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post #41 of 83
You ladies are so eloquent with your posts, thank you for thinking outloud.

I think its very sad for ads that *will* be touchy be allowed into certain forums knowing that they might be a trigger for some posters.

Thats all I have to say, just wanted to give some support to those that are bringing the google ads up in a whole new light.
post #42 of 83
We are still discussing this and trying to consider everything.

Something that comes to mind in this is that of signatures and the statements some contain. Scapegoat, I can use your signature as an example if you don't mind.

Consider a mother who has recently been devastated with the loss of her babe due to an immunization. Would not your signature be a potential and very painful trigger for that mother? If so, how can we permit such signatures?

Taking that a bit further, how can we permit pregnancy and birth announcements in signatures if an ad about such things would be insensitive to mothers facing pregnancy and birth loss?
post #43 of 83
I've been playing around to see what ads come up with words used in Abuse Survivor forums. The word "rape" brings up no ads. "Molest/ed/ing" brings up one ad to report child molesters.

However, discussing the anatomy in any way brings up a host of triggering things for survivors of sexual abuse. To write about violent acts can cause trigger words to appear as well.

I also played this game with Loss themed stuff. I took posts from PABL and G&L and mailed them to myself in gmail. There was stuff that came up that I would be offended by if I were currently grieving.
post #44 of 83
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Originally Posted by Mamma Mia View Post
I've been playing around to see what ads come up with words used in Abuse Survivor forums. The word "rape" brings up no ads. "Molest/ed/ing" brings up one ad to report child molesters.

However, discussing the anatomy in any way brings up a host of triggering things for survivors of sexual abuse. To write about violent acts can cause trigger words to appear as well.

I also played this game with Loss themed stuff. I took posts from PABL and G&L and mailed them to myself in gmail. There was stuff that came up that I would be offended by if I were currently grieving.
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post #45 of 83
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Originally Posted by hawkfeather View Post
Google ads function by pulling out trigger words and using ads that are geared to those words.. I am afraid that there will be pregnancy related ads and baby related ads in the infant loss section.

I am curious because we can report offenisve ads- but what is fine here migth not be there- I do not want to advertise slings to a momma who just lost her child.. kwim?
Even worse, I've been on pregnancy loss boards where google took some key words and started advertising abortion clinics. How horribly traumatizing to someone going through infertility or the death of a baby to see ads for abortion clinics...
post #46 of 83
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Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher View Post
We are still discussing this and trying to consider everything.

Something that comes to mind in this is that of signatures and the statements some contain. Scapegoat, I can use your signature as an example if you don't mind.

Consider a mother who has recently been devastated with the loss of her babe due to an immunization. Would not your signature be a potential and very painful trigger for that mother? If so, how can we permit such signatures?

Taking that a bit further, how can we permit pregnancy and birth announcements in signatures if an ad about such things would be insensitive to mothers facing pregnancy and birth loss?
Actually, if you go to edit options a user has the option to enable seeing signatures or not. Which, for people who might see a signature that is a trigger, they can simply block the viewing of ALL signatures to counter act that until/if they ever feel they are able to see such triggers without it actually triggering.
post #47 of 83
That's true. But what if they do not want to block signatures, wanting to see signatures in general, but do feel some should not be allowed because they serve as potential triggers and should not be permitted?
post #48 of 83
Perhaps a solution would be along the lines of what you just suggested, Ambrose, about the option to turn off the signatures.

Perhaps we can set up a usergroup that would permit anyone, at their request, to be placed in that usergroup specific to the single forum they are visiting, whether it be Grief & Loss, Prregnancy & Birth Loss, or Surviving Abuse. They would access only that forum (all others would be closed to them) and all ads, and maybe even signatures, would be disabled for them.

Once they feel they are able to read/see such triggers without it actually triggering they can request full and open access again to the general usergroup.
post #49 of 83
Thread Starter 
I am so grateful we can dialouge about this.

I have to say that in a place where we should be on a united front here I am not sure what to think when it has been brougth forward that ads migt be highly hurtful- that the answers are 'well other stuff is hurtful too"..

