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post #101 of 221
I think most people are missing the original intent of the question "Would YOU let you children......". We are all just giving our opinion of what WE would do with our children. Unless it was an absolute emergency, MY children are staying with me. If you believe otherwise, go for it. No one is saying it is right or wrong! There is nothing wrong with loving grandparents - I am one. I have a wonderful relationship with my two small grandbabies and watch them quite often. Do I want to raise them or even keep them during the week for schooling purposes? No, not unless I have to. But, their parents are well aware of the benefits of a good education and live in a good, safe school district. Sure, this isn't an option for everyone, but should I feel bad because we have made it a priority and were able to make it happen? I believe most people are more capable of working and achieving a certain goal than they think they are. And a few of us have also stressed that if certain circumstances made us homeless, our family or friends would take us ALL in, not just a few of our children. I'm not sure why some people are getting so defensive when this is just an opinion of our own family situations, not anyone else's!!

Also, regarding section 8 housing - I work with a lady who gets section 8 and she spent time in prison for drugs, so it doesn't work that way where I live. She also had her druggie husband living with her, so they were definitely not the clean type.
post #102 of 221
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
should I feel bad because we have made it a priority and were able to make it happen?
Yes, I think everyone should feel badly that not everyone has the same advantage or oppurtunity. What ever happened to empathy and understanding?

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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
Also, regarding section 8 housing - I work with a lady who gets section 8 and she spent time in prison for drugs, so it doesn't work that way where I live. She also had her druggie husband living with her, so they were definitely not the clean type.
Again, one example that isn't a fair representation of all people who are on Section 8 (or Shelter Plus Care for that matter, which I am on) Why do people feel its okay to throw around blanket judgements based on the amount of money people have?

The attitide of this thread makes me very sad.
post #103 of 221
The section 8 stuff is derailing the thread. I am loathe to ask someone to start a new thread though, because I don't want to see more excuses to label and judge poor people.
post #104 of 221
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I think most people are missing the original intent of the question "Would YOU let you children......". We are all just giving our opinion of what WE would do with our children. Unless it was an absolute emergency, MY children are staying with me. If you believe otherwise, go for it. No one is saying it is right or wrong!
Actually a couple of people have.


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I'm not sure why some people are getting so defensive when this is just an opinion of our own family situations, not anyone else's!!
The stereotyping is pretty rough in this thread and it has a way of making people feel defensive.

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Also, regarding section 8 housing - I work with a lady who gets section 8 and she spent time in prison for drugs, so it doesn't work that way where I live. She also had her druggie husband living with her, so they were definitely not the clean type.
And that is unfortunate. It doesn't mean that Section 8 only deals with dirty drug addicts though.
post #105 of 221
I only brought up the section 8, because someone said you couldn't get it if you had a drug conviction - I just wanted to say in my area that isn't so. I do have sympathy for people who have had a tough time in life, but I think it's sad that I should feel guilty for working hard and making sure my family is taken care of. Nothing was given to me and my children are my priority and I knew they would be before I even had them. If someone feels like it is best for their children to be elsewhere for whatever reason, that is their business and their life. I am also sorry you are all so defensive - I still don't understand that. If you are doing the best you can for your family, why are you defensive?
post #106 of 221
I personally would not have my DD live with other family for school opps under normal circumstances. I am lucky enough to live a relatively comfortable life and to have enough resources to change DD's schooling if necessary. If a catastrophe occurred and DD needed to change schooling because the school she was in is absolutely substandard, I would send her to live with family elsewhere. That would be a last resort though.

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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I only brought up the section 8, because someone said you couldn't get it if you had a drug conviction - I just wanted to say in my area that isn't so. I do have sympathy for people who have had a tough time in life, but I think it's sad that I should feel guilty for working hard and making sure my family is taken care of. Nothing was given to me and my children are my priority and I knew they would be before I even had them. If someone feels like it is best for their children to be elsewhere for whatever reason, that is their business and their life. I am also sorry you are all so defensive - I still don't understand that. If you are doing the best you can for your family, why are you defensive?
I hate the direction that this thread has taken. Personally, I am lucky to not be in a tight financial situation but many, many people in this country are one paycheck away from disaster. While I can sit on the top of a hill looking down on people and say that I made different life choices, the truth is that I have also been extraordinarily lucky. Why are people defensive on this thread? Maybe because some people have taken the stance that "doing their best" is not good enough. Where I am from, a lot of families on Section 8 are there because the mom has left an abusive husband. Can you imagine marrying someone who turns out to be abusive, find the courage to leave only to be told either "you are statistically likely to be a drug abuser" or "I have always supported *my* family, what's wrong with you?" I would be defensive too.

