pasteurized milk question

[purplefrog]

I can't find any raw milk in my area. Do you think that organic, pasteurized milk is better than no milk at all?

Thanks!

[Gale Force]

I would look for pasteurized milk from grass fed cows. One requirement of organic milk is access to grass for the cows, but the devil's in the details: access for how long, how green are the pastures. If you find a milk where cows actually graze, I'd buy that. Otherwise, I think I'd consume something else.

[tboroson]

I would also opt for milk that is not ultra-pasteurized (UHT). If you can find non-homogenized, that's even better. I think Trader Joe's might carry a variety like that? Not sure. Personally, I would go milk free before I'd use UHT milk, even organic, because it's so highly damaged that it would really be useless. If it were grass-fed milk, low-temp pasteurized and non-homogenized, I would use it just like my raw milk. If it were homogenized, I think I'd use it less than I do now, but I'd use it some. I'd prefer yogurt, especially non-homogenized yogurts like Seven Stars, and raw cheeses to plain milk.

[dixie_74]

As an aside... I recently started buying Organic Valley, organic milk. The 1/2 gallon size are labeled pasturized, homogenized, consistant with the laws in Alaska. The one gallon size make no reference to pasturization or homogenization. I am sure this is a labeling glitch, but wonder if others have seen similar labeling?

[guestmama9916]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

I can't find any raw milk in my area. Do you think that organic, pasteurized milk is better than no milk at all?

Thanks!

Where all have you looked for raw milk? Have you checked the realmilk.com website? I found my raw milk by joining a WAPF yahoo group for my local area. If its illegal to sell it like it is in my state, farmers aren't going to advertise that they're selling it. They depend on customer referrals and word of mouth instead. Don't give up looking! I drive 2 hrs each way to get my milk once a month. To me, its totally worth it. My 3 yr old is in preschool so he normally gets alot of colds. Well, several of the kids in his class are sick this week , including DS's bestest little friend, but DS isn't! This isn't the first time since starting on raw milk that I've noticed this.

Kim

[purplefrog]

Thanks for the advice!

[thomlynn]

I found mine from a Mom's Group that led me to a yahoo group in my area that takes turns driving about an hour to get them milk. Keep looking if you can, it's sooooo worth it.

Also in Eat Fat Lose Fat she recommends that coconut milk tonic if you can't get raw milk

1 can whole coconut milk
1 3/4 cup water
2 T maple syrup
1t pure vanilla extract
1t dolomite powder

Mix over medium-low heat until warm and dissolved.

[kcsunshine]

We drink Natural By Nature organic milk which is pasturized and homogenized. The cows are grass fed and the milk comes from the county next to mine. I'm pregnant so I can't drink anything raw. We get it at our local health food store, but I've seen it at the Whole Foods around here. Sometimes, the hfs gets Hails milk, which is pasturized but not homogenized. It's really good, but I never know when they are going to get it in, so that turns out to be an occasional treat.

This was an interesting site that reviews the different brands of milk available:
http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html

This is a link to the main page that explains more about the survey:
http://cornucopia.org/index.php/dairy_brand_ratings/

[tboroson]

I drank raw milk through both of my pregnancies, ate sushi, raw egg yolks... I defy the conventional "wisdom" on that subject... just IMO :

[Sharondio]

Originally Posted by tboroson

I drank raw milk through both of my pregnancies, ate sushi, raw egg yolks... I defy the conventional "wisdom" on that subject... just IMO :

I didn't do raw milk because I wasn't into NT at the time, but I did do sushi. An USDA inspector once told me that eating raw fish sushi was safer than eating a hamburger at the average restaurant, but you don't see people accosting pregnant women at McDonalds.

[kcsunshine]

Originally Posted by kcsunshine

I'm pregnant so I can't drink anything raw.

I guess that I should have worded this to say that I am choosing not to consume anything raw while I am pregnant, instead of saying that I can't.

[nicolelynn]

Do you have a Trader Joe's where you live? While Organic Pasture's is on re-call I am buying Trader Joe's Cream Top Milk, which is pastuerized but not homogonized. Even that we go through slowly. I'm getting my dairy mostly through Organic Valley raw cheese, Strauss Farms yogurt and Organic Valley cultured butter. The last two are pasteurized but at least the culturing returns some nutrients.

[purplefrog]

Okay, the milk I can get is organic, pasteurized at 375 degrees, homogenized, and the cows are grass-fed (open range in grassy areas for 16 hours/day), and also fed vegetables and minimal grains. Does this sound okay?

[tboroson]

Pasteurized at 375 degrees??? Farenheit??? Pasteurization usually happens at 165... I'd call that very ultra-pasteurized... I'd avoid it.

[purplefrog]

oops, posted twice. see below.

[purplefrog]

Hmmm, I'm sure that's what she said. Maybe I heard incorrectly. She did say that she didn't think it was ultra-pasteurized, just regular pasteurized.

[rareimer]

reading on mercola's site, he ranks pasteurized milk somewhere down near soda as far as choosing a drink goes. he is very big on raw milk, but pasteurized, not so much, even if it's organic.

http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/26/pasteurized_milk.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2003/mar/26/organic_foods.htm

[tboroson]

I went and double checked, and was right... regular UHT is at 280 degrees F for two seconds. High temperature/short time is at 161 degrees for 15 seconds. Batch pasteurization is at 155 degrees.

[ConsCathMamma]

Originally Posted by kcsunshine

We drink Natural By Nature organic milk which is pasturized and homogenized. The cows are grass fed and the milk comes from the county next to mine. I'm pregnant so I can't drink anything raw. We get it at our local health food store, but I've seen it at the Whole Foods around here. Sometimes, the hfs gets Hails milk, which is pasturized but not homogenized. It's really good, but I never know when they are going to get it in, so that turns out to be an occasional treat.

This was an interesting site that reviews the different brands of milk available:
http://cornucopia.org/dairysurvey/index.html

This is a link to the main page that explains more about the survey:
http://cornucopia.org/index.php/dairy_brand_ratings/

Actually, you can find Natural By Nature Non-Homogenized. I get it from the health food store when I am hosting a playgroup or something so I can offer milk to the kids and lattes to the adults without anyone worrying (me or them ). It comes in glass bottles and you have to pay a deposit.

[purplefrog]

I'll keep looking for some raw milk. I can get cheese made from raw milk. Anybody know how much cheese I'd need to eat to equal a glass of milk?