Since when do we accept harming another because something else has already harmed them? Yes when you are in pain anything and sometimes everything can be a trigger and cause immense pain, I do not think that is paramount to welcoming or encouraging further trauma.

S.A is already a distinct differant forum, there are rules to gain acces to ensure the well being of the posters. I can not really understand why it would be acceptable to anyone to even take a slight risk of makign that space uncomfortable. Members have expressed thier concerns, thier fears- I do not think debating what can and not be hurtful is respecting the needs and space of those accessing the forums.

From my own personal experince.. I have been abused- and I have been told things should not hurt me.. and I have been told that I should not let things bother me- I have also been told to *ignore* the abuse.. If the site needs google ads- I honeslty think a lot of members would adjust to that change betetr if there was some give and take.
post #50 of 83
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Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher View Post
Perhaps a solution would be along the lines of what you just suggested, Ambrose, about the option to turn off the signatures.

Perhaps we can set up a usergroup that would permit anyone, at their request, to be placed in that usergroup specific to the single forum they are visiting, whether it be Grief & Loss, Prregnancy & Birth Loss, or Surviving Abuse. They would access only that forum (all others would be closed to them) and all ads, and maybe even signatures, would be disabled for them.

Once they feel they are able to read/see such triggers without it actually triggering they can request full and open access again to the general usergroup.
Ok, I'm gona repeat back what I understand of this and please correct me if I'm wrong as DD is hounding me for food and it's hard to process her and this at the same time.

You're saying a user would only be able to access those forums alone and not places like Mindful Home Management, DIapering, etc?

Or are you saying they WON'T be able to access those forums until they feel they could handle triggering word ads?

Or are you saying people who participate in the forums would have the option to turn off ads in THAT forum if they chose?

Because the Pregnancy and Birth Loss forum I feel will be very helpful to me as soon as I pass over this inital hurt and loss. But I am fearful of seeing ads that would upset me spur of the moment when it pops up. I want the support of that forum. But I don't want to feel like I can't go to it until I can handle ads that could really upset me. Like right now... when a radio ad comes up that has a crying baby- I change the station then change it back a few minutes later. Same for tv if I'm watching a fave show.
post #51 of 83
Cynthia- I am so happy you are here actively discussing this with us.

I am mainly concerned about ads in the SA forum about erectile disfunction products or that kind of thing, and grief and loss forum having those ads for caskets: , ykwim? I mean, we can go overly sensitive on this stuff, but- some of these things seem that they are simply not ok on Mothering at all, right? I mean, wouldn't a penis pump ad be taken down no matter where it was? Same for baby caskets? I would hope so...maybe if we had assurance that those "extreme" things would be taken down, this conversation would go a little more clearly.
post #52 of 83
*I haven't read all the replies...just this last page*
I think the ads are on a different level than say siggies. I rarely notice siggies unless something stands out. A different color, a post pointing it out, a variety of fonts. I do however always notice ads. Because they are flashing most of the time the activity catches my eye.

Maybe we could enable ads like we can siggies. That way those of us in the SA/P&BL forum can turn them off. I definitely think we should figure something out. I can see it prohibiting lots of mamas here. Some of us only venture into these forums after much convincing. They only view when they need support or are feeling frantic/desperate. I rarely go into the SA forum because it's hard to go in there every day. I don't want to go in feeling like I need support and seeing an ad for...say...a lawyer specializing in rape....or something like fetish movies.....it just seems to be a wrong area for keyword ads.
post #53 of 83
Personally, if I had just had a loss I would turn the signature function off.

I fully realize that my signature could be a trigger for someone that has just lost a child due to giving a vaccine to their child but I do not compare it to an ad, an ad that will make this site money.

I dont need to pay money to take off the siggy function but I will need to pay money to not see a google add.

By the way, I asked the other day if I could get some help on fixing my signature because I needed to change it but I still cant get it to work.
post #54 of 83
Yeah what Peppermint said.

