Updated pics, toddler rash getting worse...PLEASE help!! - Page 2

[Siennaflower]

Looks like my daughters Roseola rash. This generally comes a week after the virus.

[Still_Learning]

Originally Posted by FlutterBee

Looks like my daughters Roseola rash. This generally comes a week after the virus.

See, I was wondering if it could be that. (hoping really) It's just so odd that it's on his legs instead of his torso.


I'm going to give it a couple more days to see what happens....

[Autumn Breeze]

Originally Posted by Still_Learning

So it's not oozy or seaping or anything like that. Wouldn't poison ivy do that? (please forgive my ignorance!!)

My poision ivy never oozes or seeps, that's usually poision oak or sumac. However I get PI very badly when I get it. It gets on me from one spot, and even if I wash it right away, I get it EVERYWHERE.

I have had the best luck with Cortizone creams, but if it's in a high contact area, I end up applying about 10 times a day.

Jewel Weed Tincture - which my midwife gave me while I was pregnant. I used it topically. I gave some to my dad about a week later and for both of us it was cleared up by day 3 of use. You can use this on bug bites or other itchy rashes too. You can also ingest it, though I don't remember how much my MW suggested for it. And she mentioned that if I had taken it orally, that I would become "immune" to poision ivy. I managed NOT to get it this year though, so I won't be able to test that until next year.



I'm not sure what you looked at in the drug store, but there is another good product called "Technu" which you can use both immediatly after contact, or after the rash has developed. Use it as a soap. Rinse the area, rub the technu on it for about 2 minutes, and rinse off. Careful not to scratch. They also have a itch relief product but I can't remember the name of it.I got it in a 2 pack (technu wash and the topical stuff)

I hope your Ped has called you back!

[Still_Learning]

Thanks so much everyone.

Ped did call back and said to just keep wathcing it and suggested cortisone cream.

I gave him 3 oatmeal baths today and kept Calimine lotion on it. Although it is still spreading, it's looking a bit less angry.

I have a sample of the jewelweed on the way!!

[Sijae]

That looks exactly like something my DD had when she was about a year old! It started with little red bumps and then they filled in to make a raised, red and rough rash. It changed in appearance as the days went by and spread all over her torso but I wasn't that worried. My husband insisted we see the Ped. I predicted he would tell us it was unexplained dermatitis and that's exactly what he said and to use cortisone cream

Anyway it eventually went away and didn't come back. I wouldn't freak out about it if she has no other symptoms that would indicate a larger problem. Sometimes kids just get mysterious little illnesses and their bodies take care of it on their own.

Laura

[mammom]

Hi Mama, I had poison ivy for the first time this summer and used apple cider vinegar on it - it stung a little at first, then it cleared up a couple of days later. My rash was on my forearem and was much smaller than your little guy's. I would try that. I've seen ACV recommended here several times for chicken pox (that it dries up the sores), so I thought I would try it and it worked great. I only used it once. You might need to use it a few more times since his rash is a little bigger. Mine stoped itching very soon after I applied it.

I agree with you that it's probably not viral - it should've started on his torso, or at least spread there by now!

Good luck!

Melissa

ETA - I agree with Laura in the post above mine that kids get odd things every now and then. I find the less intervention, usually the better. My ds is 2 1/2 and had two or three rashes last winter (I think they were all viral). I finally took him to the doc (D.O.) after the last one just to make sure it wasn't anythink I should worry about. That time it was roseola...

[monkeybum]

Trying to Help...

I know how scary it can be with unknown rashes, they seem like a symptom of everything.

I had impitego, it was more crusty and yellow/pussy, (sorry, TMI I know).

I am not a doctor, but I *believe* mennengococcol (sp?) is more bruised looking.

It's interesting that it seems to be a ring around his leg, was this by chance a cuff of a pair of shorts or can you think of anything that came in contact with that area of his leg?

This website goes through a number of questions/diagnosis about rashes, but I couldn't find one that fit your little guy. http://familydoctor.org/545.xml.

This is another good site I like: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003220.htm. You can find "rash" under "R". From what I've read and the pics, it really seems like poison ivy/oak/sumac. I sometimes give antihistamine (children's Benadryl) for allergic reactions. It can apparently calm the itch if it is an allergic reaction of some sort. I hate giving medication, but if your child needs sleep, it can help.

Skin rashes can also be as a result of an allergic reaction to medication - did he take medication when he was sick?

Good luck mamma, keep us posted!
Kathy.

[Still_Learning]

Thanks

He took Motrin a few times when he was sick, but nothing else.

I took him back to the ped today because he woke up with a small petechiae are (about the size of a quarter).

Doc still thinks it's nothing to worry about and will go away on it's own.
He said that since DS isn't scratching, he doesn't think it's poison ivy or an allergic reaction.

I told him that DS woke up and asked me to take his pants off last night. That I've never seen him scratch ANYTHING, even bug bites, so he's not one to scratch.

I just don't know.

It has spread to his underarm, belly and calves on both legs.

[Still_Learning]

So monkeybum has got me thinking.

Could this be a reaction to the Motrin?? He's had it in the past, but never 2 nigths in a row.

