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post #41 of 68
According to porter's milk diet the white poo is normal.

Anyone have any idea why some frozen raw goat milk I bought would taste like it is flavored with maple syrup? DD refused to drink it, so I gave it to older son and he said "taste this mom, it's flavored with maple syrup", I did, and it was very sweet and did taste like maple syrup was added.

Why? To cover up a goaty or bad milk? This is really concerning.
post #42 of 68
This just happens when you freeze goat milk. I highly doubt it has maple syrup in it. Sometimes thawing goat milk tastes almost like ice cream. I honestly have no idea why, though. But I like it!
post #43 of 68
White poop: sorry Bestbirths, yeah, that's totally normal. If memory serves, it becomes more yellow with time and I think that's a sign of good liver function. Maybe. It's been about nine months since I read the Porter book.
post #44 of 68
ok duh. I called my goat milk supplier. This time of year the goats eat maple leaves like they are potato chips....and that makes the milk taste sweet, like it's been flavored with maple syrup! What a riot! dd won't drink it but ds will, so it worked out.
post #45 of 68
Does anyone use the fermented milk and colostrum version of the milk diet? Heather Zimmerman recommended it.

My first ask for colostrum from a supplier, they said no, and hinted that people (like me) get so desperate they will do anything to get better.

We already make kefir, but I wasn't giving dd any....now that we know that the goat milk sometimes comes maple syrup flavored...I'm rethinking this. She loves kefir nog made with a raw egg, vanilla, spices, and honey. We could just pretend the goat ate the honey and an egg and some spices
post #46 of 68
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ok duh. I called my goat milk supplier. This time of year the goats eat maple leaves like they are potato chips....and that makes the milk taste sweet, like it's been flavored with maple syrup! What a riot! dd won't drink it but ds will, so it worked out.
Aha! That explains why my sister's milk does this (she lives in New England) sometimes. But I stlll think goat milk tastes sweeter after it's been frozen.
post #47 of 68
[QUOTE=Bestbirths;6503705]Does anyone use the fermented milk and colostrum version of the milk diet? Heather Zimmerman recommended it.

I didn't know there WAS a fermented milk and colostrum version. But I've done it! Actually, not quite. I did a 6 week monofast with goat milk yoghurt with lime juice and raw honey mixed in and then thinned to a drink consistency when I was recovering from being on steroids. I'm just about to do it again with homemade yoghurt made with colostrum and milk mixed. I've been having some hormone struggles since my DS's birth (2 years ago) and while he's still nursing, he's cut down enough that I think I can do this now. I've been have allergic reactions to EVERYTHING I eat. My throat swells up. I think my body needs a break (and some SLEEP).

This will probably sound wierd, but I used muscle-response testing to determine that this was the best way to go for me.
post #48 of 68
I would definitely use fermented milk and colostrum if you can. I don't care for plain kefir or yogurt but I've tried to do half milk and half kefir.
post #49 of 68
Did you call Heather Zimmerman or just read her reprint of the Porter book?
post #50 of 68
I called Heather and read her reprint of porters book. Then I re read the treatment part. We started giving dd one meal a day and making one kefir shake for her along with the goat milk all day...dd was complaining about being hungry for food.

I thought it would be great to give her three kefir shakes a day. I don't have enough kefir to do a whole gallon of milk. For some reason recently my kefir shrunk or some of it got lost when a kid strained it. The water kefir exploded though....theres 3 cups of it in a gallon jug....I know I need to look up what to do with it but with 30 people coming for thanksgiving....aggg...I think I'm just going to leave it and clean my house.

Heather is not kefiring her milk though, she is just fermenting it. It makes me wonder if kefir or even making yogurt with probiotics from the JaneS's directions as we have been doing would be a replacement for the fermenting Heather does.

I have a line on some colostrum but it is frozen....so I am going to give Heather another call because I have so many questions on the fermenting of the milk. She said that fermented milk needs to be fresh.

What does Heather mean by all the scary healing symptoms? Lately the girls have blisters on their lips and cancre sores and sores on the roofs of their mouths....I wonder if that is a healing sign.

dd is back on steroid eyedrops, and Porter says not to take other medicines when doing the milk cure, so there is another variation we are taking.

kbchavez-I use muscle testing all of the time.
post #51 of 68
I have colostrum that is frozen, and regular goat milk that is fresh and I am going to attempt to make fermented colostoral milk out of it. Maybe the colostrum won't be thawed until I get the next batch of milk though. I left a message for Heather.

I might try to buy enough kefir to make a whole gallon of colostoral milk into kefir, rather than wait around for mine to grow. My kefir grains are about a cup now.

I have found colostrum from a local goat farmer, who even gives me a choice of whether I want day 1, 2, or 3, etc of colostrum, we can choose.

