Healing the Gut Tribe-October - Page 11

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by firefaery

They will almost always be different. What you want to pay attention to (for internal body chemistry) is the number on the urine strip. You mouth's pH level will change constantly based on what you have *just* eaten, it will more reflect the acid/alkaline ash that a food produces. The urine will show how your body is reacting to the food.

Hmmm...the acid/alkaline food theory doesn't seem to hold very true for me, then, considering I eat mostly "acid-forming" foods (lots of meat!).

[Panserbjorne]

This was my whole point. The way your body responds to the food is a product of your metabolic type. SO if I'm a carb type and you're a protein type and we both eat a bunch of meat it will acidify my system and neutralize or even alkalinize yours. It's very cool. Do you know what your metabolic type is? Once you do the testing becomes a very useful tool for figuring out macronutrient ratios. I am a protein type-when I eat a vegan diet that is completely plant based I actually get really acidic. In theory (superficially) that should alkalinize me, but it doesn't even come close. That's why I think the SCD worked so well for me. All the meat, eggs, and nuts actually alkalinized my system.

[Panserbjorne]

Sorry-so my point is that it doesn't acutally matter what the ash residue is, what matters is how *you* metabolize the food. The urine will be a better indicator.

[Chinese Pistache]

Lots of thoughts/questions

I'm ordering DeFelice's book, "Enzyme for Autism." Would it be worthwhile or redundant to buy her "Enzymes for Digestive Health and Nutritional Well-being?"

Also, I've been contemplating taking dd to an allergist to get a blood test (not RAST) to determine what things she's reacting to. I wonder though if I'm wasting my time and money since *knowing* what we're allergic to won't really change the work we have to do to heal our guts. Any thoughts from anyone who's been there? Part of me wants to be able to monitor the lessening of her allergy/food sensitivity. The other part of me just doesn't want to deal with a mainstream doctor's approach to allergies.

Also, can someone explain to me about how milk (or whatever allergen) proteins pass through breastmilk. I've read that a mother who is digesting properly won't pass these proteins to her infant. Is that right? If so, there are A LOT of mothers out there with unwell guts. . .

How are you all taking garlic? Do you just swallow a chopped clove? And what time of day is best?

And I know this is technically an allergy question, but from a "healing the gut" pov, at what point does anaphylaxis become a possibility? Is it when a person has not been tolerating/digesting a particular food (say, peanuts) and their gut is a mess, and they *continue* to consume them? I ask because I'm trying to get my dd (14 mths) to take her enzymes, and I'm worried about putting it in peanut butter.

Finally, I ordered some chewable enzymes. Has anyone heard of them? I hope they aren't a waste of money. http://www.buyenzymes.com/t-nedigestchewables.aspx

[Chinese Pistache]

FF, do you have a book recommendation or link that explains the alkaline/acidity idea? Thx

[Panserbjorne]

Not really-this is just me taking snippets from various places, applying them and testing for results. It's not all that formal, but I am trying to figure it out. I think alot of what is out there doesn't account for different body chemistry.

[gilamama]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Argh! So what the heck am I supposed to feed her if she's reacting to avocado or CO?

havent scrolled to read the rest of the responses, but my dd(almost 9 months) would have mucous in her make EBF when i would eat certain things and then when i started feeding her ricealos would have it and now, she is eating egg yoke (soft boiled) and banana and has had no mucous in her make, and her excema is clearing up and her skin is not all dry but rather soooooooooo soft like a babys should be. I highly recoment egg yoke and maybe some cods liver oil or fish oil supplement for your dd. it will help build up tissues, cellwalls etc.. my dd also eats veggies cooked in chicken soup (potato and sweet potato) and soes well with them.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Sorry-so my point is that it doesn't acutally matter what the ash residue is, what matters is how *you* metabolize the food. The urine will be a better indicator.

I understood what you were saying...just to be a wise guy (not to you personally, just in general) I had to point out that if the saliva pH supposedly reflects the acid/alkaline ash, it doesn't seem very accurate to me since I had eggs & meat for breakfast and tested in the alkaline range for saliva anyway. Does that make sense? Sorry, I just needed to get some sarcasm out there!

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

How are you all taking garlic? Do you just swallow a chopped clove? And what time of day is best?

And I know this is technically an allergy question, but from a "healing the gut" pov, at what point does anaphylaxis become a possibility? Is it when a person has not been tolerating/digesting a particular food (say, peanuts) and their gut is a mess, and they *continue* to consume them? I ask because I'm trying to get my dd (14 mths) to take her enzymes, and I'm worried about putting it in peanut butter.

I crush garlic because the chopped garlic showed up in my stool...so I figured I wasn't getting the full benefit of it I take it with breakfast and lunch to try to give it a little bit of a chance to wear off before bedtime (poor DH!). Take it with meals, though (in the middle of a meal works best for me)--otherwise it will give you an upset stomach. I take a sip of warm tea and then pop some crushed garlic in and swallow it all.

