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post #21 of 54
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Actually this is not true. You can refuse to let them take your baby. It's your baby. If you won't hand the baby over, what are they going to do, wrestle it away?

-Angela
It doesnt matter what hospital policy is. You can check your baby out of the hospital and yourself and leave, or just your baby out and they cant do a damn thing.

I have had three biological children and only one was "kept" from me. However, she did have a medical necessity that I didn't completely understand at the time and that was the reason for our seperation. (we have ABO incompatibility and she had dangerously high bilirueben)
For the next two children, they did not go to the nursery unless I sent them. They stayed with me the entire time, even in recovery after my csections. Jack went to the nursery the second night because I just needed some sleep and I wanted him to have a bath (he started to stink) and they were going to do his hearing screen. He was there I believe three hours and was brought to me when he woke up for a feeding. Katie, the last baby born to us, was with us in our room the entire time unless we accompianed her to the nursery. She had ABO incompatibility and was jaundice at birth. All of her light therapy was done in our room, even though some of the nurses complained. Also, the pediatrician came to our room for the eval because I wouldn't let them take her. Surely if the ped is going to come to my room to tell me about the eval, they can do it right there. I walked her to the nursery for a bath (because frankly, she was nasty) and then another time to do her hearing screen. Both times I was welcomed to just hang out in the nursery and talk to the other moms and nurses. No big deal.
They can't legally FORCE you to put your baby in the nursery. How insane.

Note: Our hospital does have a policy about csection moms, or moms on drugs being left unattended with a newborn. There must be another adult in the room. This is something I did respect because it is not uncommon for csection moms to pass out in the bathroom or have spells. Someone is with me at all times so there is not a "medical" reason to remove my child. I just think this is common sense.
post #22 of 54
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
They can't legally FORCE you to put your baby in the nursery. How insane.

Well there you have it, hell is now freezing over because OTF and I agree on something



-Angela
post #23 of 54
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Well there you have it, hell is now freezing over because OTF and I agree on something



-Angela



I knew it was getting chilly down here.
post #24 of 54
And hey, anything that you and I can agree on, MUST be true, eh?

-Angela
post #25 of 54
ive had 3 babies, 2 in the hospital. they can not legally require you to consent to anything. you hvae to give free consent. if you dont agree, tell them you do NOT consent. period.

good luck!
post #26 of 54
in short: yes, they can force you to send your baby to a nursery and they can indeed report you to CPS if you don't comply or even if you leave the hospital early.



crazy but this is also where we get the "legitimacy" that gets courts to rule in favor of doctors who do things like force women to get a c-section. s even if you don't give your consent, they can get around it if they really want to by saying that you are not making a judgement in the best interest of your child (or yourself in some cases).... doctors are given an extraordinary amount of power, and power that is completely backed by the judicial system.

happy facism, America.
post #27 of 54
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Originally Posted by Aura_Kitten View Post
in short: yes, they can force you to send your baby to a nursery and they can indeed report you to CPS if you don't comply or even if you leave the hospital early.

They can NOT force you. They can report you to CPS for anything they wish.

One of oh-so-many reasons to homebirth.

-Angela
post #28 of 54
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
They can NOT force you. They can report you to CPS for anything they wish.

One of oh-so-many reasons to homebirth.

-Angela


ok then can we define "force"?

i could say they "forced" my best friend to put her baby in the nursery for observation, and by that i mean that they called security on her and also told her that she would have all the rest of her kids taken away if she didn't comply. i would say that's being "forced" into it, and that the hospital got away with it. but maybe we're defining "force" differently. ?
post #29 of 54
and yes definitey a reason to homebirth!!
post #30 of 54
That's awful that they did that to your friend. Fact of the matter is though, baby is yours (well, hers...). Sadly, they do bully in many ways.

-Angela
post #31 of 54
This is baffling! I gave birth at two different hospitals in SoCal, and at both the staff stressed again and again that the baby was not to be separated from the parents at any time (barring medical emergency). There was no nursery, except NICU. The only exam that couldn't be performed in the room was a hearing test, which the parents were encouraged to attend.

You might call to find out whether the hospital has a patients' advocate, and see if s/he has any legal info for you. Also, read any paperwork that you're asked to sign very carefully. And definitely plan to have a family member with you at all times to handle any pushy people.
post #32 of 54
(I just wanted to add that although I had mostly positive hospital experiences, I'm planning to have a homebirth next time.)
post #33 of 54
No they can't force you to send baby to nursery. My first was a transfer and never went to the nursery.
post #34 of 54
at Alegna and OTF. I should put that on my calendar ladies

I have a friend who gave birth at my "favorite" Conveyor Belt TechnoBirth facility. She was all gung-ho "nobody's takin' my baby!" before she went in. After a failed induction (her doc even told her it would fail, geez!) she had a c/s. Then she became quite the victim, literally and figuritively. She was tethered (by tubes) to a bed and drugged from here to oblivion. So she was rather incapable of pretty much anything. The baby was taken, a bottle was given...a year later, she's still upset about all of this. I remind her that they did not have to take her baby and she says "oh but they did! THye told me so!" I shake my head and bury my face at every turn. She loved the whole experience overall though (!!!!) and can't wait to do it again...but next time she's going to be more adament about having the baby with her (and this time she'll make sure I'm there for the birth -- an ERCS *sigh*) Anyway, the point o fthat whole story is that no, they can't force you, but they certainly can coerce you.

