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post #61 of 104
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Originally Posted by hhurd View Post
There are thousands of people who would disagree with that statement, and that seems to be the point the PP was trying to make.

Call the police if you want, but I don't think you're going to change the minds of those of us who are dis-inclined to do so in similar circumstances.
Why then is the PP not vaccinating? A bit OT, but a fair question in light of what she posted as an analogy. VAERS.
I am not trying to persuade you or others who subscribe to "I'm not going to get involved". By not being involved you are doing society and innocent kids a disservice but hey, it's America. Land of the free to make your own choice. I will continue to choose to call the cops if I see your child unrestrained.

DC
post #62 of 104
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Originally Posted by annab View Post
If you see a person driving down the road with kids in the car who are young enough to be restrained, but aren't, do you call the police?

I have seen this several times in the last few weeks, and my first instinct is to act in the name of safety and call the cops. But I hate to be the crazy lady always calling the police when I see someone not using carseats.

Thoughts?

Annab. Please exercise your right to call the police each and everytime you see a child unrestrained. Document the color and make of the car and the license plate number. Make note of your location so when you call in you are prepared to let the police know which way they are travelling. The unrestrained child would thank you if they could. Thank you for caring enough to get involved. It takes a village.

DC
post #63 of 104
Traffic accidents are the number one non-health related killer of children ages 1-4. Drowning is a close second.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broke...deathtle=Death

Would I call the police? Absolutely!


Ten Leading Causes of Death by Age Group (2003)
ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/ncipc/10LC-2003/PDF/10lc-2003.pdf
Kind of interesting.
post #64 of 104
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Originally Posted by Teensy View Post
Traffic accidents are the number one non-health related killer of children ages 1-4. Drowning is a close second.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broke...deathtle=Death

Would I call the police? Absolutely!


Ten Leading Causes of Death by Age Group (2003)
ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/ncipc/10LC-2003/PDF/10lc-2003.pdf
Kind of interesting.
Thanks Tanya. How does the saying go..."it's never going to be my child". Well, it's SOMEONE'S child.
post #65 of 104
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
I will continue to choose to call the cops if I see your child unrestrained.
You will not see my child unrestrained. He is in a carseat every time the car is moving. Do not extrapolate that I am careless about carseats simply because I don't call the police when I witness strangers not being as careful myself.
post #66 of 104
I was shocked to see some with an infant just hold the infant in the car, they didn't even have a car seat in there. Here the police will give you a carseat and show you how to install it properly.
post #67 of 104
Personally, they don't let you leave the hospital here unless you have a carseat AND they inspect it to make sure the baby is in right, and its installed correctly. I guess they don't do that everywhere?
post #68 of 104
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Originally Posted by WitchyMama2 View Post
Personally, they don't let you leave the hospital here unless you have a carseat AND they inspect it to make sure the baby is in right, and its installed correctly. I guess they don't do that everywhere?
They do that here too, the police give out the convertable one.
post #69 of 104
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Originally Posted by hhurd View Post
You will not see my child unrestrained. He is in a carseat every time the car is moving. Do not extrapolate that I am careless about carseats simply because I don't call the police when I witness strangers not being as careful myself.
I guess I thought this would go without saying, but "your" was general and I didn't pull out of any of your posts that you yourself don't buckle your child up. What I did read quite clearly was that you wouldn't call the cops to protect the health and well being of a stranger's child, if you saw them unrestrained. Yeah, I got that.

DC
post #70 of 104
I don't want to debate. The OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. I am not trying to change yours, please don't be rude about mine.
post #71 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I don't want to debate. The OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. I am not trying to change yours, please don't be rude about mine.

When you post an opinion and throw out there everything but the kitchen sink within the post, you should be prepared to debate it. If you don't want to discuss it or answer my question, that is your perogative. But don't dimiss other points of view by calling them rude.
post #72 of 104
As a paramedic, I couldn't agree less with the comparison to homebirthing, vaccinating etc.

A child who is being birthed at home or non-vaccinated is not actively in harm's way.

A child not in a carseat is.

Statistically, a homebirthed baby is LESS likely to die than a hospital-birthed one. Statistically, an unrestrained child is MORE likely to die than a restrained one.

