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post #1 of 22
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After calling several dentists in my area (we just moved to north Austin,Tx from Tennessee)I can not find a dentist that will allow me into the room with my 5 yr old daughter! I simply can not understand the logic behind this "rule". I would never let my child go into a doctor's appointment by herself, and they have NEVER asked me to leave the room. Why is a dentist so different? My dd has a bad problem with grinding her teeth at night. She has already chipped her front tooth, and her back tooth was chipped and is now decaying and painful. She has gone through surgeries and medical testings several times in the past 10 months (not dental related) and was always scared but very cooperative as long as I was there and able to comfort her. I know my child, and I know that she would completely freak out if I took her to a dentist and just LEFT her in the room for them to do whatever they want with her. I will not allow my child to be strapped to anything...how traumatizing!
I understand that they mainly don't want the parents to interfere or faint or knock out a doctor because he is causing discomfort to their child. But I would even be willing to stand out of my child's view in the doorway! As long as she knows I'm right there.

I had an incident in Nashville with my then 10 year old daughter 3 years ago. I was told over the phone that I would be allowed in the back with my child and on the first visit I did go back with her for the initial first exam and cleaning. But when she had to come back a week later for a cavity filling they told me I was not allowed back there with her. (I had chosen this dentist because they said over the phone that parents were allowed to stay with their children)
At the first visit the dentist told me she would need two minor surface fillings that would not require novicane. When they told me I could not go to the back with her on the second visit, they led her away while I stood there for several minutes dumbfounded. I finally got control of myself and quietly went and stood in the doorway. I watched for a few minutes while a different dentist I had never met was about to inject her with novicane (which I had just told her on the way there was NOT going to happen and had also told her that I would be with her the entire time) but before I could say anything a nurse ordered me to go back to the waiting area. I whispered that I would feel more comfortable standing in the doorway to observe and that is when the dentist lost his cool. He stood up, yanked off his gloves and THREW them over my daughter and across the room. He then stormed out of the room and cussed all the way down the hall to his private office where I could hear him in there ranting and cussing away. A little dramatic don't you think? My daughter started crying and we left (and reported them to the ADA and BBB).

Ugh, so is anyone else on the same boat as I am on this issue? I am not an interfering person, I am not squemish and I understand that kids will sometimes cry like they are being killed with the smallest of discomfort. I simply want to BE THERE. I don't want my child surrounded by strangers in an unfamiliar place with drills and novicane running through their imaginations and mom nowhere to be found. How hard is it to give a parent a CHANCE?

Dawn
post #2 of 22
I feel ya mama. I'm in Denver and need to get my kids in to be seen but have the same concerns. The one time my dd went they would not allow me back with her. I didn't know before the appointment and had my 2nd child with me so I wasn't prepared. We waited in the front area and she did great, no cavities, no problems, she was awesome. And she was verbal enough to tell me what happened. BUT then a few weeks later I see the same office on the news with reports of children being strapped down on boards and their hands tied together if they wouldn't sit still and this freaked me out!!! It made me wonder if that's why they don't allow parent's back. The report did say that most children cooperate fine but other's need to be physically restrained during procedures. So of course I will never go back there again but from what I've heard it seems like standard practice to not let parents be there. My dd is also never away from me unless it's with someone I trust so I will be looking for somewhere that "lets" me come back with her.
post #3 of 22
I can't imagin! I would never let a child that young go alone into an exam room with anyone! Have you tried a pediatric dentist? Maybe just make an appointement with someone a friend recommends or the most promising...then just go back when they are ready. If they ask you not to, I would say you will stay with dd or both leave...their choice. I can't believe any Dr. would turn you away. Maybe thier office staff are just being difficult?

Good luck!
post #4 of 22
Try a dental school.

I've heard of others having good luck with being able to stick around.
post #5 of 22
I'm amazed that most dentists won't let parents go back. As a nurse in a children's hospital we would always encourage the parents to stay the night with the kids. It was better for everyone involved. How traumatic for a young child not to have a parent in any examening room! I think that is really horrible. After the health journey we've been on with dd I don't trust ANY medical or dental professional blindly.
post #6 of 22
I'm with you, Dawn. I wouldn't go along with that. There is a pediatric dentist here who even lets you hold your child in your lap. I looked on the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry web site to see what they say.

In the "Clinical Guidelines" section there is a document called "Behavior Guidance for the Pediatric Dental Patient" that says the following about parental presence/absence (I bolded the part that I think may be useful):

The presence or absence of the parent sometimes can be used to gain cooperation for treatment. A wide diversity exists in practitioner philosophy and parental attitude regarding parents' presence or absence during pediatric dental treatment. Parenting styles in America have evolved in recent decades. Practitioners are faced with challenges from an increasing number of children who many times are ill- equipped with the coping skills and self-discipline necessary to deal with new experiences in the dental office. Frequently, parental expectations for the childĂ­s behavior are unrealistic, while expectations for the dentist who guides their behavior are great.

