or Connect
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Pregnancy and Birth › Understanding Circumcision › "well child" checks in prepubescent boys
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

"well child" checks in prepubescent boys

post #1 of 60
Thread Starter 
Another thread made me wonder about something--the one where the 12 year old was circ'd. This line:

New hubby took the boy to get his checkup and the ped said he had a very tight foreskin and that he should be circumcised.

Is it normal for a doctor to "test" a foreskin in a male child???? I mean, if there are problems with it, I can understand if the parent or the child asks the doctor to take a look...but is it wrong of me to think that if a doctor retracted my healthy, non-foreskin-problem-having 12 year old, my gut reaction would be to deck him??
post #2 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by dynamohumm6 View Post
but is it wrong of me to think that if a doctor retracted my healthy, non-foreskin-problem-having 12 year old, my gut reaction would be to deck him??
I'm with you!

Laura
post #3 of 60
Quote:
Is it normal for a doctor to "test" a foreskin in a male child????
I wouldnt be surprised if some dr do this since they seem to find the intact penis so facanating : As for normal no it shouldnt be.


Quote:
I mean, if there are problems with it, I can understand if the parent or the child asks the doctor to take a look...but is it wrong of me to think that if a doctor retracted my healthy, non-foreskin-problem-having 12 year old, my gut reaction would be to deck him??
Yep if there was a problem and they asked that would be reasonable. My reaction as well would be the same as yours. There is just no need to have it checked as part of the routine. This has actually been a worry of mine about taking ds in for physicals as he gets older.



It peeves me off no end that the words "please dont touch my son's foreskin" even have to come out of my mouth. : No one would ever dream of having to tell a dr. "please dont dont force my daughters vagina open"
post #4 of 60
I'm w/ you on that one. ALthough I have to admit, our ped does take a peek at the "boys" (that's actually his wording: "I just need to take a quick peek at the boys down here." ) THe difference is that our ped does NOT try to retract. He checks to make sure the testes are dropped and he does look at the tip of the penis, but he does not retract. I consider retracting a boy's penis to be very similar to spreading a little girls' vulva open "to take a look." NOT APPROPRIATE if there isn't something wrong down there!
post #5 of 60
Okay, perspective from Hong Kong (that's where DH was born & raised)


When he had his annual check-up at 10 or 11 (I can't remember which) the doctor asked him if he'd been washing under his foreskin. DH had no idea what he was talking about. He didn't know that it would become retractable! The doctor told him to wash underneath when he got home if it pulled back, and if it didn't pull back just wash the outside until it became easy to pull it back.


The doctor didn't try to retract, just gave him instructions - that was it. DH didn't have a father around growing up and I am assuming that since his grandmother & aunt raised him, they simply washed off the outside and didn't give him any more instructions than that.

On the flip side, his younger cousin was diagnosed by a different doctor for Phimosis as a young child : : : The doctor ordered a circumcision. DH remembers helping to carry his cousin home from the surgery in his arms and there was blood seeping through his clothing. He said he cannot get that image out of his head. :




- Kira
post #6 of 60
I went to many well-child checks when I was a kid and I don't think they ever checked my genitals. I'm sure if I had a problem, they would have checked. But until my first gyno exam at 16, not one doctor even saw me without my underwear.

Is there something they are supposed to check on boys that I'm unaware of? I imagine when idiot doctors see a foreskin, they flip out, but why does the underwear have to come off in the first place?
post #7 of 60
The main thing the dr's check for is decended testicles up till a year or 2 and hernias then and later. A hernia can turn into a very dangerous thing and in young kids they really cant tell you if something is off and some older boys dont realize that they have something there out of the ordinary. I was tempted to tell the dr not to even look under his diaper/underware since he has no problem but I am afraid that he might get a hernia and then it would cause major issues before I knew there was a problem.

I am still torn about having him checked because of the retraction risk but I dont wanna risk missing a hernia either.
post #8 of 60
Dan has always had a checkup every January since he was born. They have always did the standard physical genital checks for him, feel his testicles, and have him cough. His pediatrician from when he was 2 until 12 every year recomended that he be circumcised, but never tried to forcibly retract him. He would look at the opening and tell us that the foreskin was still fused to his glans, and when it did detatch when he was 11, he finally took aways his circ recomendation.

We havnt ever had a DR thats forcibly retracted Dan. Now that Dan is retractable, his dr does however retract him. She says .... "I'm going to retract your foreskin now, is that OK with you? ... Good, now if it hurts or feels weird say so right away."

I've always considered that normal.
post #9 of 60
Quote:
Now that Dan is retractable, his dr does however retract him. She says .... "I'm going to retract your foreskin now, is that OK with you? ... Good, now if it hurts or feels weird say so right away."

But there is no medical reason for her to retract him. There is no more point in retracting even if retractable than there is having a 11-12 yo girl have a spetulum exam. If he is ok with it that is fine but still she is just looking for a reason to start up the circ talk again IMO.


