cry!

[smeep]

[Gitti]

What kind of person would do that to a child? What kind of mother would allow this to continue? :sad

[Joyful Mama]

i am crying right now. that is so, so, so, so, so, so terrible.

[dymanic]

Originally Posted by Gitti

What kind of mother would allow this to continue?

What kind of person would ask such a question?

[jojospok23]

Dynamic, are you telling me you would really continue and allow them to administer the remaining three, then two shots, when you could see that your child was already suffering obvious, severe reactions? Are you kidding me?

[angelpie545]

Originally Posted by dymanic

What kind of person would ask such a question?

The kind of person who cares deeply about this child's well-being and comfort. I dont think it was meant as an attack on the mother's part; it's just a comment regarding a mother's natural instinct to protect her child from suffering. If I was at the doctor's office and they were performing a procedure that is volunatry, such as immunization, and my child started having a reaction of was suffering apart from that which is normal, of course I would stop it immediately. Vaccines can and do cause severe allergic reactions, and it's obvious that this child had one, and one that was noticeable immediately, which is not always the case with vax reactions.

[Nanners]

My older ds was completely vaxxed until a recent reaction, and I can tell you quite assuredly that I was too distracted by the standard screaming, crying, and twisting around during all his inoculations to have noticed if he had a hive on his leg after the first of four needles. Also, they do it very quickly. It is completely possible that the mother truly didn't realize anything abnormal was going on until the more obvious reactions became apparent. I also think the "what kind of mother..." question was ridiculous. She undoubtedly thought she was doing what was best for her child. The mom of a vaccine injured baby deserves our pity, not our disdain. The prevailing mainstream idea is that vaccines are a good thing. Sadly, not everyone is as enlightened and knowledgeable as you are fortunate enough to be, apparently. You have to live and learn, as I can personally attest, and you don't always make the right decision. I'm rambling, now, but I guess that question rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like she stood by while a nurse said "now I'm going to beat your child w/ a club".

[Ruthla]

Originally Posted by Gitti

What kind of person would do that to a child? What kind of mother would allow this to continue? :sad

Originally Posted by dymanic

What kind of person would ask such a question?

What kind of health care provider thinks that all these vaccines at once are a good idea for a baby?

[dymanic]

Originally Posted by angelpie545

The kind of person who cares deeply about this child's well-being and comfort.

As opposed to his obvously callous and indifferent mother.

I dont think it was meant as an attack on the mother's part

Does it seem the sort of question that might be percieved by the mother as an attack, and which might indeed inflict a fairly deep wound, regardless of the intent?

If I was at the doctor's office and they were performing a procedure that is voluntary, such as immunization, and my child started having a reaction of was suffering apart from that which is normal, of course I would stop it immediately.

In other words, knowing what you know, based on the best information available to you, and on a high degree of trust you place in the sources from which you obtained that information, you'd know to stop it immediately (provided that you had time to do so; paying close attention to the chronology of the account, it sounds like the jabbing was pretty much a done deal before the more pronounced symptoms appeared -- which is all moot anyway, since I'm guessing you wouldn't have even been there in the first place).

I suspect that she was the "kind of mother" who, based on what she knew, and on trust she placed in others, probably felt she was doing the best she could for her baby.

I suspect that the "kind of person" who would ask what kind of mother she was is one who, perhaps without even realizing it, presumes to be in possession of the moral high ground, on the basis of having gained a more penetrating insight.

I suspect that the kind of person who would ask "what kind of person would ask such a question" might be one who, like a newly-reformed smoker or a recently born-again Christian, is keenly sensitive to certain types of transgressions on the part of others precisely because he is so keenly aware of similar transgressions of which he himself has been guilty in the past.

Like me, for instance.

Knowing more than somebody else doesn't give anyone a right to be hurtful, and carelessness is a poor excuse. And sticking to that isn't as easy for some of us as it may be for others. And those of us who are prone to this may benefit from having it pointed out, even if we don't like it so much. If you catch me doing it, fire away.

[dallaschildren]

It's not about the mother. It's about the child. The child suffered. The child is forced to live with it. Period.

