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post #21 of 123
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Hi

Is it raw or pastuerized milk. Do not use pastuerized milk,
See this link for baby formula, there is a nondairy formula. http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html
You can also try goats milk.
Ghee, is an alternative to butter.

Rami
post #22 of 123
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Hi,

I would be violating mothering community rules to post my website link.

Rami
post #23 of 123
What are the signs that this treatment is succeeding? I realize this sounds like an obvious question, but I really think that we have completely arrested the decay and I'd like to know exactly what happens when the teeth remineralize. Does this mean that the brown spots will just stop growing and harden over, or will they begin to turn white and shrink? (because this is what seems to be happening and I want to make sure that something bad isn't going on.) thanks.
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post #25 of 123
sorry! the brand was dr. schuessler' s 12 tissue salts, New Era makes them. they are some hybrid of homeopathy and mineral supplementation, and I need to go buy them again. They are softly dissolving and in a milk sugar base, I think.
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post #27 of 123
This seems like the right place to post about my son's teeth. He is 13 months old and has about 11 teeth. One of his eyeteeth has a noticeable hole in the front surface. At first I thought it was a piece of food but no, it's an actual hole! I assumed he'd chipped the enamel by bumping his tooth with some hard object, but then I noticed another (smaller) hole on the front surface of another tooth, and yet another hole on the back surface of a third tooth. This was really scary for me because I didn't think babies who eat only breastmilk and homecooked foods could get cavities. We don't feed DS sugar, flour, or other processed foods. I cook a la Nourishing Traditions.

Would the butter oil/fish oil (from Green Pastures) make a significant difference in the hardness of my son's tooth enamel? We have very limited finances and I'd like to know what would give us the biggest bang for our buck.

The cheapest brand of raw milk in our area costs $6.78 a gallon, which is just too much for us. As for sources of probiotics, we do eat kefir and yogurt regularly and I am expecting a kombucha scoby to arrive in the mail this week. We eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables (organic when possible, but usually not) and I sprout all our grains/seeds/nuts. We don't eat wheat at all because my DH is gluten-intolerant.
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post #29 of 123
I found the website with pictures - http://www.yourreturn.org/Treatments/Teeth/index.htm

What interesting information! Thanks Rami!

Taedareth - I don't have any helpful advice. Is he getting any kind of fish oil right now?
post #30 of 123
Not right now because he recently finished off the bottle, but he did for a while (after the holes showed up, not prior). I just ordered some butter oil and cod liver oil, so our whole family will be taking it soon. I hope that helps.
post #31 of 123
: : great thread
thankyou
post #32 of 123
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If Child cannot have diary

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Originally Posted by Gracecody View Post
Hi Rami,

Crunchy_mama mentioned that her son Luke cannot have dairy. we are in the same situation. My son gets diarrhea that turns into intestinal bleeding from both milk and butter. He can tolerate me eating cheese but cannot eat it directly. I have been supplementing with Silk soymilk and am now not so sure about that either. I have been trying Kefir and it seems to be ok if I have it first thing in the morning. My son has some enamel defects that are being watched closely for decay and I want to be as proactive as possible. Any advice for those of us who can't do milk/butter? Thanks!!
Hi,

Clarified Butter known as Ghee, from high vitamin butter. Egg yolks, and use the non-dairy baby formula from the Weston A Price Foundation.

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/formula-faqs.html

Also raw grass fed bone marrow.

Rami
post #33 of 123
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More tooth decay info

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Originally Posted by summerfly View Post
Hi there,
My son has three cavities in his front teeth, one is in bad shape, not noticable from the front, and the other two are small. We're trying the diet actually lifestyle change would be a better word, and I'm wondering what I should look for on his teeth, I've noticed big changes in me, weight loss I've never been big and the oddest, my breasts have stopped leaking which they have done since I started nursing 19 months ago. Anyway I was wondering when can you tell if its working I'm also trying to figure out why it seems some people are so successful with the diet and others the decay just keeps progressing.
Thanks
Hi,

It is simple, usually tooth decay starts from a deficiency during pregnancy, or even prior to birth. All of a sudden, making changes when your child is 1-2 years old, after all that time on a deficient diet will not be overnight magic.

