Originally Posted by lurable
I'm pretty sure that was in reference to Jack. Picket said basically that Ben was crazy for letting "one of them" operate on him. Then he said "shepard (Jack) wasn't even on Jacob's list." I was thinking maybe some list of the "good" people that the others are so concerned with but I dunno.
Okay, you're right. I couldn't remember the surname when I wrote the post, and when I'd read it earlier on the thread I couldn't place who "Shepard" was, but of course it's Jack. Thanks for the clarification, and for putting the quote in context! I had trouble following some of Picket's dialog, I think. I was always rewinding to see what he was yelling at them, etc.
(And yes, Ben's crazy to let one of 'them' operate on him! I guess he believes in Jack's ultimate principles as a doctor. Such a strange dynamic, there. I kept expecting Jack to look down and say, "There's no tumor here." I can't believe he didn't ask for updated x-rays, at the very least. Or didn't study the ones available to him, though I know that could have happened off-camera.)
Interesting to speculate what might qualify someone as "good." Goodwin told AL that Nathan wasn't good (what a creepy moment, btw), and that always made me wonder. He seemed like a good guy to me, with good qualities (admittedly, I only saw those parts of the show in the one-fell-swoop review episodes with voiceover, and then I did catch a re-run or two featuring the Tailees after I started watching the show), but maybe what the Others are looking for in "good" people bears little relation to what we might consider good. I figured, early on, that Locke might be desirable to them, but maybe not. Maybe "good" means a certain state of impressionability, being moldable?
I thought Kate was pretty happy in her life with Kevin, but freaking out about what was hanging over her. The passport issue, getting in deeper and deeper with the "Monica" charade, figuring out how to handle it all and seeing it as overwhelming (finding a way to avoid international travel and perhaps any flying at all for the rest of their lives together? Kind of improbable and daunting to think about, unless she totally sells Kevin on the idea that she's terrified of flying....), and worried about being found out and hurting the people that she cares for (Kevin, his mom, and we assume the rest of his family, their community.) The pregnancy test, and her stress about it (she did seem grieved that it was negative, but maybe she was just upset that she even suspected pregnancy at all) was the final straw. (Then again, was Kevin doing some paperwork about a recovered fugitive when we saw him working online at the end, just before she bolted? That kind of work would be a little too close to home for a paranoid person!)
When she said, "I almost had a baby!", I thought it was probably making the point of what a wakeup call that was. That it had been a possibility was the upsetting thing. Whether she wanted a baby and a life with Kevin was beside the point for her, I think. Her pessimism about whether peace and security and normalcy was possible, available to her, was the point. Then of course, there's the taco night reference. I guess it's legit to say she could have been chafing, chomping at the bit to get out of domestic bliss. She loves the dude but hates the ranch? I dunno, but it's possible that you could read the baby with the scorn for taco night and say it was like a wake up call for her, saying she can't do that.
That's not quite how I took it, though. My feeling was more that she wanted to do the domestic thing, at least to some extent (being married, having a stable and nourishing life, having a kid, maybe not the cutesy cooking and the aprons), but was aggrieved because she felt it would
end someday and she had to get out before it went to far. Because if they had a baby and then she was found out, even years down the road, it would be unthinkable. So she felt it just was not available to her.
I thought they made it pretty clear that she loved him and wanted to be with him, to be left alone and secure. And the point was not that she had used up her tolerance for making cute French toast and planning meals, and therefore was itching to split. But with the dialog, either possibility is probably valid.