I'm not sure anybody knows the answer to your anaphlaxis question...although I wish I knew, too. Have you tried giving your DD enzymes mixed with applesauce? I used to take them that way before I eliminated fruit from my diet.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

I'm ordering DeFelice's book, "Enzyme for Autism." Would it be worthwhile or redundant to buy her "Enzymes for Digestive Health and Nutritional Well-being?"

Also, I've been contemplating taking dd to an allergist to get a blood test (not RAST) to determine what things she's reacting to. I wonder though if I'm wasting my time and money since *knowing* what we're allergic to won't really change the work we have to do to heal our guts. Any thoughts from anyone who's been there? Part of me wants to be able to monitor the lessening of her allergy/food sensitivity. The other part of me just doesn't want to deal with a mainstream doctor's approach to allergies.

Also, can someone explain to me about how milk (or whatever allergen) proteins pass through breastmilk. I've read that a mother who is digesting properly won't pass these proteins to her infant. Is that right? If so, there are A LOT of mothers out there with unwell guts. . .

How are you all taking garlic? Do you just swallow a chopped clove? And what time of day is best?

And I know this is technically an allergy question, but from a "healing the gut" pov, at what point does anaphylaxis become a possibility? Is it when a person has not been tolerating/digesting a particular food (say, peanuts) and their gut is a mess, and they *continue* to consume them? I ask because I'm trying to get my dd (14 mths) to take her enzymes, and I'm worried about putting it in peanut butter.

Finally, I ordered some chewable enzymes. Has anyone heard of them? I hope they aren't a waste of money. http://www.buyenzymes.com/t-nedigestchewables.aspx

It seems like we are at similar stages in our healing process. I *think* both of Defelices books have similar info. About the peanuts, I personally would not not give them a lot if your DD is allergic to other foods or is sensitive in general. DeFelice has a whole chapter on how to mix enzymes with food to get kids to take them easily. I have swallowed garlic whole but I find it is more effective crushed. Sometimes I add it to my food (soup is not so bad with tons of garlic.) I am experimenting with taking it between meals, it got us some wicked die off-I now have a yeast rash on my face.

[Punchy Kaby]

So many questions...

Any reason I should not start giving enzymes to DS who is 10 months old and eating 3 good size solid meals a day?

Die-off-we are getting some wicked yeast rashes here, does that mean I am going at it too strong? How long can I expect the yeast flair up to last?

The one good thing about me getting the rash on my face is that now I test out creams and can tell which one works to alleviate the itch.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

Ier allergen) proteins pass through breastmilk. I've read that a mother who is digesting properly won't pass these proteins to her infant. Is that right? If so, there are A LOT of mothers out there with unwell guts. . .

my guess (nobody has studied this, so it is purely a hypothesis based on some reading i've done)...

if mama has leaky gut... large proteins from food she eats escape into the gut lumen (they haven't been broken down by the cells in the intestinal lining)... from there they slip into the bloodstream and into the lymph system and then into breastmilk.

i think that there are a lot more mamas with unwell guts than one thinks. pregnancy and labor can be hard on a body, and if one is not in good health to begin with, they probably wipe out the gut - more so labor because of the various interventions that have become commonplace (e.g., antibiotics for GBS).

[bluets]

caedmyn, apples and pears are supposed to be filled with pectin - supposed to be helpful for building up the gut lining. if i recall, turkey is chock full of glutamine, also helpful for the gut. what about trying some pureed ground turkey? eggs also have sulfur, no? organic sulfur (MSM) is needed to build up tissue between cells.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by Yin Yang

I wanted to ask you mamas about enzymes. I was gonna buy the Candex and then I found this product, which almost identical in the enzyme composition as the mentioned Candex but it's different brand. Can you tell me what you think about it? It's a great price! http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Candida-...nagement/cas-1

and this is Candex: http://www.vitacost.com/PureEssenceL...nagementSystem

there are really almost identical except the first one has 240 capsules.

I compared the ingredients to these products and the only difference is that there is 100 AG of glucoamylase in the NSI brand and 200 AG of glucoamylase in Candex. Glucoamylase breaks down starch to glucose. This is a small difference and the most important imgredient is the cellulase anyway.

Thanks for finding these, they are half as expensive as Candex

[Annikate]

I have to be quick, but will tell more later if you're interested.

Had a DAN doc appt. yesterday. We waited over 3 months to *see* him (it was a phone consult) and was sooo worth it.

We're working on dd's gut.

Anyway, while talking about NCD/zeolite, this guy said most recent studies are showing that it doesn't seem to chelate like it claims to. BUT . . . he is seeing results from it and his theory is is that it alkanalizes the gut.

Interesting, because it has helped dd soooo much.

So, even if it doesn't pull metals like it says it does, it's still helping her in significant ways.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by bluets

caedmyn, apples and pears are supposed to be filled with pectin - supposed to be helpful for building up the gut lining. if i recall, turkey is chock full of glutamine, also helpful for the gut. what about trying some pureed ground turkey? eggs also have sulfur, no? organic sulfur (MSM) is needed to build up tissue between cells.

