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post #41 of 104
Just wanted to add something most ppl forget. Even if the kids are all buckled, if the adults are not, their bodies could fly around and kill the restrained children. EVERYONE in a vehicle needs to be in a safety belt, not just children.

Same with securing all loose objects. that can of pop can fly at 65 mph and kill your restrained baby.
post #42 of 104
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Originally Posted by Oka-san View Post
....a pickup truck going at 65 mph down the highway. In the back was a little boy of about age 3 or so, all by himself, standing up. The pickup had no gate in the back, so it was just this tiny little boy standing in the back of a speeding truck, nothing to hold onto but the sides of the open truck bed, not even a gate in the back to hold him in if he started tumbling out.
That's un-freakin'-believable!! Some people are so stupid!


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Originally Posted by Mommabelle View Post
It is unsafe and I don't like it, but I see it ALL the time. I don't call the police because I would hate to sic DFACS on an otherwise good family..or in alot of instances the family could possibly be deported. It seems to be a cultural thing alot of the time.
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Originally Posted by Jessy1019 View Post
Mentally weighing out the odds, it seems far more likely that the child could end up being removed from his/her otherwise good parents. I won't take that risk.
I'm VERY disappointed with the passive responses here!! It's called Child PROTECTIVE Services for a reason...to PROTECT children! Not even buckling a child in LET ALONE having a proper car seat is the epitome of bad parenting! There's enough information out there that you'd have to live under a rock not to know the safety stats of a carseat and seatbelts! And as for immigrant families...sure, maybe they don't do that where they come from, but they come here; to a different world; to a different way of life...and that's why there's LAWS...to protect ALL children in this country who can't protect themselves. If they don't like the laws, the can move back home!

Look, I know that sounds harsh to immigrants, and that's not my intention at all. But you can bend cultural rules (dress your kid in traditional clothes from your country) but you CANNOT break safety rules. If you're not used to it - GET USED TO IT. I just think it would be incredibly irresponsable NOT to call the police if you saw that. My S/O always says "you can't change the world honey"; but you know what? It's me changing the world one child at a time, and if there were more of 'me'; this world would be a much safer place!

: This post is making me sick...especially since I know there's someone who's going to shake their head at what I just said and rip me apart for it...I just wish I could put all children in a bubble!
post #43 of 104
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Originally Posted by Blu Razzberri View Post
That's un-freakin'-believable!! Some people are so stupid!



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I'm VERY disappointed with the passive responses here!! It's called Child PROTECTIVE Services for a reason...to PROTECT children! Not even buckling a child in LET ALONE having a proper car seat is the epitome of bad parenting! There's enough information out there that you'd have to live under a rock not to know the safety stats of a carseat and seatbelts! And as for immigrant families...sure, maybe they don't do that where they come from, but they come here; to a different world; to a different way of life...and that's why there's LAWS...to protect ALL children in this country who can't protect themselves. If they don't like the laws, the can move back home!

Look, I know that sounds harsh to immigrants, and that's not my intention at all. But you can bend cultural rules (dress your kid in traditional clothes from your country) but you CANNOT break safety rules. If you're not used to it - GET USED TO IT. I just think it would be incredibly irresponsable NOT to call the police if you saw that. My S/O always says "you can't change the world honey"; but you know what? It's me changing the world one child at a time, and if there were more of 'me'; this world would be a much safer place!

: This post is making me sick...especially since I know there's someone who's going to shake their head at what I just said and rip me apart for it...I just wish I could put all children in a bubble!

I won't rip you apart hun i agree a childs safety is the most important thing, we don't have a car but when we get one we will be buying 3 carseats for our lo's
post #44 of 104
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
Just wanted to add something most ppl forget. Even if the kids are all buckled, if the adults are not, their bodies could fly around and kill the restrained children. EVERYONE in a vehicle needs to be in a safety belt, not just children.

Same with securing all loose objects. that can of pop can fly at 65 mph and kill your restrained baby.
so true!
post #45 of 104
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
...if the adults are not (buckled up), their bodies could fly around and kill the restrained children. EVERYONE in a vehicle needs to be in a safety belt, not just children.

