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Originally Posted by babybugmama View Post
So I wonder where they will go given that they are trapped on the island? I wonder if the "sub" will come into play?
I was assuming that there really is only one island (I realize this is still under debate). If they wanted to keep someone away (Alex) you would think they would leave her on the main island, that way they wouldn't have to worry about her "breaching the compound."

But if there are two islands, I am wondering with you what they will do and where they will go! Getting an hour head start won't do Kate much good if they're stuck on an island!
post #622 of 694
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Originally Posted by jenandavery View Post
I am not sure if I think they have a need for babies in as much as they want to make sure that the babies and children are "saved." They claim they are good, and they are helping the ones they take. It is my guess that they took Alex and Walt to try to save them (I have no idea from what or whom). I guess this gets back to how they determined who got on the list as being good, and what happened to those people. It seems if they wanted Aaron they would have him by now. Maybe they wanted to use her stem cells after the birth to help treat Ben.
Hmmmm, that's an interesting thought, the whole stem cells thing. Ah, so many possibilities.
post #623 of 694
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Originally Posted by jenandavery View Post
It seems if they wanted Aaron they would have him by now. Maybe they wanted to use her stem cells after the birth to help treat Ben.
Definitely. They tried so hard to get Claire but really haven't made a move since Aaron was born.
post #624 of 694
I think stem cells too. Once they find out Sun is pg I guess they try and take her too.

Something else though, is Juliette really a fertility doctor? Ben has been there his entire life, has she too. If so where did she learn how to become a fertility doctor? Was she from the outside world and brought in either by accident or on purpose?
post #625 of 694
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Originally Posted by CarrieMF View Post
Something else though, is Juliette really a fertility doctor? Ben has been there his entire life, has she too. If so where did she learn how to become a fertility doctor? Was she from the outside world and brought in either by accident or on purpose?
And why on earth would they need a ferility doctor on the island? Seems like a regular doctor would be more in demand!
post #626 of 694
I am still not sure if I believe the "two island" thing. Because that one time when Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, and Jack went off to find the Others and they confronted them and said "don't cross this line, this is our side of the island." Of course, it's entirely possible that they went to the Losties island in their boat and then told them that not wishing to reveal their own little island. But they seem to be on the Losties' island quite a bit and in great numbers. I don't know. I'm confused. I'm also wondering if it isn't possible for a competent swimmer to swim a mile or two if that's all it really is to the other island. I suppose the danger is that you could get carried out to sea; it kind of depends on how open the waters are between "Alcatraz" and Lost Island.
post #627 of 694
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Originally Posted by nonconformnmom View Post
I think it said "lift up your eyes and look north". Yes, here's a photo of the stick. And here's a photo of the negative pregnancy test. A Widmore Labs pregnancy test! Dun-dun DUN!
sorry if this stuff has already been mentioned...

The verse in John is odd, it doesn't say anything about looking north or such and also, it is written wrong on the stick. you would say John 3:5, not 3:05.
The only verse that gives any direction to look is the Gen 13:14 and even then its kinda a look north south easr west kinda thing.
Did you all notice the Hurley numbers in echos stick at the bottom? I wonder why he put those there?
post #628 of 694
I must have missed something. When was Sawer told they were on a little island like alcatraz? When did he hear that?
post #629 of 694
The Others took Sawyer on a "walk" to the top of the island. When they got up there, you could see the other island (where the Losties are) about a mile away across the water. It was right after they pretended to put the pacemaker in.
post #630 of 694
Just watched the episode last night and I totally loved it--thought it was by far the best episode this season. I loved Jack--seems like he finally figured some things out about the others. I too am wondering where Kate and Sawyer are going to run if they are on another island. Maybe Kate should have mentioned that to Jack when they were talking on the phone?!!? About her leaving her cop husband, I think she just got really freaked out about being a homemaker and almost getting pregnant--maybe she didn't want to bring a child into the world with all the lies and the pregnancy scare pushed her over the edge. At first I thought the cop was Ethan--they bore a striking resemblance to one another in my mind.

I can't get the previews on the computer, so if you could tell me what they say I would be totally happy!! Thanks a lot.
post #631 of 694
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Originally Posted by treemom2 View Post
At first I thought the cop was Ethan--they bore a striking resemblance to one another in my mind.
Oh good I wasn't crazy in thinking that it was Ethan for a bit either! I thought my pregnancy-induced poor eyesight was getting worse for a second!
post #632 of 694
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
I also think that what Ben said about them being on different islands is BS--how do they explain how Alex just comes running out of the jungle? If she's not supposed to be there why didn't they put her on the other (main) island? I can't wait for her to meet her mom either...
Sawyer sure bought it and didn't even try to move, though. They could have run off to have their tryst, and who knows? Hidden? Been spared the whole gunpoint thing? Found out that it's "their" island, afterall. Jack seemed much more suspicious/distrusting than Sawyer did, this time around.