As far as I know there is nothing in there to be seen. If a infection is present it will make itself known within 12-24 hours without ever seeing under the foreskin.
post #10 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandgeek View Post
Is there something they are supposed to check on boys that I'm unaware of? I imagine when idiot doctors see a foreskin, they flip out, but why does the underwear have to come off in the first place?
According to my pediatrician they check to make sure the testes don't retreat up into the groin. I'm not sure when they out grow needing that checked though, I thought it was a baby thing.
post #11 of 60
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wendy1221 View Post
I'm w/ you on that one. ALthough I have to admit, our ped does take a peek at the "boys" (that's actually his wording: "I just need to take a quick peek at the boys down here." ) THe difference is that our ped does NOT try to retract. He checks to make sure the testes are dropped and he does look at the tip of the penis, but he does not retract. I consider retracting a boy's penis to be very similar to spreading a little girls' vulva open "to take a look." NOT APPROPRIATE if there isn't something wrong down there!
I absolutely 100% agree, that's how I feel about it exactly.
post #12 of 60
In other countries from what I have read all this foreskin manipulation is unheard of by healthcare workers.
post #13 of 60
So, when will the Dr reccomend doing routine paps on prepubescent girls??

Same thing...

It's disgusting.

Yeah I'm gonna do a pap exam on your 6yr old DD now...

Umm SCREW YOU!!!

That's what most sane parents would say, but allowing their boys genitals to be fiddled with??? Not a single peep. it's so disturbing on so many levels..
post #14 of 60
: Pandora.

I went for well checks and I never had to take my undies off. Actually I have only ever taken them off for the gyno. So why would a boy have to drop trow? Don't say hernias, cause they checked me for those threw my clothing
post #15 of 60
If the hernia is in the scrotum the only way to check for those is by palpation. I dont see how they could do that thru clothing on a boy honestly.
post #16 of 60
That does seem really wierd to me. None of my kids have their genetalia looked at after a year, unless there is a specific reason. My ds hadnt had anyone look "down there" since he was maybe 6 months old, until a few months ago when he crushed his foreskin on a cart (ouchies!). In fact, now that I think about it, my kids dont even get undressed for their well child visits! Only the baby does to get an accurate weight-the older two NEVER get undressed, again, unless there is a specific reason. Definately not at well child visits. Honestly, that would kind of creep me out....esp with a male doctor (I know, thats totally sexist, but thats just the way I feel).
post #17 of 60
I see no reason for a doctor to retract the foreskin, especially if there is no sign of infection. I don't believe my sons ever went through this at their check-ups.
post #18 of 60
On the flip side, his younger cousin was diagnosed by a different doctor for Phimosis as a young child : : : The doctor ordered a circumcision. DH remembers helping to carry his cousin home from the surgery in his arms and there was blood seeping through his clothing. He said he cannot get that image out of his head. :




- Kira[/QUOTE]

OMG Kira- I am so sorry your dh had to go through that. I had no idea- that is horrifying.

As far as a doc opening a girls labia and checking a boys foreskin I don't know why they are doing this! I would tell them to back off. As a baby, fine- the kids don't remember it, but as an older child? I NEVER remember my ped doing that to me. EVER. I remember when I got to be like 16 he recommended my mom take me to her OB/GYN.
post #19 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by MCatLvrMoMof2 View Post
If the hernia is in the scrotum the only way to check for those is by palpation. I dont see how they could do that thru clothing on a boy honestly.
One of my ds had double inguinal hernias with one side filling up the whole scrotum. There is no way you could *not* notice it if you are changing his diapers -- his scrotum was about 2-3X normal size and the skin was stretched tight.
post #20 of 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by bburnie2 View Post
As far as a doc opening a girls labia and checking a boys foreskin I don't know why they are doing this! I would tell them to back off. As a baby, fine- the kids don't remember it, but as an older child? I NEVER remember my ped doing that to me. EVER. I remember when I got to be like 16 he recommended my mom take me to her OB/GYN.
When I was 5 or 6, I remember my mom taking me to the doctors. She told me it was a checkup I needed for school -- but she had the doctor make me pull down my pants and underwear and lay back on my knees(even though I was fussing and saying "no")and spread open my vulva. The doc just looked is all(besides the cold fingers clasping my inner labia!!)...but you know, I still feel violated and lied to. I even remember the name of the doc and the whole thing very vividly. I don't know *what* my mother was doing...but even if she had a "good reason" to take me there and get me "checked out" -- how dare she lie to me! I've tried to confront her about it -- but she won't admit anything.

LOL sorry for rambling...bottom line is people need to keep their creepy hands away from children's genitals unless there is truly an issue!!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Understanding Circumcision
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Pregnancy and Birth › Understanding Circumcision › "well child" checks in prepubescent boys