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post #61 of 122
The mechanics are different. With a intact partner the penis moves more inside itself as there is more skin to allow that natural movement pattern. So there is less rubbing of skin against skin between the penis and the vagina and more of a sense of pressure changes. Think of like there was a condom inside and the condom basically stayed put and the penis moved in and out of the condom inside the vagina. That's my best analogy.

You can definately still get sore and all that though, at least IME. It's not a cure all.
post #62 of 122
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Originally Posted by sandals View Post
Never said it was Just speculating that the large number of people rejecting the overall science of evolution in this country may lead to a large number of people rejecting the process of natural selection.
You know, I guess maybe I am giving people too much credit? Assuming that people are more educated than they are, etc. Sigh.

You would think, just in a basic pretense of logic, that fooling around with the human body's natural state of being would cause problems. Did people EVER think that?

Oh wait, circumcision started as a "cure" for masturbation (which of course is the ultimate evil and leads to disease of all sorts : ). So, perhaps these people who created got EXACTLY what they wanted in a way. They had the desire to alter the blissful experience of natural human sexuality.

So sad though that myself and my husband have to live with the consequences of those actions and a society which refused to protect our rights to full sexual functioning. They should have had no right to interfere with my "marital bed." Sigh.

Sorry, I am venting here. I read this same stuff all the time at the WORM group (Wives of Restoring Men). It can be truly frustrating reading of men and women having the same consequences of circumcision over and over...all for something that is just so preventable .
post #63 of 122
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We can take heart that some surverys are showing that these numbers of people rejecting evolution are dropping, so maybe Americans are becoming more apt to embrace science...meaning they will take studies and natural evidence more seriously...hopefully.
post #64 of 122

Questions about the "other" opening

I'm sorry if I put anyone off with this question, because this is not my intention... but I'm curious. I'm a gay intact male and a "bottom". My partner [I guess now-ex, since late-May after almost 6 years together] is (American and) a circumcised male and a "top". I've only been with him and vice versa. I'm wondering if anal intercourse is the same as vaginal when it comes to the feeling of a difference between having an intact partner or a circumcised one.

I hope it's okay to ask this, because I don't really know of any other forum to ask the question in. I _could_ go deeper into details in my past pretty much failed attempts to "top" him. I can say I kind of get the feeling of feeling my foreskin roll back and forth in him and I think THAT FEELS AWESOME!!! I was just wondering what I'm missing out getting it.

Ready to delete this post if necessary.
post #65 of 122
I would be disappointed if MDC deleted the same kind of informational sexual discussion that heterosexuals are privileged to indulge in just because it was homosexual discussion. That would be highly discriminatory.

I haven't been 'bottomed' in a long time (I'm a natural top anyways, make of that what you will ), Microsoap (and never by an intact guy), but I would wager the differences would be similar. Snugger fit, less natural lube, even more reason to avoid abrasions.
post #66 of 122
This is prob. a really dumb thing to ask but what are you all refering to when you say bottom and top? Are you talking about sexual positioning?
post #67 of 122
More or less. (I was being a little punny- top is more dominant, bottom more submissive in role play & er, just sex) but it can also mean giving as opposed to recieving for homosexual males (or females, if you borrow equipment. Otherwise, it's just a head thing with physical aspects).
post #68 of 122
^Lol I see. Thanks for clearing that up!
post #69 of 122
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This is prob. a really dumb thing to ask but what are you all refering to when you say bottom and top? Are you talking about sexual positioning?
Yep. You got it. The one who gives it is the top and the one who gets it is the bottom. One could also be versatile. I'm POSITIVE my inability to top him is not even remotely connected to my intact status and is a combination of it being a stressful situation for myself-- success, which means pysch'ing myself out not keeping erect enough. The other part-- and this is even bizarre for me to accept-- I can gladly receive it, but the thought of "going there" (topping) kind of "icks" me out. Oh, goodness, I don't think there's anything left unsaid about myself.
post #70 of 122
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Originally Posted by sandals View Post
We can take heart that some surverys are showing that these numbers of people rejecting evolution are dropping, so maybe Americans are becoming more apt to embrace science...meaning they will take studies and natural evidence more seriously...hopefully.
Seriously, there is a world of difference between horizontal evolution ie: "selective breeding" or "natural selection" and Darwinian vertical-jumping "Evolution". One is scientific, one is altogether unfounded scientifically(regardless of what big names buy into it or what the federal gov teaches our kids in gov. school, the evidence simply does not exist).

To state that embracing Evolution equates to embracing science is just wrong.
post #71 of 122
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Seriously, there is a world of difference between horizontal evolution ie: "selective breeding" or "natural selection" and Darwinian vertical-jumping "Evolution". One is scientific, one is altogether unfounded scientifically(regardless of what big names buy into it or what the federal gov teaches our kids in gov. school, the evidence simply does not exist).

