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post #1 of 8
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My son will be 4 months old next week and I have been using nipple shields since he was 2 days old. I have tried every method you can imagine to get rid of the stupid things and nothing has worked. I finally accepted that they were just going to be part of our nursing relationship indefinitely even though I hate them and they cause painful blisters. Giving breastmilk to my son was the most important thing to me so I just dealt with it.

But last week I found out that my son only gained 2 oz. in a month, and a lot of the people I've talked to are blaming the shields for lowering my supply. He has always seemed satisfied, had plenty of wet diapers, is meeting milestones, has grown a lot in length without looking any thinner to me (not any chubbier either, but he is just a small baby in general), etc. so I just assumed that everything was fine, but his weight threw me for a loop. I am not sure if it's just how he is naturally built (I know he is meant to be a tiny/skinny baby, but I'm not sure if 2 oz. in a month is healthy even for him) or if the shields really are the problem, but I am treating it as if I have a supply issue since it can't hurt to give him more.

I'm on the max dose of fenugreek and I'm double pumping with a Medela Pump in Style for 20 minutes immediately after each nursing session. I supplement him with what I pumped in the previous session using a 5 mL dropper, and it's usually 1-2 oz. total on top of whatever he gets from nursing alone. Some people are pushing me to give formula or order domperidone from overseas, and then there are others on the opposite extreme that think all the pumping and fenugreek is unnecessary and I shouldn't worry about it at all. His ped hasn't really said much of anything, but I will talk to her more at his 4 month checkup next week. I am worried she will tell me to start him on solids or supplement with formula, and I know neither is the end of the world, but it's not what I had planned on and would be disappointing.

In the meantime, I am yet again desperate to get rid of the shields so I won't even have to worry about these issues anymore. Has anybody used a shield this long and then successfully gotten rid of them? Anybody have a high needs baby that they were able to wean off of nipple shields after long-term use? What finally worked? I need some hope here. I feel like I am failing and like this nursing relationship is right on the edge of falling apart, and that breaks my heart. I desperately wanted to nurse at least a year, was hoping for 2 years. Now I feel like I will be lucky to make it to 6 months

My latest attempts have been latex shields (that are just like the Medela silicone shields, not the older style ones that are thick and shaped like bottle nipples) that I can cut a bit away from over time until nothing is left, and I just ordered an SNS. I have gotten him to nurse with the latex shields a few times, but ever since I gave him several bottles in a day to give him the EBM that I had pumped he fights nursing in general and the path of least resistance is the silicone shield. I'm hoping to get him used to it again (seems to be going ok so far) and then start trying to switch to the latex shields again. They aren't nearly as stiff as the silicone and I know they smell and taste different, so it's not as simple as just switching over to them. I did get him to latch on to the breast for 5 minutes yesterday, the longest he's latched on shield-less since he was a few weeks old, and he pulled off after the initial flow of milk slowed down. That's what inspired me to try the SNS, thinking that if I could entice him with a steadier flow of milk that he might be more willing to take the breast, plus if I can use that to supplement him instead of the dropper it will save me some time and it won't cause nipple confusion.

Oh, and just for reference, these are all the weights I have record of:
Birth: 5 lb. 12 oz.
2 weeks: 5 lb. 12 oz.
3 weeks: 6 lb. 3 oz.
5.5 weeks: 7 lb. 7 oz.
2 months: 8 lb. 8 oz.
2.5 months: 9 lb.
3.5 months: 9 lb. 2 oz. (this was a week ago, I will weigh him again today to compare and see if all of the pumping/supplementing in the past week has caused him to gain anything)


Edited to add that I've seen two LCs and I've also talked to LLL leaders and my midwife, and so far none of their help or suggestions have worked to get rid of the shields. I don't want to try and go cold turkey because I know my son will scream bloody murder for hours, and with the weight gain concerns I don't want him going that long without eating.
post #2 of 8
Have you tried taking the shield off mid-feeding? The SNS will definitely be better for supplementing than the bottle, keeps in his mind that the breast is the best place to be. I feel for you Mama. My friend used a shield for about 4 months and one day, her baby just latched on before she could put it on and they never looked back. I hope this happens for you.
post #3 of 8
This probably isn't terribly helpful but I used nipple shields for about 3 mos with my ds and I took a really laid back approach to getting him off. Maybe once every week I would try to remove the shield in the middle of a nursing session. He never wanted any part of it until one day he actually latched onto my breast and nursed!! I never offered the shield again (I didn't want to cause confusion or anything since he finally nursed at the breast) and he never seemed to miss it. We still struggle sometimes with him clearly needing to nurse but crying or turning away and what helps is if I get him sucking on my finger and bring him toward my breast and then switch the breast for my finger. He almost always latches on when I do this.