One problem that is likely, is that many children with decayed teeth, in addition to being born with nutrient deficiencies, is that they may have minor and not noticeably visible birth defects such as their ability to assimilate nutrients is diminished. Energy healing, homeopathy and herbal medicine, bone broths, and fermented foods are possibilities to look into at enhancing your child's digestion.

You know it is working if your child is happy, if their teeth feel hard and do not chip and if they do not have an assesses or infections. My daughter, now almost 3 years and 3 months old has had two small abscesses with know other noticeable infection, and both times she was a bit sick and both times they could be traced to even one faulty meal. Two of her teeth a little nubs and dark colored, however they pose no health risk at all. Her teeth still decay slightly, but are also very hard.

The tooth decay may not stop for a long time because your working against months or years of dietary errors. And usually, parents are not fully aligned with the health building protocol.

good luck,
Rami
post #34 of 123
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How do you know if its working

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Originally Posted by mom2x View Post
What are the signs that this treatment is succeeding? I realize this sounds like an obvious question, but I really think that we have completely arrested the decay and I'd like to know exactly what happens when the teeth remineralize. Does this mean that the brown spots will just stop growing and harden over, or will they begin to turn white and shrink? (because this is what seems to be happening and I want to make sure that something bad isn't going on.) thanks.
Hi

The spots should be hard. They probably will not shrink, and they probably will not turn white. Dark spots indicate significant decay. Using the mentioned dietary protocols, high vitamin butter, bone marrow, grass fed liver(or cod liver oil), preferably raw, and bone soups, along with leafy green vegetables, fish preferably raw or fermented and seaweed. And avoiding processed foods, fruit juices, tofu, soymilk, flour and sugar products and so forth.

When you do these things you protect your child's body against infection from the decayed tooth. You also prevent and limit further decay. The danger of a decayed tooth is ONLY that it will become infected and that the infection will spread. A decayed tooth is harmless otherwise. Even if your child gets and infection, there are many natural treatments to stop the infection. The second concern is when your child get's older, you want them to have straight teeth without decay, this only will happen through significant corrections in diet.

graciously,
Rami
post #35 of 123
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Butter Oil Answer

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Originally Posted by Taedareth View Post
This seems like the right place to post about my son's teeth. He is 13 months old and has about 11 teeth. One of his eyeteeth has a noticeable hole in the front surface. At first I thought it was a piece of food but no, it's an actual hole! I assumed he'd chipped the enamel by bumping his tooth with some hard object, but then I noticed another (smaller) hole on the front surface of another tooth, and yet another hole on the back surface of a third tooth. This was really scary for me because I didn't think babies who eat only breastmilk and homecooked foods could get cavities. We don't feed DS sugar, flour, or other processed foods. I cook a la Nourishing Traditions.

Would the butter oil/fish oil (from Green Pastures) make a significant difference in the hardness of my son's tooth enamel? We have very limited finances and I'd like to know what would give us the biggest bang for our buck.

The cheapest brand of raw milk in our area costs $6.78 a gallon, which is just too much for us. As for sources of probiotics, we do eat kefir and yogurt regularly and I am expecting a kombucha scoby to arrive in the mail this week. We eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables (organic when possible, but usually not) and I sprout all our grains/seeds/nuts. We don't eat wheat at all because my DH is gluten-intolerant.
Hi,

It is really a question of priorities, your child's health, or a few bucks. If I was in your shoes, I'd get a loan or credit card as I do absolutely everything I can to ensure my child is health.

A baby can get cavities if they do not eat the right homecooked foods. Eating home cooked foods is important. A baby can get cavities even if they eat organic foods. The primary factor that is missing is fat-soluble vitamins.