There might be a chance that the milk from a goat with a form of goat arthritis could have health benefits for people with arthritis....and we found a milking goat who tests positive for arthritis or (CAE). We are checking into feeding our dd the colostrum and milk from this goat and I don't know, I might be googling to see if this is safe to do. Anyone hear of it?

The idea that goats can pass on immunities for disease through their milk is pretty amazing.
post #52 of 68
I have been wondering how you're doing.

Does Heather just let her milk sour? The whole idea behind fermenting is just to increase the vitamin content. Any method will do. Various methods will be best since you'll then have a wider range of bacteria. Right now my son is getting yogurt and kefir after sme antibiotics.

Frozen really should be fine, though fresh out of the goat would be better.

The goat-with-arthritis angle is a great one. A friend was raised on goat's milk and poison oak covered the property. Goats ate poison oak all the time. This guy is now immune to poison oak.

What do you mean:
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I might try to buy enough kefir to make a whole gallon of colostoral milk into kefir, rather than wait around for mine to grow. My kefir grains are about a cup now.
If you have a cup of grains, you could kefir up a gallon pretty quickly.
post #53 of 68
On the healing crisis -- that's a big black box. You could say anything is a healing crisis and you might just be sick. But I've been through bad yeast die-off so I know that healing crises exist. What I don't know is whether your daughters' canker sores are due to a healing crisis.

And the medication issue is something I wonder about. MacFadden I think says that the milk diet magnifies medication. Neither my dad nor I are on medication, so this wasn't an issue in our house. And frankly, I don't know if there is anyone on earth who can answer the question. Even Dr Ron says in Untold Story of Milk that he doesn't do the exclusive milk diet (just adds a lot of milk to the diet). He might be one to contact.
post #54 of 68
an update. Heather does use kefir now to firment her milk, she just didn't know about it at the time of the books printing. She says kefired milk has a better flavor than fermented.

duh...I re read dom's site and put our 3/4 of a cup of kefir in almost a gallon of milk....so we will see what happens. I HAD quite the time figuring out how many tablespoons were in 3/4 of a cup today.

Heather says you can't firment previously frozen milk. I think dom also said not to kefir thawed milk. Our colostrum was day one, and is frozen but it is thawing now.

Heather said the important thing to do with a healing crisis is the hour long or longer warm bath. DD has one everyday.

It's too soon really to see any improvement with dd. Her eyes are worse but that is typical as uveitis comes in cycles, goes away and comes back, that's why they check her eyes every two or three weeks for...years into the future. I am going to add the turmeric, querciten, and maybe the vitamin C back to the kefir shake to try to get rid of the eye inflammation.

The arthritis has been bad the last few days. Been up nights with her because her feet hurt, and shopping for TG, she was in pain while we went on errands. We rest a lot and stop to let her sit in chairs and we just ended up with too much to do and shopping took way too long. We were searching for a cheap stainless steel turkey roaster for hours. Finally found one at Kohl's for $37.
post #55 of 68
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post #56 of 68
I've been following this thread -- thanks to everyone who's been posting their progress. I plan to try this early next year as we are finally going to be getting a steady source of raw milk.

Bestbirths, about week 5 after starting kombucha, I had lots of pimples, cold sores (including one big ugly one above my lip), and carpal tunnel. I would say that my carpal tunnel is always detox or toxin related, and this time, my entire carpal tunnel arm got achy and stiff. I got scared and stopped the kombucha for a few weeks and got stuck in a bad bought until I started the kombucha up again accompanied by chlorella. I also took a warm bath every night with epsom salt.

Your dd is probably detoxing, but it's possible that one of the detox pathways aren't working to keep up with toxins being released. If the milk, kombucha, or other substance spurring the detox causes the cells to release metals, chemicals, or other toxins and the body isn't processing or expelling it quick enough, then those toxins can circulate in the body and cause illnesses as if the body has been exposed to a large amount of it from external sources. For me, I suspected I was mostly detoxing heavy metals so I took chlorella, which binds with metals in the body for excretion. If your dd is in a lot of pain, I would try supplementing with something that binds toxins such as chlorella for heavy metals, or bentonite clay, and also take epsom salt baths and anything else that can help the body along with the detox.
post #57 of 68
You've been on my mind. It's hard for me to imagine the toll this is taking on you. Poor little girl.

How are you making your kefir? Are you using kefir grains? I wonder how Heather fermented her milk in the past. I'm guessing she just let it sour. Or maybe she had a piima culture or something.

