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post #41 of 77
This thread gets more inspirational each time I read it. I have suffered from undiagnosed depression since my teen years (Amanda, your descriptions of some of your "meals" reminded me of mine from high school - a soda and chips for "nutrition" break, McD's fries and a shake for lunch, followed by either tennis practice, a match, or track & field, depending on the season. . I refused, though, to admit that anything might be wrong, and kept going about life. I also have always dealt with a severe sugar addiction, though I would never had admitted that. To the outside, I looked very healthy (5'9" and 140 pounds at my wedding! ), though I was sick quite a bit. The year following the birth of my first son was horrible. I was terribly sick at one point (dr. said it was a very prolonged asthma attack, though I would put money on it being pertussis), hated my job, was tired, weaned my son at 9 months (long story for another post), and then ended up pregnant when he was only 14 months old. I miscarried that baby and my depression hit very hard. My ob prescribed paxil, which I continued through the pregnancy of my second son, as well as 1 1/2 years of nursing him. I know my lack of health and nutrition, as well as the side-affects of my depression got passed onto him. He has major speech delays (more than likely will get an official diagnosis of verbal apraxia), and seems to have some minor sensory issues. But, considering what could be, we feel very fortunate that is all. I just had our third son. I nursed throughout that pregnancy and am now tandem nursing. I thank God that I found The Maker's Diet, which put us along this path, just before getting pregnant. Although my diet was way off during most of the pregnancy, it was 10x better than before. I knew, though, once I had Elliot, that I was not going to be managing things well. My temper was very short, and considering I don't do well on limited sleep, not getting much sleep wasn't helping at all. Between NT/EFLF concepts, what I learned through TMD, and The Mood Cure, I feel I am finally on the mend. I am loosing weight that I had carried after my second son's birth. I can typically manage each day without collapsing on the couch in the afternoon for a nap (though if I sit around that time I'll likely doze off ). Raw milk, cultured dairy, coconut oil, grass-fed beef, clo, amino acids, B-complex, and magnesium have all been my salvation. Dh is finding the same thing with him ... his depression issues are going away, his IBS is going away ... we both are beginning to feel better, and can definitely feel it when we aren't on our game. For instance today, we went down to dh's grandmother's 93rd birthday. I didn't realize ahead of time that we should have eaten before leaving. Once there, there was only cake and ice cream to eat. We ate it, and immediately got headaches. It's hard to fight the food issues all the time. But we know what makes us feel better and that helps. It's hard to remember to take our pills at night. But we know how we feel when we forget.

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Originally Posted by Gale Force
At some point you should have energy for the fight and so the fight itself doesn't seem like the end of the world.
This is so true. There are days still where the fight for me is tough. But my fight is with myself ... remembering to take the things I need, taking the time to cook a whole, real meal, drinking my water ... some days I don't want that fight, but those days are getting more and more rare. Because we have fought so hard to get to this point, I think we can finally see the other side. We know where we've been, and having tasted that it can be really good, don't want to go back. I still have days where I want to curl up and cry because I feel like I'm being impatient, short, and ill-tempered. But those days are getting fewer and far between. It is a long journey. And on those days that are tougher, I also try to remember how far I've come ... to think that just over 1 year ago I was on paxil and feeling like crud, addicted to sugar, and still getting knocked out each day by the fight, I know I've come a very long way. 's to us all.
post #42 of 77
I am looking so forward to reading this. I had to have my mom print it off because I do daycare and cant spend the time sitting at the computer, but can read it sitting on the floor while they play. I am getting it from her this weekend.
post #43 of 77
Amanda (or others), a couple quick questions if you don't mind.

1. Fish oil question. We already take Green Pastures CLO each night. But I'm nursing two and can guarantee I'm not getting enough omega 3's from it for us all. Since I'm nursing 3, does anyone know how high I can/should go with the CLO (in terms of the A & D), and if 1 tablespoon of the CLO is enough, what a good fish oil would be to complement the CLO?

2. Liver. I think I'm going to try to make us some. Dh will eat just about anything, but the boys, not so much. If we can't get with the liver, is dessicated liver pills just as good? Does anyone here take them? Do they hide well in things?