Practitioners agree that good communication is important among the dentist, patient, and parent. Practitioners also are united in the fact that effective communication between the dentist and the child is paramount and requires focus on the part of both Official but unformatted parties. ChildrenĂ­s responses to their parentsĂ­ presence or absence can range from very beneficial to very detrimental. Each practitioner has the responsibility to determine the communication and support methods that best optimize the treatment setting recognizing his/her own skills, the abilities of the particular child, and the desires of the specific parent involved.

Objectives: The objectives of parental presence/absence are to:
1. gain the patientĂ­s attention and improve compliance;
2. avert negative or avoidance behaviors;
3. establish appropriate dentist-child roles;
4. enhance effective communication among the dentist, child, and parent;
5. minimize anxiety and achieve a positive dental experience.

Indications: May be used with any patient.

Contraindications: Parents who are unwilling or unable to extend effective support (when asked).
post #7 of 22
If you are in Austin - have you joined the Austin Attached Families yahoo group? Its for AP moms, and I seem to recall a post listing AP friendly dentists a while back. They do exsit!!! Let me go do a search for you - but I highly encourage you to join up, there is some great information passed around on that list in regards to local resources.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by WendyC View Post
If you are in Austin - have you joined the Austin Attached Families yahoo group? Its for AP moms, and I seem to recall a post listing AP friendly dentists a while back. They do exsit!!! Let me go do a search for you - but I highly encourage you to join up, there is some great information passed around on that list in regards to local resources.
Wow, THANKS!!! I'll see about joining this. Thanks a lot!!!
post #9 of 22
There is no way on this earth either of my kids will be seeing a dentist without me in the room or at the door. There is no compromise with this for me. It is to dangerous. All those stories you see on tv about how a little one is mistreated or molested only happened when the child was alone with the dentist. It took me 3 tries to find a dentist that was ok with parents in the room.

I can totally understand the issue of the room being small so I will be more than willing to stand outside the door with the door open were I can see in. It is crazy that they have this rule. I was told that the kids usually do better when the parents are not there my answer to that was "I dont care if she/he would be a perfect angel without me there it wasnt gonna happen" I mean even tho this person is a dentist dosnt mean they wont hurt a child. And to me they are a stranger just like someone I see at the store. I would never consider leaving my kids with someone I dont know.
post #10 of 22
Stay in the room with your child. Period. It should be a right of any and all parents. I would refuse to leave. My dentist is actually so amazing. He's me and dh's dentist but he takes the boys too. He's amazing. Come to California!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/...s/dentist_coma
post #11 of 22
That is ridiculous!! I wouldn't stand for it.

Have you tried a small town located near your larger one? It might be more of a drive but it would be worth it if you found a better dentist. I take my kids to a dentist in a small town near us....and my children sit on my lap if I want!
post #12 of 22
Try a holistic dentist, they are often more AP-friendly. You can find one through http://www.holisticdental.org/
post #13 of 22

No Matter What - Stay with your child!!

I have a 14 month old who needs to go to the dentist for the first time and I am scared to death. I am actually getting upset just typing this, but I think it will help me to get the warning out to all you moms.

I was physically and emotionally abused by my dentist as a child! I am serious. At a very young age my older sister and I went to the dentist together. They would not let my mom go into the back with us and I got understandibly upset and cried. They still refused and she was not the kind of mom to complain or question policies.

He was a big man with big hands for a little girl who only wanted to see her mom. I cried and he grabbed my jaws hard, shook my head from side to side, pushed me back in the chair and yelled at me to shut up. He scared me so bad I peed my pants. Literally.

To this day I am still angry with myself that I didn't know what to tell my mom or how to get her to understand that he hurt me and scared me. Of course mine was a good mom who took us every 6 months for our check up and I always had cavities so I would have to come back again. Each time the dentist was mean and scarey, would make me cry and hurt my jaws. I would physically shake all over like I had the chills when we left the house until we returned. I would lie and say I was cold because I was so very scared of the guy. One time I had a loose front tooth. He was resting his big hand on my bottom jaw really hard and I tried to moan and let them know it hurt - with that big hand in my mouth I couldn't talk. He just kept pushing down harder. I will never forget it it - when he pulled his hand out of my mouth my loose tooth was stuck in his thumb. That's how hard he was pushing on my jaw.

Of course, he was one of those smart abusers. He would seperate me and my sister and then be really nice to her - she was older and told my mom all the time how much she liked him. She even had braces with the guy. When I saw how often she had to go to the dentist with her braces I begged and begged my mom not to make me get braces. She said it would be up to the dentist. I remember through 5th and 6th grades pushing on my teeth at school to try to make them straight. I never prayed so hard in my life either. I guess I was properly motiviated by fear because dentists still tell me how nice and straight my teeth are and almost don't believe me when I say I didn't have braces. So I dodged the braces, but he made up for it with cavities. All my baby teeth but the front ones were filled or capped. He even went after most of my perminents until I finally hit an age where I could go to the dentist that my parents went to. And believe me, I begged them constantlly to let me go to a different dentist.