DC

[InfoisPower]

Originally Posted by Gitti
What kind of person would do that to a child? What kind of mother would allow this to continue? :sad

I have a couple of answers to that:
1) a mother too distracted to realise an abreaction
2) a mother who has been fed a line of Bravo Sierra to believe that it was a normal and expected reaction.

[angelpie545]

I appreciate what some of you are saying regarding the question asked, and honestly, when you hear a story like that, from a reader's prespective, some of us just get that "mother bear" feeling. You feel yourself asking, what mother would allow that to be done to her baby? Even though realisitcally you know that other factors must have come into play, in your heart you feel a different way.

I think that it is every parent's obligation to research and fully understand that benefits, risks, and possible implications of every medical procedure reccomended for their child, including vaccination. I think it's important that you research every side of every issue, again, including vaccination. The problem with that is: A) Vaccines are so mainstream and so praised no one thinks to question B) Those who do are demeaned and punished for questioning "the authority" C) There is so much misinformation and on both sides of the issue it's hard for anyone to pick it apart and decipher truth from fiction, and there certainly aren't many medical professionals who would risk ruining their good name by admitting that vaccines have many more risks than is publicly acknowledged.

[jojospok23]

Originally Posted by angelpie545

I appreciate what some of you are saying regarding the question asked, and honestly, when you hear a story like that, from a reader's prespective, some of us just get that "mother bear" feeling. You feel yourself asking, what mother would allow that to be done to her baby? Even though realisitcally you know that other factors must have come into play, in your heart you feel a different way.

Couldn't have put it better...

[Tamee]

Originally Posted by Nanners

You have to live and learn, as I can personally attest, and you don't always make the right decision.

I agree. I let them give shots to Abryn, my 19 week old daughter, because I didn't know whether or not to trust my instincts. I had heard there was an argument about vaxs, but I just didn't know FOR SURE. But after that doctor's visit I knew that I had betrayed my daughter and I just felt horrible. The next time at the doctor we politely refused and they politely acknowledged my decision without question and provided me with the paper to sign regarding the refusale to vaccinate. And I felt so good about having stuck to my gut. However, I did have to let them vaccinate her the first time in order to KNOW that I never wanted them to do it again. Not without Abryn's consent.

[dymanic]

Originally Posted by dallaschildren

It's not about the mother. It's about the child. The child suffered. The child is forced to live with it. Period.

Right. The callous indifferent mother was no doubt completely unfazed anyway by the experience of watching her baby's eyes roll back in his head.

By the way, do you actually, like, have any kids of your own?

[Deborah]

Originally Posted by dymanic

Right. The callous indifferent mother was no doubt completely unfazed anyway by the experience of watching her baby's eyes roll back in his head.

By the way, do you actually, like, have any kids of your own?

Dymanic, this is exactly the tone of remark that you just criticized! How about taking a deep breath, read back through the entire thread, and try to understand the different points of view? It is possible to point out that someone said something hurtful without pouring accelerant on the fire.

Deborah

[ERSsmom]

Seriously.

[dallaschildren]

I don't feel much like fishing tonight my dear.

[dymanic]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Dymanic, this is exactly the tone of remark that you just criticized! How about taking a deep breath, read back through the entire thread, and try to understand the different points of view? It is possible to point out that someone said something hurtful without pouring accelerant on the fire.

Okay, okay. Point taken. I knew I could count on you people to help me with this. It's just... the idea that a child's suffering could be considered something that could exist independent of a parent's suffering -- especially when the parent's choice was a factor -- seems strange and foreign to me. As a parent.

Let me ask this:

Can any parent be reasonably expected to meet the "obligation to research and fully understand that benefits, risks, and possible implications of every medical procedure reccomended for their child"

if

"there is so much misinformation and on both sides of the issue it's hard for anyone to pick it apart and decipher truth from fiction"

?

Some of them are computer illiterate. Some are illiterate illiterate. Some of them have to work. Is parenthood a privilege that comes only with having plenty of spare time and a library card (or an internet connection)?