I will call the police. I have called the police. I have talked to perfect strangers. Once I got knocked over by a psycho when confronting her about her unrestrained infant (So I don't confront psychos anymore : )
post #73 of 104
I was thinking of all of you today, (I started reading this thread last night) while driving with all 4 of my children strapped in their car seats...but our now outgrown infant seat in the front passenger seat as we drove to see if we could "cash it in" at the local OM store for a different, more comfy stroller. I was horrified someone would see that seat, sitting sideways no less, and think there was a baby in it and call the cops on me! Of course, there would be no issue because the seat is empty...but you all have made me think.

For me, the bottom line is that with carseats, there is law. If you see someone breaking a law, do you choose to get involved and call the authorities? For the example of birthing decisions there is no "law" and so we are unable to judge what is legally appropriate. It comes down to differences in beliefs and parenting. Car seat laws supercede any differences in parenting philosphies, and IMHO you'd have to be living under a rock in this country (US) to not know your kid has to be in a seat. So I won't ever accept an ignorance excuse. The only excuse people can claim (but usually don't) is stupidity. :

As for the original question...I honestly don't know if I would call the cops. I would probably do that over confronting the person, say in a parking lot or something, but that's just because I'm too afraid someone will totally go bonkers on me for poking my nose in. Chances are they know they are doing something wrong and in my experience guilty people usually aren't very nice when they get called on it.
post #74 of 104
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Originally Posted by septmommy View Post
I have to say that these posts on Mothering always startle me. So many people make choices here that seem dangerous to others. No vaccines, homebirths, unschooling and so many more would cause great alarm to much of the general population. I understand the urge to protect children that you view to be in harms way, but I really think that calling the police on another family should only be done as a very last resort. A child being beaten is BEING HARMED, a child being starved is BEING HARMED, a child being molested is BEING HARMED. An unrestrained child may be in harms way, but the same argument could be made for your unvaccinated child. When a parent makes choices that could lead to harm, but are not presently harmful I choose to stay out of it. I know I'll get flamed for this, but it's my opinion.
I'm not going to flame you as I have the same opinion! Good posting!
post #75 of 104
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When you post an opinion and throw out there everything but the kitchen sink within the post, you should be prepared to debate it. If you don't want to discuss it or answer my question, that is your perogative. But don't dimiss other points of view by calling them rude.
I re-read my first post and I have to admit that you are right. I did more than just offer my opinion. I apologize for my last post. A few points have been brought up that have made me think. The legal aspect does set this apart from vaccines etc, but even that is not clear cut. Have you reported every friend that smokes a joint? Every friend who has driven home from a party after more than one drink? I'm sure someone here has, but I doubt the majority can say yes. We all make judgement calls and some of us (sometimes) see the involving of authorities as the bigger threat. Those of us who feel one way about this will not change the minds of those who feel another way. We are all intelligent women who do what we feel is best. Now I have a novel to write in response to some previous posts, but I will take my own advice and shut up. I know that everyone here has valid points that they feel passionatly about.
post #76 of 104
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Originally Posted by Squeakyneedle View Post
If you see someone breaking a law, do you choose to get involved and call the authorities? .
To protect a child? Yes. I believe it is unethical to do otherwise.
post #77 of 104
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
the choice not to vaccinate does not endanger the child
This is a blanket statement and could be argued with. But, I won't go there
post #78 of 104
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
I guess I thought this would go without saying, but "your" was general
I guess it goes without saying that using the phrase "a child" rather than "your child" is preferable if you are *really* trying to speak generally.
post #79 of 104
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Originally Posted by hhurd View Post
I guess it goes without saying that using the phrase "a child" rather than "your child" is preferable if you are *really* trying to speak generally.

Ok, let's think logically for a moment without anger or sarcasm, shall we? How in the world would I be calling the police on you and your child when we aren't even in the same state? The fact is you chose to take this thread as a personal affront when in actuality I simply disagreed with the analogies being presented. You stated your opinion with a "me neither" and some disagree with the fact that you won't call. Breathe deeply and let it go. You can take it to me via PM.

DC
post #80 of 104
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Originally Posted by newmommy View Post
This is a blanket statement and could be argued with. But, I won't go there
Thanks, because there is a forum for discussing vaccinations here and then there is also VAERS.
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