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post #81 of 123
Try Xylitol. Visit www.epicdental.com and www.zellies.com. The information is fantastic, plus it gives hope!

post #82 of 123
Those aren't remedies, they're tissue salts...do you use the full spectrum or just calc phos and calc flour? (one is for enamel, delayed dentition, the other slow development and rapid decay.)

In theory you are supposed to use all twelve to balance. Do you have someone helping you?
post #83 of 123
I have to say that all of what Rami is saying makes sense in terms of homeopathy. Moneca, if it is used properly the homeopathic remedy would have spurred the body to chelate itself. It takes an incredible practitioner, but it deals with the underlying miasms. The idea with homeopathy is to shift the body to a state of health. There are miasms that would acutally prevent the body from utilizing nutrients. The proper nosode would change that not only for the patient but for the offspring of the patient and hte generations ahead.

It is so very rare that anything which is labelled as genetic actually is. It is much more often a nutritional deficiency. And no, it isn't the whole picture. However,I firmly believe that nutrition and homeopathy used together make a complete picture.

For someone who is unable to utilize homeopathy to it's potential then looking to heavy metal testing and other biochemical factors will be essential.

When Rami is discussing homeopathic treatment (and I'm not him, but speaking from my own knowledge here) it isn't looking up a remedy in a book and self dosing. Like anything else there is responsible usage. While it can't "hurt" anything if you take the wrong remedy, it won't help. It takes a professional to translate the language of the materia medica...it's not something a layperson can do. IF you are interested in utilizing homeopathy I strongly encourage it. I just wanted to be clear that jsut because someone you know is taking phospohorous for enamel degradation it does NOT mean that phosphorous is the remedy for enamel degradation...it means that that person's constitution called for that particular remedy. It would be VERY rare that someone else could come along and require the same thing. IT is a very complex science.

However the tissue salts mentioned do not work the same way and would be applicable across the board.

My daughters teeth grew new hard enamel after her allergens were removed. She also has celiac disease. She is now able to utilize nutrients is a more complete way. We are in the midst of healing her homeopathically. It is a longer road for chronic ailments, but the healing is permanent.

Very interesting discussion.
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post #85 of 123
my 3 year old and i have been drinking bone broth, taking cod liver oil + x factor, coconut oil, raw dairy, etc. for a couple of years now. one of the first things i noticed was how hard my teeth became. they are like glass now, and very smooth. i also can no longer move them around, because i think my gums have been strengthened as well.

my dd was born with leaky gut/multiple food allergies and i didn't figure it out until she was about 1.5 years old. so, for all that time she was not absorbing nutrients very well. as a result, some of her teeth developed brown spots where the minerals had been pulled for some other more important purpose in her body.

at her first dental checkup 6 months ago, the dentist noticed the brown spots and it was labeled an 'area of concern'. now at her second checkup 6 months later, they are noticeably less brown and everything else looks great- her arches, spacing. we are no longer on the path to cavities and i strongly believe it is due to how i have been steadily increasing the amount of these traditional foods in her diet and mine.

this is not the only benefit we've seen. last year she got sick only ONE time. this year is the same (so far!). before traditional foods, she was sick 7 times in one year. same for me, i very rarely get sick anymore. our complexions are rosy, eyes sparkly, skin soft. too many improvements to list but i wanted to say that this plan is not just about preventing cavities.
post #86 of 123
What's the maxium amount of clo and hvbo a 3 yr old with caries can have per day?

post #87 of 123
Originally Posted by mom2x View Post
What are the signs that this treatment is succeeding? I realize this sounds like an obvious question, but I really think that we have completely arrested the decay and I'd like to know exactly what happens when the teeth remineralize. Does this mean that the brown spots will just stop growing and harden over, or will they begin to turn white and shrink? (because this is what seems to be happening and I want to make sure that something bad isn't going on.) thanks.
I've been reading this thread with great interest for the past few months as my 21 month old has many small cavities and I've been dreading taking her to the dentist. Well, we finally went today! The bad news is, they're definitely cavities, the bad news is the dentist had nevered heard of Weston Price and blamed nursing on the cavities. My daughter, who is very shy, cried a lot so I wasn't able to pick the guy's brain as much as I would have liked, but I wanted to share some interesting things I learned from the visit, in case it might assist someone else:

1. When the cavity turns dark brown to black, you know it's not active anymore---the active, still getting worse cavities are the light brown, reddish ones. (That's what he says anyway) It made sense to me, as my daughter's cavities have darkened since implementing dietary changes (clo, butter oil, low sugar/refined, for me and her as I'm still nursing)

2. He said the cavities she has are "medium" in terms of how bad they are---even though I thought they looked pretty nasty. He gave me topical flouride and said to make an appointment for 6 months from now to check them again, as I said I wanted to try something other than putting her under gen. aneth. at the hospital as he said we'd have to do to fix 'em. I thought, wow, 6 months! That must mean they're not horrible yet and I still have time to fix it even more with diet and supps.
Actively seeking a sourse of raw milk as we speak!

3. I can't believe how uninformed dentist are about the weston price approach to cavities. It seems to me just plain old inquisitiveness would lead them to at least know about the dietary approach. But this guys was completely oblivious. He kept lumping breastfeeding in with drinking juice from a bottle all night. Geez. Anybody else had that experience with a dentist?

Anyway, hope that helps in some way! Keep on sharing your great information and stories. Really inspires me!
post #88 of 123
Originally Posted by bellabear View Post
What's the maxium amount of clo and hvbo a 3 yr old with caries can have per day?
Here's a thread that might be helpful in determining clo supplementation amount. The amount that a child would take would be strongly influenced by the latitude that he lives at, and how much sun he gets. I assume that there wouldn't be an upper limit to hvbo.
Originally Posted by babsiegirl View Post
Actively seeking a sourse of raw milk as we speak!
It sounds like you're still breastfeeding? Your breastmilk is raw milk . Also, raw cheese tends to be easier to get than raw milk - ask at a specialty cheese shop that imports European cheeses.
Originally Posted by babsiegirl View Post
He kept lumping breastfeeding in with drinking juice from a bottle all night. Geez. Anybody else had that experience with a dentist?
My dentist didn't make an issue of the breastfeeding. In my reading, however, it seems that once early childhood caries takes hold, breastmilk can definitely feed the decay-causing bacteria. Night-nursing seems to be more of a problem than daytime nursing because the mouth doesn't make much saliva, and the breastmilk often pools in the mouth. I spoke with a dental assistant who said that small things can make a big difference in whether night-nursing becomes a dental problem: things like whether the child shifts around in their sleep, if they sleep with their mouth open, whether they tend to squirrel bits of food in their mouth, etc. One woman on the alternativekidsteeth yahoogroup actually continued to night-nurse her daughter, but brushed the toddler's teeth after each nursing . She said it took 2 months for her dd to get used to it. I am very concerned that night-nursing might be contributing to my dd's severe early childhood caries but I haven't decided what to do about it yet.
post #89 of 123
Breastmilk has been found to reduce the number of cavity causing bacteria during night feedings, when there is no sugar present on the teeth. Night feeding also replenishes LO's calcium and other nutrients at a critical period of growth and rejuvenation.

My DS's teeth are pretty bad right now. But on monday we started a strict diet and brushing regimine- wipe down teeth (I feel brushing damages them because they are fragile right now) with xylitol and water solution. Absolutely no sugar for him or me since it depletes calcium stores in the body and helps mutan bacteria growth on the teeth. Eat lots and lots of organic, only grass-fed, raw dairy- I eat 2-4 cups of milk, 3-5 ounces of cheese, a fair amount of butter, and yogurt; DS eats as much as he wants. For vitamin D we take high mineral clo that has tested free of 28 contaminants or we eat pastured pork (very high in vit d). And we are eating bone broth as often as possible- probably every other day.