Same with securing all loose objects. that can of pop can fly at 65 mph and kill your restrained baby.
I totally missed this part. I watched a whole show on this where they did tests to show people about the dangers in their car, using crashtest dummies and a dummy kid in a carseat and a dummy teenager...all buckled. The image that most sticks in my head is the penny that was launched forward when the minivan hit a brick wall doing 65mph and lodged halfway into the dashboard!! Just a penny, and if it hit a toddler right, it would kill the child!

Vehicle safety is a big deal...people need to think more about it!
post #46 of 104
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Originally Posted by Blu Razzberri View Post
That's un-freakin'-believable!! Some people are so stupid!



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I'm VERY disappointed with the passive responses here!! It's called Child PROTECTIVE Services for a reason...to PROTECT children! Not even buckling a child in LET ALONE having a proper car seat is the epitome of bad parenting! There's enough information out there that you'd have to live under a rock not to know the safety stats of a carseat and seatbelts! And as for immigrant families...sure, maybe they don't do that where they come from, but they come here; to a different world; to a different way of life...and that's why there's LAWS...to protect ALL children in this country who can't protect themselves. If they don't like the laws, the can move back home!

Look, I know that sounds harsh to immigrants, and that's not my intention at all. But you can bend cultural rules (dress your kid in traditional clothes from your country) but you CANNOT break safety rules. If you're not used to it - GET USED TO IT. I just think it would be incredibly irresponsable NOT to call the police if you saw that. My S/O always says "you can't change the world honey"; but you know what? It's me changing the world one child at a time, and if there were more of 'me'; this world would be a much safer place!

: This post is making me sick...especially since I know there's someone who's going to shake their head at what I just said and rip me apart for it...I just wish I could put all children in a bubble!

Heh, someone agrees with me. And no, we never called CPS on people who got carseat tickets, all you get is a citation, an expensive one that i was more than happy to give out. What would you rather do, call the cops over a violation like that, or see kids thrown from the car and out onto the road?
post #47 of 104
and now to stick my neck on the chopping block...:

my 3 yo ds knows how to undo his seatbelt (he's in a booster seat). when it's just me and the kids in the car, i do my best, but sometimes ds takes his seatbelt off and tries to climb over next to dd. me being focused on the road ahead, more than once he's escaped his booster seat without me immediately noticing, although i'm sure the drivers around me probably have...

as soon as i notice, i pull over and get ds back into his seat, of course, but say someone saw him moving around unrestrained and called the cops/CPS? i get reprimanded because my kid's a gadget freak and figured out how to undo his belt? that doesn't seem fair..
post #48 of 104
Thats why carseats with 5 point restraints are best You can keep a 3 year old harnessed longer and its not as easy to "escape". (not to mention much safer than a booster)
post #49 of 104
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Originally Posted by WitchyMama2 View Post
Thats why carseats with 5 point restraints are best You can keep a 3 year old harnessed longer and its not as easy to "escape". (not to mention much safer than a booster)
sorry...he knows how to work a 5-point restraint..believe me. he figured that one out at 18 months.
post #50 of 104
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Originally Posted by annab View Post
If you see a person driving down the road with kids in the car who are young enough to be restrained, but aren't, do you call the police?

I have seen this several times in the last few weeks, and my first instinct is to act in the name of safety and call the cops. But I hate to be the crazy lady always calling the police when I see someone not using carseats.

Thoughts?
I would call. I see tons of parents with kids bouncing around in vehicles here in Indiana and there's often no car seat to be seen so it's not like djinneyah's little guy escaping his 5pt harness.

Who do you call- the local police#? A lot of my driving is between Bedford and Bloomington so I don't know who I'd call in that case.

I'm a stickler for carseats (enough to burn plastic to order ds a Fisher Price Safe Voyage [made by Britax but cheaper] when he outgrew his convertible- he's not mature enough for a booster seat) but I have a friend who is annoyed by the booster seat law in Indiana and all her carseats are old/hand-me-downs.
post #51 of 104
I have called and I will call again if I see it.

It's just a ticket in Iowa, until your 3rd offence, then DHS is called. My MIL got a ticket for not having my (then) 6 y/o BIL in a booster. She got a $75 ticket. Actually asked her police officer brother to help her get out of it and he told her no flipping way. Pay the ticket and get BIL in a booster, they are only $30 at walmart. She hasn't and is lucky she hasn't got picked up...BIL's 8th bday is this month so he doesn't have to be in a booster anymore.
post #52 of 104
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Originally Posted by WitchyMama2 View Post
Thats why carseats with 5 point restraints are best You can keep a 3 year old harnessed longer and its not as easy to "escape". (not to mention much safer than a booster)
Yeah, our boys know how to do a 5 point harness and und a 5 point harness. They have learned not to undo them while the car is moving. They have to hear the doors unlock before the seats come off.