Namaste, Tara
post #35 of 54
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Originally Posted by MamaTaraX View Post
Anyway, the point o fthat whole story is that no, they can't force you, but they certainly can coerce you.
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That's what it really comes down to.

-Angela
post #36 of 54
I just wanted to add that while they may not be able to force you to allow them to take the baby to the nursery, you have to understand that you may have to make the choice between allowing them to take baby and forfeitting care. The hospital I last birthed in did "allow" rooming in but the baby had to be taken to the nursery within an hour of birth and then in the morning and at night according to hospital protocol. Each time the baby was in the nursery for at least 2-3 hours. This is not "rooming in" IMO.

Yes, I could say no don't take my baby. But, that means I would have to sign an against medical advice waiver and forfeit medical care to my child. I can't force them to care for my child on my terms. They won't do it. WE aren't the only ones who can say no, the hospital can say no too. I never planned on staying at the hospital after the birth and only stayed for 24 hours as it was. The only reason I stayed that long is because his first apgar was a 4 and he had to be rescusitated. His coloring just didn't look right for a long time and it scared me. I felt that something might be wrong but in hind sight I think I was just paranoid and a little traumatized and wish I would have just gone right home. Anywho, I wanted him to be checked out by a pediatrician like all the other babies in the hospital do but they would not check him out unless I allowed him to go to the nursery. I'm sure if he stopped breathing or an emergency happened they would have come to me but that is the only way. I would also have to forfeit him being weighed, measured, and all the other newborn screening (most of which I was declining anyway). I think if you aren't going to let the baby go to the nursery in a hospital that doesn't come to your room to provide care then you might as well go home right away. There isn't much point to being there otherwise. You can't force them to come to your room to do it.
post #37 of 54
You can't force them to your room to do it...though you can go with them when they do anything. You can take the baby yourself and be right there. I assure you they'll get their stuff done faster if you are standing right there (personal experience). I saw babies lay for hours whereas my baby I took down, they gave him a once over, and handed him right back. Because I was there. When they did the first PKU, I stood at the window and watched. I handed him to the nurse, she had him for less than two minutes, and handedhim right back. I saw another baby do it too and she took him in, and laid him in a bassinette afterwards for who knows how long. So if you do send ababy to the nursery, go with them.

Namaste, Tara
post #38 of 54
actually nope, they don't allow the parents in at the hospital I birthed at. Though my dh did follow them and wait outside the window the whole time and if anything it made them take longer because they were spiteful. At this hospital the only time they allow a parent to go in the nursery is for the immediate screening right after birth and it has to be the dh or partner/coach because the mama is "recovering". I figured I'd go anyway since I had nothing to recover from but then I did have some bleeding that wasn't under control so I wasn't in a position to go. It ended up taking longer than the normal stay in the nursery b/c my dh was right there telling them what we didn't want and they actually obliged, but that ended up causing more problems. His body temp was elevated and it took 3 peds to figure out why. They had overheated him in the warmer. They heated him up just like they do babies who get a bath and need to be rewarmed, but since we declined the bath (to get my baby back sooner) it over heated him and he stayed in way longer. Sucky.
post #39 of 54
Ugh--I'm going through this right now as well. Was planning a homebirth and rec'd concurrent care throughout the pregnancy. Well, it's a long story, but I had to change practices at 38 1/2 weeks (GRRRR). Last night dh and I took a tour at the hospital (he is now against a h/b--yet another long story). Everything went fine till we got to the nursery. The head of the nursery happened to be on last night and told us in no uncertain terms that our baby, just like ALL babies would be staying in the nursery for at least 2 hours shortly after the birth. Parents are NOT allowed :

I told her that we wanted all newborn assessments done at my bedside and that we would not be having our baby go to the nursery unless there was a medical reason. I asked her why she felt it was so important to take our baby to the nursery and she told me that she HAD to give it a bath and HAD to watch it's temperature. I told her that I wanted to give the baby her first bath and that I wasn't comfortable at all with them taking my kid. (And, anyway, doesn't giving them a bath LOWER their temp?) She was polite, but firm and told me that this is the procedure and that we would have to deal with it. DH could stand in the hallway and watch :

Well, I was not happy with her answers needless to say and decided that I would call today and speak with the head of nursing on the OB floor. She told me the magic words to say:

"Please notify the nursery that I want non-separation" upon arrival and also put it in writing.

Now, I do not know if this works at other hospitals, but it's certainly worth a try and I would suggest speaking with the head of the L&D department ahead of time. Had I not done so, I know there would be fighting at the hospital. In fact, there may still be, but I know that it's a bendable rule now.

It stinks that we have to fight for our rights like this.
post #40 of 54
I think it definitely depends on if you have someone with you- a must really as you don't know what you are going to feel like- even if with non- med- non-intervention birth I did not feel like walking around- 2 days with no sleep. Also, I think the birth plan helps and not just believing them when they say they "have" to do anything. I heard that so many times before Luke was born, but I never gave it an option. The brochure advertises rooming-in and that's what I expected. Also, on the ped, I think that depends on the ped you have. Mine came straight to my room- and then changed Luke's meconium stained diaper.
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