Like, if I were to see an ad for urns in P&BL I would break down. Or if I were to see something for caskets or birth announcement ads... it would be really upsetting. But other ads in regards to babies/children might not be so upsetting- still upsetting don't get me wrong- but I personally would be able to tolerate it better.

The extreme stuff would make me break though.
post #55 of 83
Could there be a link in that little box up in the corner for ads? That way those of us who want to see them can click there...no need to go into profiles etc.
post #56 of 83
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Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher View Post
Perhaps a solution would be along the lines of what you just suggested, Ambrose, about the option to turn off the signatures.

Perhaps we can set up a usergroup that would permit anyone, at their request, to be placed in that usergroup specific to the single forum they are visiting, whether it be Grief & Loss, Prregnancy & Birth Loss, or Surviving Abuse. They would access only that forum (all others would be closed to them) and all ads, and maybe even signatures, would be disabled for them.

Once they feel they are able to read/see such triggers without it actually triggering they can request full and open access again to the general usergroup.
I'm not 100% sure I understand this.

Are you saying that we could be put into a usergroup only for certain periods of time, then removed when we want to post in the general discussion forums? Wouldn't that be a hassel for the moderators and administrators, to constantly move us in and out of usergroups? Sorry for the confusion, I'm just not sure if I'm reading this the right way.
post #57 of 83
How about just not putting the Google Ad code on those specific forums?

Or would that be way too much effort to edit the CSS php file of each individual forum....
post #58 of 83
It seems as though some MDCers will experience triggers before the kinks can be worked out (hopefully).

Not that this is failproof, but I have a feeling that MOST of the google baby ads will be weeded out quickly by the general MDC population. I also am willing to bet that the potentially problematic ones that come up with keywords like "sexual" and "divorce" are also weeded out quickly.

Maybe it won't be quick enough for someone not to feel badly, but I really hope that most of the google ads end up being for neutral stuff.
post #59 of 83
OOH I KNOW!!!

We can go into the Test forum, and create a thread JUST to weed out the offensive triggering google ads!!!!!

Once they go up, I'll start a thread in test and We'll just go in and Type in every type of triggering keyword, then report the ad for MDC to stick in the filter. And that's EVERY Triger add, caskets, urns, sexually explicit, all the way down to formula advertising and Cirucmcision clinics. The thread would have to be Admin Sanctioned so as not to be whacked with the banhammer of justice...but at least it would help build the filter alot faster than it would if we just allowed a faux pas to bring up the ad
post #60 of 83
First of all let me say that we have had the Google ads up on a test style for the past few days and I have seen nothing in the Surviving Abuse forum or in the Loss forums that others say would pop up. Even in the TCAC forum where penis is a very common word I have seen no ads that would be inappropriate in the sense some have predicted or have said they have seen elsewhere.

That's not to say that it is not possible that such ads would appear. But if they did we would certainly act quickly to remove them once we became aware of them. Google states that ads we list to remove will be pulled within two hours.

hawkfeather, what I am trying to do is consider what the implications are of what is being said and how that applies to everything on the forums. I don't find the "ads make money" comparison a justification for applying what is suggested here to ads but not to other aspects of potential insensitivity for members that members themselves place and certainly have no reason to do so other than personal wish. MDC needs the revenue to cover costs. Let's stop turning that into an evil aim. We're not talking about lining anyone's pockets but rather keeping MDC open and running, free of charge.

The whole matter of triggers is one that presents itself everytime someone posts their story. Any story could be a trigger for someone. Is it not more appropriately a matter of the individual being selective about what they read rather than a matter of us regulating the words members use to post their story? Even the titles of threads can present triggers for some. And yes, we do ask members to be sensitive about that in SA, and certainly we would remove something that we feel is simply too much to host, but just read through some of the posts and you can see the overwhelming number of threads in titles alone that are potential triggers. So I am not saying this hurt is okay because other things hurt. I'm saying let's be realistic about the whole internet experience.

More later. I need to get offline for now.
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