We figured letting them learn is a safety thing. We don't have to worry about our boys getting trapped in the car, like if we lock them in accidently while strapping them in etc.


I've actually offered my carseat to ppl, like in a store parking lot. I've even offered to buy one for someone. No one has ever taken me up on it. I'd rather spend the 75 bucks for a seat than see a kid leave a store unrestrained!
post #53 of 104
I have to say that these posts on Mothering always startle me. So many people make choices here that seem dangerous to others. No vaccines, homebirths, unschooling and so many more would cause great alarm to much of the general population. I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort. A child being beaten is BEING HARMED, a child being starved is BEING HARMED, a child being molested is BEING HARMED. An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child. When a parent makes choices that could lead to harm, but are not presently harmful I choose to stay out of it. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's my opinion.
post #54 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I have to say that these posts on Mothering always startle me. So many people make choices here that seem dangerous to others. No vaccines, homebirths, unschooling and so many more would cause great alarm to much of the general population. I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort. A child being beaten is BEING HARMED, a child being starved is BEING HARMED, a child being molested is BEING HARMED. An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child. When a parent makes choices that could lead to harm, but are not presently harmful I choose to stay out of it. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's my opinion.
Good posting.
post #55 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I have to say that these posts on Mothering always startle me. So many people make choices here that seem dangerous to others. No vaccines, homebirths, unschooling and so many more would cause great alarm to much of the general population. I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort. A child being beaten is BEING HARMED, a child being starved is BEING HARMED, a child being molested is BEING HARMED. An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child. When a parent makes choices that could lead to harm, but are not presently harmful I choose to stay out of it. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's my opinion.
A part of me agrees- and yet I think about scenarios like what if this person with a child bouncing around in the backseat pulls out in front of me and I hit them? Even if wasn't my fault, I'd feel bad that a child was injured.
post #56 of 104
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A part of me agrees- and yet I think about scenarios like what if this person with a child bouncing around in the backseat pulls out in front of me and I hit them? Even if wasn't my fault, I'd feel bad that a child was injured.
Yes, as would I. I would feel terrible to be in any accident and even more so if an innocent child was harmed. I am certainly not debating that leaving a child unrestrained is dangerous. I just think we could all get into a lot of trouble playing the "What if" game.
post #57 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I have to say that these posts on Mothering always startle me. So many people make choices here that seem dangerous to others. No vaccines, homebirths, unschooling and so many more would cause great alarm to much of the general population. I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort. A child being beaten is BEING HARMED, a child being starved is BEING HARMED, a child being molested is BEING HARMED. An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child. When a parent makes choices that could lead to harm, but are not presently harmful I choose to stay out of it. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's my opinion.
No flames from me. Applause, but no flames.
post #58 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort.

What do you think should be done then, if one sees a child riding unrestrained??
post #59 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child.
I totally disagree with you on that. There's quite a few differences between an unrestrained child in a moving car and not vaccinating. First, vaccination is not law (there are exemptions); child restraints are. Secondly, the choice not to vaccinate does not endanger the child; an un-restrained child does endanger that child. There are thousands of documented wrecks which seriously injure or kill unrestrained occupants in MVC every year; and lastly, not vaccinating does not affect anyone else, stranger or familial, while unrestrained occupants cause not only bodily harm to themselves and the occupants in that vehicle, they also cost society as a whole hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

Dallaschildren
CPSI and momma to 2 sons in seats


You control your child's health by supplying a healthy diet which affects immunological response. You control whether or not to vaccinate. You CANNOT control how other people drive (not to mention weather conditions). You could be the most conscientious driver in the world, but it means nothing unless you are the only one on the road.
post #60 of 104
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
the choice not to vaccinate does not endanger the child;
There are thousands of people who would disagree with that statement, and that seems to be the point the PP was trying to make.

Call the police if you want, but I don't think you're going to change the minds of those of us who are dis-inclined to do so in similar circumstances.
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