Wouldn't the pectin be in the peel, though? DD's not going to be able to digest fruit peel. I've just started giving her bone broth, which is supposed to contain glutamine. I've thought about eggs, too, I'm just a little reluctant to start them because they're such a common allergen. I'm making coconut milk kefir right now and I'm going to start giving her that--I hope it helps!

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Annikate

I have to be quick, but will tell more later if you're interested.

Had a DAN doc appt. yesterday. We waited over 3 months to *see* him (it was a phone consult) and was sooo worth it.

We're working on dd's gut.

Anyway, while talking about NCD/zeolite, this guy said most recent studies are showing that it doesn't seem to chelate like it claims to. BUT . . . he is seeing results from it and his theory is is that it alkanalizes the gut.

Interesting, because it has helped dd soooo much.

So, even if it doesn't pull metals like it says it does, it's still helping her in significant ways.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I'd like to hear more when you get a chance...did you ever get your DD tested for mercury toxicity?

Also, if you have time can you post what all you've tried for your younger DD and what has/hasn't helped? I'm trying to work on my DD directly now instead of doing everything through me/breastmilk but I am kind of at a loss as to what to do.

[Panserbjorne]

Pectin is found in the fruit.

[Bestbirths]

I'm just ducking in here to sub and I have vent and a ramble of questions, if you don't mind. We are going through quite an dietary examination here with our six year old dd just diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. I have been considering stopping SCD, or at least having to add more foods if we eliminate nuts because they are high in oxalates. I am worried that two of my children were too thin on SCD. You can see their ribs and their bones stick out.

Then two other children aren't thin on it, but the one is moody (preteen), and the other is the dd with arthritis. Just now three out of four of them needed to get eyeglasses. The only one who didn't need glasses has uveitis. For the youngest to get uveitis and have an arthritis flare just when we were three months or so into eating a healthy diet is frustrating. Our daughter has had this pain which we now know to be undiagnosed arthritis for fourteen months, primarily foot pain, way back when we were eating gluten and casein free. We can't just say the SCD diet caused the foot pain, because it has been there for a full year previous. I do wonder though, why we would get uveitis while on the SCD? Right now the arthritis is really bad, but that could be because its the time of year when it gets cold and arthritis gets worse. It was really bad this time last year, we just didn't know what it was.

I went about reading about the whole eastern way of getting rid inflammation by eliminating all sat fats and red meats, and I just don't know what to do at this point. Our two thin children...well, I can't imagine that taking the sat fats out of their diet could be a wise idea. We would all like a traditional diet better than the eastern one, and cooking without any oils or very little sounds so un attractive, but we are willing to do what it takes for her to get better.

So, I'm taking a new look at traditional diets, looking at, maybe we were doing the SCD wrong, yk? We were transitioning into it...maybe we didn't eat enough veggies or we were neglecting some vital nutrients because we weren't making bone broths yet...and we really haven't done the yogurt that much. We have majored on fruit, meat, & nuts. Lots of peanut butter. Maybe we aren't taking into consideration allergies.

Maybe we aren't using the right kind of oils, we'd been using coconut oil. But also refined olive oil just the regular kind from the store, maybe that is the problem? Is just regular butter from the store we were using the problem? Were we eating too much fruit and not enough veggies. Well, maybe you can eat too much meat. Could we have been eating too much bacon and eggs? We would eat bacon 3 or 4 times a week.

Is there anyone who is using SCD or NT for rheumatoid arthritis? If so, what modifications do you make? Do you combine the SCD and avoiding high oxalate foods? Do you use SCD and avoid nightshades? Could it be the nuts and orange juice being high in oxalates causing pain?

The dc with arthritis has constipation, then sometimes unloads a large amount of loose stool all at once. I read the arthritis could be leaky gut, yeast, bacteria, or viral. On her hair test, it showed Aluminum, antimony, bismuth, tin, and titanium all in the yellow. Aluminum and bismuth were mid yellow.
She showed high calcium and mag on her hair test, does that mean she's dumping those nutrients? Selineum and Germanium were low. This was last february's hair test.

I'm wondering if the arthritis would get better if she chelated. I was thinking we could get more into the SCD or NT but add in soaked grains and beans and more veggies and maybe less meat?

Since eastern medicine calls arthritis a calcic disorder should we supplement more calcium and magnesium? The weston price website even said for some conditions a vegetarian diet is better. Which conditions does weston price think does better as vegetarian? It didn't say, but it made me wonder if arthritis was one of them.

sorry for the ramble....: I would like to know your take on it....

[Chinese Pistache]

Pardon this vent:

I hate feeling like my dd is a fragile, breakable piece of fine china. I hate being paranoid that her grandparents are going to give her something she's allergic to (just a "little lick of whipped cream": ). I'm stressed about what to feed her, wondering whether or not she'll take the supplements, trying to decide if she's too small, and whether or not I should take her to a doctor. Wondering if dh and I will ever have a night out alone again because I can't trust another person to watch her, not even family which sucks.

Ahhh! The mental pressure I feel about her and her health sure saps the joy I want to be feeling. : I've got to figure out some way to deal with these conflicting emotions because we'll be here for a while I feel like such a bad mother.