I took photos of DS's teeth on monday and I already see an improvement! I will take pics every monday for a while to see what kind of progress we make through the weeks and months!
post #90 of 123
Originally Posted by Unconventional1 View Post
Breastmilk has been found to reduce the number of cavity causing bacteria during night feedings, when there is no sugar present on the teeth.
I'd love to read more about this - do you remember where you read this? :
I'm actually considering nightweaning 22 mo dd and I'm desperate for objective information to guide my decision.
post #91 of 123
I have read several articles form dentists stating that night feeding does not contribute to caries IF the teeth are clean before bed. Also WAP states that night feeding is important to good health and does not contribute- he also states that the nutrition DC receives at night is important to helping to restore teeth- your diet needs to be as good as your child's with ample vit D, calcium, magnesium, etc.



post #92 of 123

Chiming in!

It took me all weekend, but I've read every post in this thread. Great info!

My DS is 2.5 yo with his top 4 front teeth decaying (the teeth on either side of the 2 front ones are nearly nubs, and he has a brown line of discolouration through his front 2 teeth). I've ordered some Xylitol gum and mints, and will be looking into the toothpaste too, since I've been using it in my morning coffee or tea, as a toothpaste, and randomly mints and have noticed a great difference in my own teeth this past week. I need to find products that DS will consume since all I could find locally was mint flavoured things, which he sais are too "hot" (I ordered zellies with orange and raspberry candies/gum).

In addition to the xylitol, I'm going to check out local amish communities for HVBO (may wait for the summer to do this?). Being a vegetarian, I'm having a moral dilema whether or not I will consume CLO too (DS is still nursing). Any tips for getting CLO into a child? For a bit, he'd drink it happily from a syringe, but that fad has passed, and we've ruined many a shirts with spit out CLO that just STINKS and discolours.

I will be more adament about avoiding sugar in foods, and would like to get a home mill to avoid refined flour.

I had horrible sickness for 8 mos of my pregnancy, and not a stellar diet before then (standard NA vegetarian diet of a university student vegetarian- soy milk, tofu, and tofu products which killed my thyroid and probably too much alcohol- though none when pregnant). I'm going to get my copy of NT back from a friend and start soaking grains and sprouting nuts. I figure with HVBO, fresh eggs, and eating as much NT without organ meats and bone broth, I'll be at least heading in the right direction.

Wooo...small novel, sorry- lots going on in my overloaded, slow-to-process brain.
post #93 of 123
eirual, dd likes the Spry berry flavour "mints" - they are not mints they are just candies. You can buy them in containers of 240.

Unconventional1, much as I'd like to believe it's a hygiene issue only, there is research that indicates that nightnursing past 12 mo is a risk factor for ECC. In fact, in the Myanmar study that I cited in the link above, they found that toothbrushing was not related to the risk of ECC .
post #94 of 123
Any tips for getting CLO into a child?
I've had a couple things that have worked. Some flavors can be hidden in OJ (not a great drink, but I thought it was worth it to get the CLO into kiddos). Works best when the OJ is consumed through a straw. Our current routine is the cinnamon flavored CLO from Green Pastures. And my daughter added a twist--she has me sprinkle cinnamon onto the spoonful of CLO, thinks it's great. For marketing purposes, we call it cinnamon oil. I give the kids Thorne's vitamin K2 supp instead of HV butter oil, partly because it's cheaper and partly because it's easier to understand dosing. But clearly it's not a whole food, or even food-derived--it's synthetic. I don't know if anyone makes HVBO except the folks online (I forgot the name, but I've only seen one brand out there). Are there others?
post #95 of 123
Ksenia- I don't think hygiene has a whole lot to do with ecc- I think that WAP is correct in his theory that cavities are mainly due to poor nutrition. That is why my family and I did a radical diet change- we are following the WAP advice by eating lots of bone broths; eating lots of raw, grass-fed dairy; taking clo (tested free of 28 different contaminants including lead and mercury) and we have eliminated cane sugar since it leaches calcium from the body (including teeth) and lowers blood serum levels of calcium inhibiting the teeth from building dentin. We also started using xylitol granules to wipe DS teeth down 4-5 times per day, plus 1-2 times per night after nursing (not every time, but it is to help keep his saliva flowing). I am not using a brush because his enamel is so soft that I am afraid of doing more damage right now. As his teeth grow dentin, I will happily switch back to brushing. The xylitol also helps to remineralize teeth.

