many questions

[MsGrizzle]

I'm trying to help a friend with a 2 month old so hopefully I've got the questions right and hopefully they make sense...

How exactly does delaying/selectively vaccinate work? I am in CT. We have to provide daycare with a Health Care provider form where the doctor must fill out the vaxes that are completed. On this form there is also a section for religious and medical exemption for the *ped* to fill out.

If one's ped works with the delayed/selective schedule, do they just not fill in the ones that have been done and check off the religious exemption box instead? Or would they allow a temporary medical exemption? Does this not provide some sort of ethical issue for the ped?

Or does it have to be a religious exemption if a slective route is chosen?

Also, I saw this posted in another thread:

You can submit a religious exemption and then privately vax how you wish. Many mama's here (and everywhere) do that b/c that's the only way they can do what they want (when they want) without interference.

How do you vax "privately"? Again, how does this work with the state health form where the ped needs to fill out the vaccine info? Does one go to a different doctor?

And finally, on the CT web site, it says this about daycare:

a written statement that immunization is contrary to the religious beliefs and practices of the child or the parent of such child. Such statement shall be signed by the child's parent [and shall include affirmation of church membership by an appropriate church authority].

On other sites I've seen it say that the part in brackets has been removed? Which is correct? She does not belong to a church at this time.

Thanks in advance!

[Mommy To Baby Roni]

If your friend is vaccinating on a delayed or selective schedule that would mean her child would not be "fully" vaccinated, I suggest she sign off on the religious exemption and submit that. This has NOTHING to do with her pediatrician and she would not have her pediatrician sign or fill out the vaccination card.

Referring to the quote about vaccinating "privately", that means that a parent would still continue to vaccinate for their selected vaccines or on their delayed schedule without notifying the school. The local health department does not take the cards turned in by the school and compare records from the pediatrician to make sure they match.

But, the key is, the school/daycare cannot know your friend continues to vaccinate once she has filed her religious exemption. If they do, they will believe her religious exemption is a lie and force her to fully vax immediately. It's unfortunate that parents are forced to take this route in order to vax on in the manner they find best for their child's health.

As far as the CT law goes, I'll have to look it up later and get back to you. My guess is that it was removed. As far as I know, there is no state that requires the sign-off of a religious tenet. Maybe LI can help you with that. She's the expert around here on state exemption laws.

[MsGrizzle]

f your friend is vaccinating on a delayed or selective schedule that would mean her child would not be "fully" vaccinated, I suggest she sign off on the religious exemption and submit that. This has NOTHING to do with her pediatrician and she would not have her pediatrician sign or fill out the vaccination card

Unfortunately, the ped DOES have to fill out the form with the vaccinations and exemptions. Please see page 2 on the link. This is the form we must have a doctor fill out for both daycare or school.

http://www.dph.state.ct.us/BRS/Day_C...alth%20form%22

Unless we're misinterpreting this? Doesn't the ped need to know about the exemption and agree to it?

[CallMeMommy]

From 909shot.com:

"Before being permitted to enter seventh grade, a child shall receive a second immunization against measles. Any such child who (1) presents a certificate from a physician or local health agency stating that initial immunizations have been given to such child and additional immunizations are in process under guidelines and schedules specified by the Commissioner of Public Health; or (2) presents a certificate from a physician stating that in the opinion of such physician, such immunization is medically contraindicated because of the physical condition of such child; or (3) presents a statement from the parents or guardian of such child that such immunization would be contrary to the religious beliefs of such child; "

Bolding mine. The physician DOES NOT and CANNOT fill out a religious exemption form.

[CallMeMommy]

Originally Posted by soapdiva

Unfortunately, the ped DOES have to fill out the form with the vaccinations and exemptions. Please see page 2 on the link. This is the form we must have a doctor fill out for both daycare or school.

http://www.dph.state.ct.us/BRS/Day_C...alth%20form%22

Unless we're misinterpreting this? Doesn't the ped need to know about the exemption and agree to it?

I'm a bad helper, see my post down below!

[MsGrizzle]

You're misinterpreting it. All the doctor has to fill out is the first page. You submit the exemption IN PLACE OF the second page (the shot record).

OK thanks but what about all of the other things on the second page not related to vax? The daycare/school doesn't require that info? The parents fill out the first page. Why does the physician page then have the exemption info for them to fill out?

Sorry, I'm very confused...:

[CallMeMommy]

Originally Posted by soapdiva

OK thanks but what about all of the other things on the second page not related to vax? The daycare/school doesn't require that info?

Sorry, I'm very confused...:

I just came back to correct myself! I skimmed the vax part and didn't understand it correctly (bad Lisa!). He will have to sign it just because the vax portion is on the same page, but he can't give you or deny you the exemption per se. Fill that portion out before you even give him the form, just put an X on the line after "Religious" at the end of the vax section.

[MsGrizzle]

Thanks!

So a ped will be okay with the exemption knowing the person will be delaying/selectively vaxing? I guess this is up to the individual ped?

[Fyrestorm]

You might also want to remond her to "opt out" of the vaccine registry. As far as I know, it's currently not available to schools, but you never knw and any vaxes she does recieve will be recorded with the state.

[CallMeMommy]

Originally Posted by soapdiva

Thanks!

So a ped will be okay with the exemption knowing the person will be delaying/selectively vaxing? I guess this is up to the individual ped?

Every ped reacts differently. I'm guessing if you just said you're delaying they wouldn't have a problem, but you never know. BTW, on that form, don't list ANY vaccinations at all if you're using the religious exemption, even if they've had them before. It just makes things easier. Don't give any indication on the form that you might give some vaxes eventually or you will be doing some and not others because it could void the entire exemption.

[MsGrizzle]

Thanks so much - I will pass all of this along to her.

[Mommy To Baby Roni]

Thanks for that link. Some schools or states use separate cards or forms - 1 for the health exam and one for the vax status.

So a ped will be okay with the exemption knowing the person will be delaying/selectively vaxing?

Like already said, it depends on the doctor. Imo, your friend may want to have 2 different doctors now - one for the yearly exam who fills out this form, but doesn't give vaxes and checks the "religious exemption" part as long as the ped isn't notified & there's not a vaccine registry where all docs can look up vax history), and then another doctor (or the health district) where she goes to get vaccinations done (hence, "vaccinating privately").