Butter oil will absolutely help. Same with cod liver oil.
There are alternatives to these but it is hard to say if you will save $$. You can buy Anchor New Zealand butter, or buy butter during the summer months that is really yellow. You can buy grass fed beef or even pork liver. You can go to a fish merchant and get free fish livers and prepare them yourself. In the end, if only your child uses the butter oil, it will last quite a while so it is a small investment.

I pay $12-16 a gallon in California. At least buy the milk for your child. This is your child here. They need you. Talk to the milk man, maybe they have some surplus milk you can get a better price on.

Rami
post #36 of 123
I have been reading this thread with great interest. thanks for the great info.
ds is 3 1/2 and is also my 7th child, he has many food allergies is gluten intolerent and has cavities.
I had decided not to proceed with dental treatment and for quite a while have been doing lot's of bone broths, clo (I did not yet get the high vitamin butter, but will soon) use xylitol to clean his teeth use probiotics and homemade yogurt , and while I have not noticed any additional cavities ? staining or worsening of existing decay, I was wondering if it could be getting worse without showing? I am hesitant to take him back to the dentist right now since they don't agree with the "wait and watch " approach.
he also has decay in some molars but he does not complain of pain or anything, and he is happy and growing well and his digestion seems to be good.
tia
post #37 of 123
Thanks for the information! Subbing.
post #38 of 123
i was hesitant to get into this debate but it seems that many people are interested in this thread and i just want to point out a few questions i have with this information:

after a tiny bit of research i found this http://jdr.iadrjournals.org/cgi/cont...tract/81/7/505
that indicates, the bacteria doesn't actually "eat" the sugar but uses sucrose to increase it's ability to bind to the tooth surface.

this article http://iai.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/35/2/583
indicates that, as you are saying, sucrose doesn't increase the growth rate of the bacteria. maybe there is a misunderstanding about how sugars "cause" the decay?

i'm also curious as to how the aboriginal people whose diet changed from natural foods to processed sugar and white flour (while being very bad nutritionally) doesn't seem to indicate that these foods may also increase the ability of the bacteria to cause cavities?

i agree with the whole body health concept but i don't necessarily think that the entire bacterial/cavity theory is incorrect. peer-reviewed journals from all over the world must have some evidence for the idea.

please let me know if this is more an informational topic rather than a debatable one. so far i haven't seen many questions about the ideas presented so i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask? i'm new here :
post #39 of 123
Hi,
My dd just turned two and brushing her teeth is a real nightmare...but we do it. Her ped (not me ) noticed in between her 2 front teeth (and the next teeth beside those) a brown discoloration. I plan on taking her to the dentist soon to find out for sure, but I'm guessing it's decay. I just ordered the x-factor butter oil today and have started implementing changes in our diets. I'm eating raw swiss chard w/ sea salt, olive oil, and lemon juice right now. We only eat organic foods and usually whole foods. I've just started buying raw cheese and plan on getting some raw milk soon. My delima is that we are vegetarians (dd is still breastfed). Do you think that the butter oil, raw cheese, more leafy greens, ghee, raw milk, etc., will be enough to save her teeth from decay??? Oh yea, I found out last week that I have 10 small cavities and a molar that needs a root canal or extraction (I know rc's are bad)!! I want to heal my teeth, too
Any help?
Thanks so much
Michelle
post #40 of 123
PlayaMama, I'm glad you said something. I'm a bit concerned about this topic as we just had a child actually die from tooth decay here in the DC area. There has been quite a bit of research done on this topic and just throwing it all out is really worrying to me. My son is almost four and has no decay or cavities, just through regular, twice-daily flossing and brushing. If he had any decay at all, however, I wouldn't mess with it for a minute. I'd be straight at the dentist doing what needs to be done!

(PlayaMama - I'm counting down the days to going back home to BRC myself!)
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