Anyway, I feel for you and hope you can get him nursing on the breast soon. BTW, oatmeal and brewer's yeast always give my supply a big boost. And I definitely echo the no bottle advice above.
post #4 of 8
I used them for a long time with dd, and we did eventually get rid of them.

When I used them, I used the silicone ones because I'm latex sensitive. I took scissors and I cut a 'half moon' out of the silicone at the area where her nose will be touching breast. That kept her associating my smell with her food, and not the silicone smell.

It took a lot of tries, but I just kept popping the shield off half way through a feeding and eventually she didn't care that it was gone. We haven't used one in months.

If you're getting injured by the shield, do you have the correct size for you? It took me a while to realize that they came in different sizes, and one of the ones I bought was super teeny and my mondo-mammoth-nipple was not going to fit in that thing.
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Have you tried taking the shield off mid-feeding? The SNS will definitely be better for supplementing than the bottle, keeps in his mind that the breast is the best place to be. I feel for you Mama. My friend used a shield for about 4 months and one day, her baby just latched on before she could put it on and they never looked back. I hope this happens for you.
Thanks. Yes, I've tried that. I will even do it during a letdown so there is milk spraying out and he just won't take it. He is very tempermental and picky in general so I guess the same applies to getting him to change his ways with nursing. If I don't do things his way, he gets MAD. He had JUST woken up when he latched on the other day, so I know that's why, but it's nearly impossible to get him in position to nurse at just the right moment to do that without fully waking him up (especially since he takes 90% of his naps in the wrap carrier), otherwise I'd be trying it much more often.
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This probably isn't terribly helpful but I used nipple shields for about 3 mos with my ds and I took a really laid back approach to getting him off. Maybe once every week I would try to remove the shield in the middle of a nursing session. He never wanted any part of it until one day he actually latched onto my breast and nursed!! I never offered the shield again (I didn't want to cause confusion or anything since he finally nursed at the breast) and he never seemed to miss it. We still struggle sometimes with him clearly needing to nurse but crying or turning away and what helps is if I get him sucking on my finger and bring him toward my breast and then switch the breast for my finger. He almost always latches on when I do this.

Anyway, I feel for you and hope you can get him nursing on the breast soon. BTW, oatmeal and brewer's yeast always give my supply a big boost. And I definitely echo the no bottle advice above.
Thanks. I've heard a few other stories of babies who just randomly started latching on like that. You could knock me over with a feather if that happened with us!

I am eating oatmeal for breakfast every day. I haven't tried brewers yeast though. Would that make me more prone to thrush? I have a horrible time keeping yeast at bay.
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I used them for a long time with dd, and we did eventually get rid of them.

When I used them, I used the silicone ones because I'm latex sensitive. I took scissors and I cut a 'half moon' out of the silicone at the area where her nose will be touching breast. That kept her associating my smell with her food, and not the silicone smell.

It took a lot of tries, but I just kept popping the shield off half way through a feeding and eventually she didn't care that it was gone. We haven't used one in months.

If you're getting injured by the shield, do you have the correct size for you? It took me a while to realize that they came in different sizes, and one of the ones I bought was super teeny and my mondo-mammoth-nipple was not going to fit in that thing.
I used silicone shields from the beginning because that's all I knew there was and that's what was given to me. They are the Medela contact shields that already come with a cutout for the baby's nose to be close to mom's skin. I ordered the latex ones from England, and they didn't come with that cutout but I traced the outline of the silicone shield onto them and cut them myself so that they could be contact shields too. That helps him get my scent more but the latex does have a strong-ish smell naturally, and it's much flimsier than the silicone so it's very different for him. I haven't bothered trying the latex since Sunday because I was struggling to get him on the breast at all after the whole "spoiled by the bottle" fiasco, and I figured using the most familiar thing to him (the silicone shields) would be the best way to get him back to accepting the breast without a fight. I might start trying to use the latex ones again in a few days since he seems to be ok with nursing again now. He does pull off a LOT throughout the whole session but that's just him being demanding about getting a faster flow of milk all the time, and the same thing would happen without the shields, I'm sure. Hopefully the SNS will help some with that.

I did start getting blisters initially because I needed to move up to a larger shield, but now I am using the regular 24 mm ones, which are as large as they go. They gave me blisters for a while too but I guess my skin has toughened up to the point that I don't get them anymore. Thank God for that, it was awful being in so much pain all the time. Now the shields are just an inconvenience and annoyance, and of course the whole supply issue. I really would like to get rid of them sometime soon.
post #8 of 8
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Just an update, my little guy weighed in at 9 lb 6 oz before a feeding and 9 lb 9 oz after a feeding yesterday, a week after I started pumping regularly and upped my fenugreek to the max dose, so the hard work is paying off and he is gaining weight. Now the next step is to get rid of the shields so I can ease off of the pumping and supply boosting measures and just enjoy nursing my baby for once.
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