It's possible Alex has been lurking in the weeds and bushes all this time (since we saw her, what, a few days ago, hiding near Kate and whispering to her?) I don't think her presence proves that there is NOT a second island. Maybe they just didn't have tabs on her, or have her "in hand" to know where she was, until she came busting out like gangbusters.

I'd have been tripped out by that one, too (Kate and Sawyer's exchange of looks while Alex is screaming "RUN!" at Kate.) Dude, what would you think?!

When was the exchange with Picket? (The "Jacob didn't even want him" bit people have been referencing.) Was that near the end in the rain when they were invading Sawyer's cage? Who were they saying Jacob didn't want? (Was that Sawyer's name?)

I'd agree that Jacob was somebody else, not Ethan. Ethan and Goodwin brought the lists, "Jacob" chose from them. Weren't most of the stolen ones coming from the other Lostee camp, where Ana Lucia and Eko were? (And they killed one of the Others--a woman?--one night when they were able to botch a kidnapping, right? Were they trying to steal Eko? So he was one of the "good ones," right?) Not much kidnapping (other than Claire) going on at the "main camp," so it brings up some questions.
post #633 of 694
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Originally Posted by hip_mama View Post
sorry if this stuff has already been mentioned...

The verse in John is odd, it doesn't say anything about looking north or such and also, it is written wrong on the stick. you would say John 3:5, not 3:05.
The only verse that gives any direction to look is the Gen 13:14 and even then its kinda a look north south easr west kinda thing.
Did you all notice the Hurley numbers in echos stick at the bottom? I wonder why he put those there?
I looked at this link for the stick, and then read the comments below and somone brought up a good point, that it probably isn't a bible reference to John, but to John Locke -- telling him to look up, and who knows, maybe the 3:05 is some type of directional reference on the island.
Sooooooo many possiblities it leaves your head spinning ~ in a good way
post #634 of 694
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Originally Posted by AmyC View Post

When was the exchange with Picket? (The "Jacob didn't even want him" bit people have been referencing.) Was that near the end in the rain when they were invading Sawyer's cage? Who were they saying Jacob didn't want? (Was that Sawyer's name?)
I'm pretty sure that was in reference to Jack. Picket said basically that Ben was crazy for letting "one of them" operate on him. Then he said "shepard (Jack) wasn't even on Jacob's list." I was thinking maybe some list of the "good" people that the others are so concerned with but I dunno.
post #635 of 694
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Originally Posted by treemom2 View Post
At first I thought the cop was Ethan--they bore a striking resemblance to one another in my mind.
I had to keep rewatching the scene because I also thought the cop was Ethan.
post #636 of 694
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Originally Posted by lurable View Post
I'm pretty sure that was in reference to Jack. Picket said basically that Ben was crazy for letting "one of them" operate on him. Then he said "shepard (Jack) wasn't even on Jacob's list." I was thinking maybe some list of the "good" people that the others are so concerned with but I dunno.

Okay, you're right. I couldn't remember the surname when I wrote the post, and when I'd read it earlier on the thread I couldn't place who "Shepard" was, but of course it's Jack. Thanks for the clarification, and for putting the quote in context! I had trouble following some of Picket's dialog, I think. I was always rewinding to see what he was yelling at them, etc.

(And yes, Ben's crazy to let one of 'them' operate on him! I guess he believes in Jack's ultimate principles as a doctor. Such a strange dynamic, there. I kept expecting Jack to look down and say, "There's no tumor here." I can't believe he didn't ask for updated x-rays, at the very least. Or didn't study the ones available to him, though I know that could have happened off-camera.)

Interesting to speculate what might qualify someone as "good." Goodwin told AL that Nathan wasn't good (what a creepy moment, btw), and that always made me wonder. He seemed like a good guy to me, with good qualities (admittedly, I only saw those parts of the show in the one-fell-swoop review episodes with voiceover, and then I did catch a re-run or two featuring the Tailees after I started watching the show), but maybe what the Others are looking for in "good" people bears little relation to what we might consider good. I figured, early on, that Locke might be desirable to them, but maybe not. Maybe "good" means a certain state of impressionability, being moldable?

I thought Kate was pretty happy in her life with Kevin, but freaking out about what was hanging over her. The passport issue, getting in deeper and deeper with the "Monica" charade, figuring out how to handle it all and seeing it as overwhelming (finding a way to avoid international travel and perhaps any flying at all for the rest of their lives together? Kind of improbable and daunting to think about, unless she totally sells Kevin on the idea that she's terrified of flying....), and worried about being found out and hurting the people that she cares for (Kevin, his mom, and we assume the rest of his family, their community.) The pregnancy test, and her stress about it (she did seem grieved that it was negative, but maybe she was just upset that she even suspected pregnancy at all) was the final straw. (Then again, was Kevin doing some paperwork about a recovered fugitive when we saw him working online at the end, just before she bolted? That kind of work would be a little too close to home for a paranoid person!)