I don't think I even realized how bad that dentist had scared and abused me as a child - until I went to a different one. I couldn't believe that I didn't shake at all. Just seeing someone else made that much of a difference. But after a few visits, I thought he was lying about cavities that he said I had. Once I got to college and could choose my own dentist, I tried a different one and surprise, surprise that cavity my parent's dentist wanted to fill wasn't found by the new dentist and to this day has not shown up again.

So here's my warning to all you parents - never leave your child alone with a dentist! There's no place else that we take our young children and leave them unattended while we wait in the lobby so why should we do it with the dentist? If they refuse to let you go back - leave immediately. If they have nothing to hide they will let you go back. If there's a problem they'll put up a fuss. Protect your children - you're all they've got!

And don't always trust a dentist if they say your child has a cavity. They lie. I know it, I have caught at least 2 of them in that lie. Make them prove it or get a second opinion.

To this day I still have problems going to the dentist and I don't want my son to experience what I did. I'll do what it takes to find someone who will let me stay with him and I'll take him out of the place - finished or not if I feel anything is going wrong.

My mom and I still don't talk about my dentist experience. When it occasionally comes up she just dismisses me by saying she did the best she could. Don't get me wrong, I have a great mom and love her so much. Even now she's really helpful and great to me.

But I indent to do better.
post #14 of 22
I hear you - I've talked to several ped dentists who don't allow parents to come back, and it really raises red flags for me. DS just comes to my GP with me. I'm sorry for your experience.
post #15 of 22

Thanks for the comment

Yeah, I see it as one of those live and learn experiences. I will definately be more sensitive to my kids and how they are feeling because of my experiences. I am actually glad it happened to me and not to my son. If I'd had a good dental experience, I would probably be more trusting and I would hate for him to experience what I did.

Just watch out for those little guys, they really need us to protect them as much as possible!
post #16 of 22
my dad's a ped. dentist in Waco and is the only one in his area that allows the parents to stay. He doesn't really understand why others are so firmly against parents being w/ their kids. Anyway, I hope you find someone who will work with you. I don't know that I'd let my kids back there alone. How scary! And to the PP, that is such a sad story about the abusive dentist. Wow. How sad. Thanks for sharing.....and I'm sorry you had to deal w/ that.....
post #17 of 22
I remembe my mom walking out of a dentist office because they wouldnt let her go back with my little brother.

I am scared to death of the dentist, hmm maybe there is a reason why...

My kids just went a few weeks ago. I let my 8 yo go back alone, only because I had 3 other kids with me. But with my 4 1/2 yo, I went with her and everything was fine.
I would walk out too if they said I couldnt go back. That is rediculous. Why dont drs do this? what is the reasoning they dont let you go back?
post #18 of 22
My dd was 34 mos, and had her first dentist visit. This guy was a renowned pediatric dentist, and i read on the brochure that they dont like the parents to go back , but they allow it on the first visit.

I got there, and they opened the door for her...the nurse said she would just "take her back, and we'll call you if she needs you"

ummm

Hell no.

I pretty much in a nice way said " Its her first visit, and besides, we dont hand our children off to strangers"

so i went back and sat on a little bench in the room, and i felt so sorry for dd.

She marched in there so bravely, and then those nurses were crappy. Absolutely crappy.

The hygenist was good, but the nurses were short and snippy, and the one who sat on the seat with her kept saying " No, Stop, Be Quiet!"

I was pissed.

The Dentist was great, the hygenist was nice, but the nurses sucked.

We wont go back. The nurse was really pissed and told me that next time I would NOT be allowed to go back.

Then I'll take my $150 bucks and go elsewhere.
post #19 of 22
My kids go to my dentist and he and the hygenists invite us to stay in the "room" with the kids. It is all pretty open, no confined rooms, just dental chair areas, with partition walls on three sides (if that makes sense). It is a pretty small practice, 1 dentist and three hygenists (one of which is his daughter), and they are all really nice and patient to me and to the kids. He just loats among the chais and does his thing. They don't hassle me about flouride treatments, or try and "upsell" other treatments.

I had a not so nice dentist as a teenager and I stopped going to the dentist for about 15 years. And *gasp*, there was no long term damage done. I have full dental coverage, so we go regularly, but I we didn't, I probably wouldn't (despite the fact that I like them all well enough).
post #20 of 22
There was recently a huge scandal here about several dental offices that would not allow parents back with the kids. They would restrain them, the kids would scream and fight and cry for their parents, they wouldn't alert the parents...one of the kids came out bloody & bruised, and that's when legal action resulted. I almost took my son to one of these offices for dental work. The only reason I didn't was because they wouldn't let me go back with him.
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