After 1 1/2 weeks of xylitol use my teeth feel better and my gums don't bleed when I floss anymore. My son's teeth have stopped getting worse, and I see one or two areas of visible improvement. I am doing a photo diary (although it has been a bit difficult) so that I can visibly track the progress that we are making.
post #96 of 123
eirual- I use Carlsons clo, it is lemon flavored so I can give it by the 1/4 teaspoon full to my son without problems, you can also try adding it to a variety of foods including smoothies, juice, salad dressings, etc.
post #97 of 123

xylitol ideas?

I have an idea about using xylitol for night nursing. What if you made a solution of water and granular xylitol and put it in a little syringe thingy or dropper and every time your kid nursed at night, you slipped that in and "injected" a little xylitol into the mouth to do its thing? Easier than waking up the kid....hard on momma because you have to be somewhat alert to pull this off at 2am, but for me, I'm usually half awake all night anyway, what with three kids and a snoring hubby in bed with me! (Fun, wouldn't trade it, but a challenge.) I'm wondering if anyone else has tried something like this.

We just started using zellies products, which, while expensive, are cheaper than dental visits, surgical procedures, etc. And a hell of a lot less invasive. I've read a lot about the stuff and I'm sold on most of it and am willing to use it as part of an intensive program of nutrition and tooth brushing and supplements, etc. Wonder if it'll work? Also, maybe have kids take a mint or chew the gum after brushing teeth and before bed? Or swish with solution of water and xyl.?

Love to hear other's ideas and efforts. Also, congrats everyone on hanging in there on this issue of caries in little kids (so sad) even though it's hard and time consuming and there's no seminal moment of "I was right all along!" or "I finally have the answer!"
Most people just go with the prevailing ideas of the day, so often wrong, and never get to the crux/real cause of the problem. I'm inspired here every time I check in. Grass roots, baby!
post #98 of 123

breast milk not what it used to be....

Regarding night nursing and all those studies out there connecting night nursing to caries....What about the notion that our nutrition as mothers---the ones producing the milk from our very bodies, our very nutritional reserves----might be deficient in some way, some very important and crucial way, and therefore are giving our kids inadequate breast milk?

Not that momma's milk isn't still the best for our kids, but maybe our epidemic, intergenerational nutritional deficiencies are just catching up with us. I know that my own nutrition was not what it needed to be while gestating my little ones, what with severe morning sickness and a weird pica-like desire to drink soda----even though I normally hate the stuff. And my nutrition growing up wasn't great either, and neither was my mom's or my hubby's or his mom's. Hard to quickly overcome such things, I'd think. Even though now we're on a program of intense "rebuilding of the reserves" through nutrition, maybe this can only do so much once those little kid teeth are messed up, deficient of enamel, full of little holes, etc. ???? I'm not advocating stopping breast feeding, just saying that the best breast milk for our babies may be a thing of the past?

I think we need a real push for preconception nutrition in this country/world. The schools would be a great place for this, but they're a little obsessed with the old food pyramid approach to things. But I digress...
post #99 of 123
Babsiegirl: I agree that the mother's nutrition from pre-conception on until weaning has a huge impact on all of our LO's including their teeth. I took a hard look at my current diet after caries appeared on DS's teeth and realized that I was very deficient in vitamin D and calcium- both major problems that I had from pregnancy on. I feel terrible that i wasn't more careful about this and now DS is suffering as a result, but in the 1 1/2 weeks since my radical diet change, DS's teeth have not gotten any worse and there may even be some improvement also. I also stopped using toothpaste and started using xylitol granules. I wipe DS's teeth at least once per night after nursing as well and it also seem s to be making an impact. I will continue posting updates on our progress over the months.
post #100 of 123
Originally Posted by babsiegirl View Post
I have an idea about using xylitol for night nursing. What if you made a solution of water and granular xylitol and put it in a little syringe thingy or dropper and every time your kid nursed at night, you slipped that in and "injected" a little xylitol into the mouth to do its thing?
A great idea . Problem for me is that I can't wake myself up after dd's been on the nipple for 20 min. I've tried but I'm so sleep-deprived from staying up late working.
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