Is there a good place that deals with nutrients needed from a traditional diet pov that also deals with tandem/twin nursing. I'm not nursing twins, but ds#2 nurses quite a bit and it's exhausting. I know I need extra of everything (magnesium, B's, etc), but am not sure how much is enough with the added demand of nursing. Thanks
post #44 of 77
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
Ruth -- You can recover, it may just take a long time. I get so tired of fighting every darned day to be healthy and resent how long this process is, but in the last six months I have really been feeling well. But it's still just the beginning. That's why the structure part is important. If we are making small changes all the time as we are able, the fight will get less hard. I think it's naive to think that once we rebuild ourselves we won't have to fight anymore. With the food quality what it is now, with the toxins we're exposed to everywhere all the time, and with the stressful circumstances most of us live in with no parent at home, it's always going to be a fight. But it really does get better. At some point you should have energy for the fight and so the fight itself doesn't seem like the end of the world.
Actually, knowing that recovery can take a long time is reasuring. I have my life set around respecting my limits, not doing too much, etc, and if I have a tiny bit more energy that doesn't throw anything off. It's the thought of suddenly recovering and having to get a job and then losing gov't assistance because of my income and then getting sick again and losing the job and not having the assistance to fall back on that gets me worried. Plus I'm specifically nervous about my SSI appeal hearing on Nov 2nd.

I'm not currently depressed, but the fibro is definitely taking its toll on me right now. I'm tired of hurting.
post #45 of 77
Thread Starter 
MyLittleWonders,

On the Omega 3s, it just depends on how much is in your diet otherwise. You might try adding a tsp or two of CLO like Nordic Naturals to complement what you are already taking.

On the liver, my mom swears by the dessicated liver tablets but the real thing would still be better. You would just swallow the tablets like a supplement. Are you thinking about trying to put it in your children's food? I have no idea if it usually comes in hard tablets or capsules.

And on the tandem nursing, I haven't seen anything like that. You are feeling better though, rather than exhausted right?


Ruth -- All of this will help the fibro too. Keep us up on how things are going.
post #46 of 77
Hi -

I don't know much about depression, esp. PPD, but I want to send you guys a few links which may be helpful from Dr. Weil's website (although I disagree with some of his nutritional advice - ie, mostly vegetarian, soy products, etc. - I do like some of his advice - just have to sort thru what "makes sense" and what doesn't), so here are the links:

- omega-3's: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART02707

- PPD: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/ART00532

Wish you all the best of health and mental health too
post #47 of 77
Well, I'm going to try to make real liver. But if the kids balk at it, I was thinking of seeing what form the dessicated liver tabs came in, and then trying to find a way to hide it for ds#1. But, we'll go the real route first. My mom has always loved liver and onions ... maybe I inherrited a taste for it.
post #48 of 77
Oh, and no, we are basically exhausted all the time. But even with reduced sleep, most days I can function as if I'm fully-charged and make it through. But, we are still tired (I think though it's from staying up too late (for instance right now it's almost 11:20), even though I know my day will start bright and early at 6:30. :

So, even though I'm getting all the mega doses of A & D with the Blue Ice CLO, it'd be okay to take some extra Nordic Naturals? Do they retain the naturally occuring A & D? (Which companies remove the naturally occuring vit's and add synthetic ones?) Your book made me wonder if the A & D I'm getting is high enough, but that I needed to add more omega 3's ... my skin is still *very* dry even though I drink at least a pint of raw milk a day (usually closer to a quart), use real butter on everything, have at least 2-3 tablespoons of coconut oil a day, plus a tablespoon of Blue Ice high-vitamin CLO. But I'm still very dry and itchy, so I figured especially with nursing two, I probably need more omega 3's. If I were to go with a fish oil, which have you found to be good? I need to recheck the WAPF website to see the A & D recommendation for nursing moms ... I know my boys are getting the first dibs on all my nutrients, but I don't want to totally over do it. Hmm ... the more you know, the more questions you have.
post #49 of 77
This is such a great book. I am now spending all my computer time reading it, and that's why I haven't been posting messages here. I'm only on page 90, because I've read some things over and over again, and/or have been harassed at the computer by dd, which doesn't make for easy reading!