When she said, "I almost had a baby!", I thought it was probably making the point of what a wakeup call that was. That it had been a possibility was the upsetting thing. Whether she wanted a baby and a life with Kevin was beside the point for her, I think. Her pessimism about whether peace and security and normalcy was possible, available to her, was the point. Then of course, there's the taco night reference. I guess it's legit to say she could have been chafing, chomping at the bit to get out of domestic bliss. She loves the dude but hates the ranch? I dunno, but it's possible that you could read the baby with the scorn for taco night and say it was like a wake up call for her, saying she can't do that.

That's not quite how I took it, though. My feeling was more that she wanted to do the domestic thing, at least to some extent (being married, having a stable and nourishing life, having a kid, maybe not the cutesy cooking and the aprons), but was aggrieved because she felt it would end someday and she had to get out before it went to far. Because if they had a baby and then she was found out, even years down the road, it would be unthinkable. So she felt it just was not available to her.

I thought they made it pretty clear that she loved him and wanted to be with him, to be left alone and secure. And the point was not that she had used up her tolerance for making cute French toast and planning meals, and therefore was itching to split. But with the dialog, either possibility is probably valid.
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Did anyone notice that the tickets Kevin bought for Kate/Monica were on Oceanic Airlines? Not a super big deal, of course, if it's supposed to be a big airline. But I noticed that.
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What are everyone's thoughts about Alex after that episode. She certainly seems to have won immunity on the island as she seems to be untouchable by The Others even though she has been openly rebelling for some time. I suspect she has a blood relationship with Ben - maybe she is his daughter? Is that possible? He certainly sounded paternal when he asked "Did Alex ask about me?" as he was going for surgery.

Also, her threatening Pickett with a slingshot - a reference to David vs. Goliath? Maybe not having Pickett be Goliath but Alex is David against the collective Others as her Goliath? She is facing their awesome power alone.
post #639 of 694
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Originally Posted by bethwl View Post
I am still not sure if I believe the "two island" thing. Because that one time when Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, and Jack went off to find the Others and they confronted them and said "don't cross this line, this is our side of the island." Of course, it's entirely possible that they went to the Losties island in their boat and then told them that not wishing to reveal their own little island. But they seem to be on the Losties' island quite a bit and in great numbers. I don't know. I'm confused.
It's been speculated that the Others have their homes (suburbia) and other things (obviously, the decoy camp that Sayid & crew found, which was an active place when they had Walt or at least when they got Michael) on THE island. We saw the plane split in two above suburbia, and Ben sent Goodwin and Ethan off on foot. The camera pan revealed the two smoking crash sites on either side of the island, with the tree- and mountain-ringed suburbia on the same land.

It's clear that they do spend a lot of time on that island, but that doesn't mean there's not a second island. (Though it could have been a ruse to deflate Sawyer, of course.)

Yes, they did make it clear to Jack, Locke, Sawyer and Sayid that there was a line they should not cross, that beyond the line was "their" side of the island. (That was the night they were chasing Michael, who'd run off after the message from "Walt" came over the computer. I always wondered how that could be timed so nicely, to start up the communication when Michael would be there at the keyboard, but of course the hatch was on camera, so there you go.) Their heavy presence on the main island doesn't make the second island flat-out false. It's possible that the compound with the cages & quarry is on the second island. And evidently, the O.R. is, too.

Someone here speculated that the line was drawn to make sure none of the Lostees got to a physical vantage point where they could see the second island.

But then, you'd think Desmond might have seen it in his sailing around "the snowglobe." Unless the magnetism thing was between the islands, and made Alcatraz invisible (and kept him from sailing past the "force field.") Maybe the supposed line was just to protect suburbia from being discovered, because at that point the second island was still invisible.
post #640 of 694
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Originally Posted by nonconformnmom View Post
What are everyone's thoughts about Alex after that episode. She certainly seems to have won immunity on the island as she seems to be untouchable by The Others even though she has been openly rebelling for some time. I suspect she has a blood relationship with Ben - maybe she is his daughter? Is that possible? He certainly sounded paternal when he asked "Did Alex ask about me?" as he was going for surgery.
Well, she's definitely "gone public." She helped Claire on the sly, and she slunk around in the bushes when talking to Kate previously. Back when the posse chased after Michael (and Kate was following "secretly"), Alex was the one holding Kate off-camera before Zeke brought her out as leverage to make Jack & pack surrender their guns. So they trusted her with "jobs" back then.

But now, her anger is pretty obvious. I agree about their approach to her. They seem to treat her as if she's disturbed, or mentally ill, or crazy with grief or something. Sort of like cornering a crazed animal, but they definitely contained her once they could grab her and shut her down.

As far as Ben's comment....it was weird. But wasn't Rousseau pregnant when she landed/crashed on the island with her "crew"? I can't say for sure but it seems right to my memory.
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