[~Megan~]

My best bet is Fifth's Disease. That's what it looks like to me. Perhaps set an appointment with a dermatologist and see if you can get in ASAP.

[rabrog]

I'd get in to a naturopath ASAP....maybe a dermatologist in the meantime. You may need a referral to get you in to a derm in a decent amount of time, BTW.

Jenn

[Still_Learning]

I'm going to call both a dermatologist AND a naturopath first thing Monday morning.

He woke up this morning at 5 am and couldn't go back to sleep because it was itching. It's so odd, the itching only nothers him when he's trying to sleep, he never scratches otherwise.

Yesterday the ped said "if he was scratching it I'd diagnose it differently" . Of course the morning after, he starts scratching...

[kaPOW!]

Poor babe. I hope he gets some relief soon. At least it hasn't been bothering him all day, I guess.

[Still_Learning]

So another BAD night last night. He woke up at midnight and was up until 4 scratching.

I can't wait until tomorrow morning when I can call the dermatologist. Sure hope they can get us in ASAP. Surely a pediatric dermatologist is used to fitting people in??

[kittywitty]

Originally Posted by Still_Learning

See, I was wondering if it could be that. (hoping really) It's just so odd that it's on his legs instead of his torso.


I'm going to give it a couple more days to see what happens....

Roseola blanches, isn't that shiny, and is usually fainter and more spread. Looks like poison ivy or oak to me. It could just be a viral rash, though. DD#1 has had several odd ones, but never looking like that.

[kittywitty]

Originally Posted by mamao'two

My best bet is Fifth's Disease. That's what it looks like to me. Perhaps set an appointment with a dermatologist and see if you can get in ASAP.

Fifth's is usually on the bum, and has a slapped cheek look. I had fifth's not too long ago, and it usually is more spread.

http://images.google.com/images?q=fi...m=10&hl=en&lr=

Roseola:

http://images.google.com/images?q=ro...m=10&hl=en&lr=

Usually when I would get ivy, it would not blister and weep. Only rarely. And mostly if I scratched.

Is there usually a lot of pressure where his rash is? i.e. pant cuffs, dipe pressure, laying on that part more. Because that would be why it is concentrated. I know hives tend to concentrate where there is pressure. Does the rash move around at all or change?

I would be suspicious of the Motrin and mention that to the doc. Hope the appt. goes well.

[monkeybum]

Get A Second Opinion

(sorry, don't know why this triple posted)!

[monkeybum]

Get A Second Opinion

(sorry again!)

[monkeybum]

Get A Second Opinion

I would definitely get into a Naturopath and Dermatologist as soon as you can. Poor little guy!

Is he in good spirits, normal behaviour etc otherwise? Does he have any other symptoms? I would be more concerned if he also had a fever or puffy eyes for example, or if the rash was turning to blisters.

Tell your Dr. he is scratching at home, don't down play it. I would like to hear what he would diagnosis it as! Maybe even go to a walk-in clinic if you can and see what another Dr. would say.

Also, again, I'm no doc, but I believe petechiae are small pin-head like tiny broken blood vessels, (sometimes from straining, severe coughing, vomiting - I have done much research on this b/c I have had them all over my torso since my first delivery). When you said he woke up with a small petechiae "the size of a quarter", did you mean one big one, or a cluster of small ones? If it's one big one the size of a quarter, that sounds more like Purpura, which can be a symptom of something much more serious. Purpura are larger areas of bleeding under the skin, (i.e. bigger than 5mm). If he has Purpura and a fever, I pesonally would take him to Emerg. Not to alarm you, but Petechiae that appear during illness, particularly with a fever can be a sign of infection in the blood, which can escalate quickly and could mean Meningococcus. Sudden onset of Purpura are not normal.

Note: if it's petechiae, (the small ones - 1-5mm) it's less serious, and this apparently can also be caused by an allergic reaction.

Interesting, taken from Motrin's website on allergic reactions to Children's Motrin.
Allergy alert: Ibuprofen may cause a severe allergic reaction, especially in people allergic to aspirin. Symptoms may include:
hives
facial swelling
asthma (wheezing)
shock
skin reddening
rash
blisters

From Healthsquare.com, on Motrin (I added bolding):
What side effects may occur?
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Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue taking Motrin.

More common side effects may include:
Abdominal cramps or pain, abdominal discomfort, bloating and gas, constipation, diarrhea, dizziness, fluid retention and swelling, headache, heartburn, indigestion, itching, loss of appetite, nausea, nervousness, rash, ringing in ears, stomach pain, vomiting

Less common or rare side effects may include:
Abdominal bleeding, anemia, black stool, blood in urine, blurred vision, changes in heartbeat, chills, confusion, congestive heart failure, depression, dry eyes and mouth, emotional volatility, fever, hair loss, hearing loss, hepatitis, high or low blood pressure, hives, inability to sleep, inflammation of nose, inflammation of the pancreas or stomach, kidney or liver failure, severe allergic reactions, shortness of breath, skin eruptions or peeling, sleepiness, stomach or upper intestinal ulcer, ulcer of gums, vision loss, vomiting blood, wheezing, yellow eyes and skin

Kathy.

[oliversmum2000]

it looked like my sons eczma till the last 2 pictures

could it be an allergic reaction to something?