Thanks again for e-mailing me the PDF file, Amanda.
post #50 of 77
Could I read it too?

thanks,
~Melissa
mdrg2281@yahoo.com
post #51 of 77
Thread Starter 
MyLittleWonders,

There really isn't consensus on how much Omega-3 people should take and the issue of the vitamins A and D hasn't factored into the clinical trials that use Omega-3s. They all use fish oil. But even with mega-doses of fish oil, depression is improved in those clinical trials. So it's hard to say exactly what you should do, but you could combine your brand now with Nordic Naturals (which is a lower vitamin brand). With all of those other oils it's surprising that you still have dry skin.

Before or after adding more Omega-3s (if you add them), you might try a two week liver challenge. Never heard of that? You heard it here first. Eat 3 oz of liver 3x week for two weeks. Report back how you feel. With all the work that I have going this month I started eating liver again like that and it makes so much difference with my energy and crankiness.

Amanda
post #52 of 77
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ruthla View Post
Actually, knowing that recovery can take a long time is reasuring. I have my life set around respecting my limits, not doing too much, etc, and if I have a tiny bit more energy that doesn't throw anything off.
I was thinking about this yesterday Ruth and remembering one of my doctors saying to me "and when you're better you'll go back to school and become a health practitioner."

"Are you kidding me? I am done with school."

"Amanda, that's your low amino acids talking. Let's work on that and you will think differently."

She was right. I am not going back for another degree but do have the energy for it.
post #53 of 77
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
Before or after adding more Omega-3s (if you add them), you might try a two week liver challenge. Never heard of that? You heard it here first. Eat 3 oz of liver 3x week for two weeks. Report back how you feel. With all the work that I have going this month I started eating liver again like that and it makes so much difference with my energy and crankiness.
Yes, if someone tries this please report back. I'd be very interested to see some anecdotal evidence from others if this helps. I don't have the desire to tackle the liver part yet (it still makes me feel a little ill thinking about it), but enough positive results might just persuade me.
post #54 of 77
Well I guess I'm off in search of some pastured beef liver.
post #55 of 77
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Originally Posted by pamered_mom View Post
Yes, if someone tries this please report back. I'd be very interested to see some anecdotal evidence from others if this helps. I don't have the desire to tackle the liver part yet (it still makes me feel a little ill thinking about it), but enough positive results might just persuade me.
Me too. I have only gone as far to look at it at the butcher! I really want to incorporate it into my familys diet. Are they any sneaky beef liver recipies? How does chicken liver compare in nutrition. My grandma said that chicken was a milder flavor...

Jen
post #56 of 77
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
I was thinking about this yesterday Ruth and remembering one of my doctors saying to me "and when you're better you'll go back to school and become a health practitioner."

"Are you kidding me? I am done with school."

"Amanda, that's your low amino acids talking. Let's work on that and you will think differently."

She was right. I am not going back for another degree but do have the energy for it.
wow...I can only hope I may feel like this one day. People ask me if I'm going back to school and I always say "I am schooled out" or "I've had enough school for three lifetimes." I have just started reading.
post #57 of 77
I am so excited to get my hands on the book this weekend!
post #58 of 77
Thread Starter 
Sorry ladies. I'm behind on all my communications and on getting stuff out to people.
post #59 of 77

Amanda Wow

I started on page 70. You have reached every woman. From teens, young mothers, older mothers and even grandmothers. Your message is hope, and of giving us all knowledge and tools to help ourselves, which is priceless. I have not read a book page by page in years. (I will read it all cover to cover, since I started on 70.)

Your book first grabs my heart with your description of everyday life and how overwhelmed I feel sometimes. But then you grab my mind...because you provide solutions. Solutions I can do myself. By eating...how important our human fuel is. As a struggling vegetarian (Now EX vegetarian)(?) you gave me permission to eat what nutrients I need. On page 206 you also gave us permission to take a break. And at the end of the book you tell us to, "Contact me and tell me about your progress on your structures." I had real tears at this point...because I believe you care, you really care about all of us.

I read Ruthla's response and I so agreed. So sad I couldn't do anything for my children. (I have 4, from 10 to 20's.) How can I change all those years of fast foods, hot dogs and twinkies? (Nothing) What I can do is change me. They all will benefit from more home cooking, and me giving them 100% of my attention. I will always be there for them at my personal best.

I already feel better because I know its' doable. Because Amanda you explained it- more importatly you showed us the way.

Forever grateful....
post #60 of 77
Thread Starter 
Anna,

Wow. Thanks so much for the feedback. It made me cry.


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