I don't know of any reason you can't make kefir or otherwise culture previously frozen milk.
post #58 of 68
I am making our milk kefir from kefir grains that someone who runs the local waldorf school gave me. I am not sure of the source of if it is "real" kefir or not, but it looks just like the kefir on Dom's site. Our water kefir is from xenabyte, so I know it's good. Our kombucha scoby is from her too.

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For me, I suspected I was mostly detoxing heavy metals so I took chlorella, which binds with metals in the body for excretion. If your dd is in a lot of pain, I would try supplementing with something that binds toxins such as chlorella for heavy metals, or bentonite clay, and also take epsom salt baths and anything else that can help the body along with the detox.
hmmm. This makes sense but it scares me. I belong to the Andy Cutler yahoo group (he is the author of amalgam Illness and a hair test interpretation book) because our oldest has aspergers and we have been chelating him with dmsa/ala since February of this year. His improvements have been amazing. The Andy Cutler group frowns on chorella. I have read stories about chorella making people sick. I was hoping though, to detox the entire family with fermented milk, kombucha, WAP, our sauna, etc. I hair tested everyone in the family and dd with arthritis had the healthiest hair test with lowest amount of toxic heavy elements of all of us. She doesn't have delayed mineral transport. She had elevated levels of aluminum and some other items though. I need to look into chorella more though. I'd like to be open minded.

Chelation is so organized the Andy Cutler way. Our son has had no healing crisis that I can remember. He has gotten steadily better taking $400 a month in supplements. We only have enough $$ to chelate one of us at a time, so in the meantime, dd was diagnosed with arthritis so I found WAP and kombucha and this milk diet, but I do have concerns about the safety. Andy Cutler method avoids displaced heavy metals with no where to go, because when this happens organs/cells are being destroyed by the heavy metals zinging around... ALA/DMSA have advantages through its structure of giving the chelator every three hours on the drugs half life. It makes the clawing out of toxins kind of like a dance, the heavy metals switch partners every three hours for three days until they are escorted out of the body through the detox pathways. That is what makes the method so safe and organized. There are no problems. There is no crisis. Some people have them, but we don't because we follow the program precisely.

I was hoping the kombucha way would be cheaper, but I do have concerns. I'd rather do dmsa or another chelator on a schedule with dd than chorella. DMSA is a fda aproved chelator and you give it 3 days on and 4 days off. I am in a catch 22 though because I can't afford the supplements you have to take to use DMSA for dd. The thing about kombucha/chorella that bother's me is that given everyday for detox the body never gets a break and this could lead to depletion of vitamins and minerals. There doesn't seem to be the same dance over three days where the heavy metals are taken out in an organized safe structured way.

My thoughts are just rambling here.

I have pascalite clay. I use it to bind with overgrowths of yeast and die off in the gut. Ugg. : I need to muscle test all of this on dd. I relied heavily on muscle testing to get our oldest son this far. The thing about it is that ds is taking mega doses over the US RDA of supplements during his chelation. I would wonder if raw milk would have enough supplements in it, even kefired, to support chelation with dmsa.
post #59 of 68
wouldn't the high iodine content of the milk act somewhat as a chelating agent. . . . that is my understanding of why seaweeds help chelate, their high iodine content. we have lead poisoning here, so i did tons of research, but that was 1.5 years ago. wish we could afford cutler's program. . . . fwiw when i got pregnant my greens supplement (with chlorella) seemed to give me headaches, which would mean it might be moving metals around, possibly crossing the blood/brain barrier. scared me so i stopped. dd still takes it sometimes since she loves green popsicles. anyway, as far as therapeutics go with natural chelators, the kid needs to be able to articulate symptoms, so you can stop if there are headaches. i'm starting seaweed again to help repair my sluggish postpartum thyroid, and i have been having some headaches, but i'm out of magnesium so. . . . who can tell why the headaches? but we have no access to pharmaceuticals here, so not so much choice in the matter of chelation but to go with holistic / food methods. also, the seaweed has a high mineral content.
okay, i only started typing to say that my milk froze in the back of my fridge, and it kefired just fine. also, have you tried to add any human milk to the mix? i'm sure i test positive for arthritis since i have and aunt with rheumatoid and everyone else in the family seems to have osteo. and i'm sure i make over a gallon of milk a day, nursing a giant baby and sometimes an injured 3.5 y.o.
post #60 of 68
back from checking on the baby to add that i have also heard that chlorella is miraculous for certain things like skin ailments, etc. but i would not think an asberger's child could report all symptoms. i feel the exact opposite that i do not trust the fda / pharmaceuticals at all. . . . but in your situation i would use whatever seemed to work! in my casual reading about arthritis fish/efas help, so i would put her on clo and extra efa's too. oh, and when she goes back to eating nothing in the nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, tobacco) until you can determine if they aggrevate her symptoms. you probably know all that already, though!
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