To state that embracing Evolution equates to embracing science is just wrong.
not sure how to read your post, but I am connecting the two because Americans seem to as per the survery I have in front of me right now stating that "42% of americans believe life has existed on earth in its present form since the beginning of time". So that would also seem to indicate a rejection of natural selection itself, or any other method of small changes over time. NOtice it says "life" and not human life.

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying that many Americans do not tend to understand the difference between natural selection (a method)and evolution, as indicated here and in many many other studies on this issue.

If the numbers are right and the numbers of Americans who don not see this difference are falling (and hopefully that means the number of americans who understand evolution and its various theorized processes are rising), then we have reason to believe there is hope that arguments that center around natural selection will be more readily accepted.

ETA: sorry to bring my own thread OT, this is all I will say on this subject. Any further problems with my posts can be PMed to me for clarification or argument. Thanks. BACK ON TOPIC :-)
post #72 of 122
Micro, I haven't personally noticed a difference in that area. And that is about all I'm going to say on the subject LOL.
post #73 of 122
Now, don't nobody, gay or straight, be barebackin' till you know somebody reeeaaal well (like say, six months of mutual monogamy & a test).

I just felt obliged to give the PSA, you know.
post #74 of 122
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Originally Posted by mothragirl View Post
it glides, i know that is a made up word, but it is less "pokey". i can easily have a vaginal orgasm with an intact man, it is a lot harder with a circed man.
ditto: my hubby's cut
post #75 of 122
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
Ah, but have you been 'doing it' for thirty years? In my early twenties I might've said 'no problem' either. But vaginal mucusal skin gets thinner; circ'd men have to pump harder.
As uninterested in my parents' sex life as I am, I asked my mom about this. She said she never really noticed the difference with an intact or circ'd penis. And, she has never used lube or felt jackhammered. She's been doing it for 36 years.
post #76 of 122
Your mom gives you that kind of sex detail? ("Yeah, your Dad was good, but that guy in High School- wow!" )
post #77 of 122
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Originally Posted by Lila View Post
ACK! "High and tight" That's what we have. I got an amazing, wonderful, loving man so I can't complain, but I have never had an easy time of intimacy. It got easier after giving birth, but I still feel kinda roughed-up after. Poor guy hasn't had hardly any attention with this pregnancy. Every encounter leaves me swollen and sore for 2 days. Can a man with so little to work with (loose skin-wise, I mean) have any success with restoration?
you betcha. One of the reasons i found out about restoration was because of my problems with a very tight circ. Any man can restore no matter how much skin he has, it just takes longer to start making real progress for a tight cut guy because he must first stretch (usually though manual restoring or X-taping) enough skin so he can use a t-tape or device.
post #78 of 122
You know...I'm starting to believe that women who never have any discomfort or don't noticed a difference between circ'd and intact are the exception, not the rule. Also, I think denial might be a factor in some cases. One lady I know swears she loves circumcised men and that intact sex is "weird" -- I know that she circ'd her son and it almost seems to me that she is trying to validate that decision by saying how wonderful surgically altered penii are for women. blah.

TigerTail: I've just turned 25..so I guess that is about 7 years of sex(well actually the past 3.5 years I've been married almost don't count )...and it has always been uncomfortable for me too...with every new boyfriend, the first couple of times were usually ok just because of the newness and all...but I've always had to climax myself...many times trying to mentally picture something else because of the discomfort or detach-ed pounding. It is just soooo not what I dream about. Sometimes I dream of leaving and going to Europe(), but I do have kids and all...It would be nice to have a little fun every now and then though. *sigh*
post #79 of 122
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Originally Posted by twins10705 View Post
You know...I'm starting to believe that women who never have any discomfort or don't noticed a difference between circ'd and intact are the exception, not the rule.
i read about a study almosty a year ago that said something to the extent of only about 25% of women are able to attain orgasm during intercourse (or maybe it was able to attain orgasm during intercourse most of the time.) my sil is one of those women who can orgasm just about every single time, and she has been with intact and cut men. she doesn't have a preference, though (and cut her two boys ) i wonder if there is a correlation between the women who can regularly attain orgasm through vaginal stimulation only during intercourse, and women who have no preference between intact and circed sex.
post #80 of 122
Well, one thing you have to take into account is that people lie about this kind of stuff an awful lot . (I remember feeling bad hearing about a girlfriend's 'dozens & dozens' of orgasms, & then finding out she's never had one.)

People are heinous liars when it comes to sex (when they even know what they are talking about). So until I see it, feel it, or have it wired by electrodes to a meter, I'm gonna be skeptical. (BTW, I do, but it's more of a reflex, & I hardly count it quality-wise, compared to other *cough* forms of stimulation).

The phone sex was good for one thing; it helped me cut through a lot of the bull.
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