If you are not in the position to need the financial support of the community, good for you but situations can turn on a dime and you might (hopefully not) need that support in the future. Just remember that.
post #107 of 221
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Originally Posted by primjillie
I only brought up the section 8, because someone said you couldn't get it if you had a drug conviction - I just wanted to say in my area that isn't so.
Quit lying. Quit stereotyping.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...cfr982.553.pdf
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Denial of admission and termination
of assistance for criminals
and alcohol abusers.
This is from the GOVERNMENT! Not county, not state, but the government law.
post #108 of 221
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
Quit lying. Quit stereotyping.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...cfr982.553.pdf

This is from the GOVERNMENT! Not county, not state, but the government law.
perhaps you should quit name calling??? And did you actually read what you just linked? It says right in the top paragraph that they can be admitted after 3 years or as per the administrater with completion of a drug rehab program. Next time, try reading instead of just posting random name calling and links
post #109 of 221

MITB, thanks for the link!

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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
Quit lying. Quit stereotyping.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...cfr982.553.pdf

This is from the GOVERNMENT! Not county, not state, but the government law.
Did you even READ what you posted? Let me quote a portion of it for you:

However,
the PHA may admit the household
if the PHA determines:
(A) That the evicted household member
who engaged in drug-related criminal
activity has successfully completed
a supervised drug rehabilitation program
approved by the PHA
(bolding is mine)

The
PHA may prohibit admission of a
household to the program if the PHA
determines that any household member
is currently engaged in, or has engaged
in during a reasonable time before the
admission:
(1) Drug-related criminal activity;
(2) Violent criminal activity;
(3) Other criminal activity which
may threaten the health, safety, or
right to peaceful enjoyment of the
premises by other residents or persons
residing in the immediate vicinity; or
(4) Other criminal activity which
may threaten the health or safety of
the owner, property management staff,
or persons performing a contract administration
function or responsibility
on behalf of the PHA (including a PHA
employee or a PHA contractor, subcontractor
or agent).
(B) The PHA may establish a period
before the admission decision during
which an applicant must not to have
engaged in the activities specified in
paragraph (a)(2)(i) of this section
(‘‘reasonable time’’).

If you read the whole document, no where does it say that you will automaticlly be denied if you have a criminal past. NO WHERE.

So YES convicted criminals can obtain section 8 housing, it is up to the PHA to determine whether or not they will allow it or not, and the amount of time from the past criminal behavior. There is not even a standard length of time given -- like 3-5-10 years, it is based on each individual application and verification from a probation officer, social services, etc. that supposedly the person is "clean" so to speak. The only mandatory prohibition, those who cannot obtain section 8 housing is registered state sex offenders.
post #110 of 221
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Originally Posted by lovencloth View Post
perhaps you should quit name calling??? And did you actually read what you just linked? It says right in the top paragraph that they can be admitted after 3 years or as per the administrater with completion of a drug rehab program. Next time, try reading instead of just posting random name calling and links
There is no standard length of time if say you commit manslaughter or rob a bank or something though.

Wanted to add to the above statement that I found online that each state can have its own requirements for section 8 housing when it comes to criminal behavior. Example: Maryland your past FELONY convictions have to be more than 3 years old.
post #111 of 221
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Originally Posted by lovencloth View Post
perhaps you should quit name calling??? And did you actually read what you just linked? It says right in the top paragraph that they can be admitted after 3 years or as per the administrater with completion of a drug rehab program. Next time, try reading instead of just posting random name calling and links
That was just one link.
http://www.hud.gov/offices/pih/programs/hcv/
Just proving that Section 8 is strict. You will not find those laws in place for ppl with money.
post #112 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
Did you even READ what you posted?
Of course, I am required to not only read every thing but the worker must read it aloud to me and then I must sign and date the papers verifying that I understand it all.

They do inspections on our home. My friend is NA and burned sage in her home, not even an hour later the police and the dogs were there.

That kind of thing is not going to happen in neighborhoods or homes that are not Section 8.
post #113 of 221
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
Of course, I am required to not only read every thing but the worker must read it aloud to me and then I must sign and date the papers verifying that I understand it all.

They do inspections on our home. My friend is NA and burned sage in her home, not even an hour later the police and the dogs were there.

That kind of thing is not going to happen in neighborhoods or homes that are not Section 8.
Then you know that people with past drug and alcohol problems, including those with a criminal history can obtain the HUD "section 8" vouchers. You just called another member a liar when she pointed out that she knew someone who had section 8 housing and had a past criminal history.

I am glad I have not put myself in a situation where the govt can come in at any time, with the police and dogs, into my home. This is my property. This is one of the very reasons we have restrictions on leasing to those with section 8 vouchers -- we do not want the govt intruding into our lives unless absolutely necessary.
post #114 of 221
I can't believe I'm lying just because I know someone on Section 8 that has a drug conviction? I can't believe the direction this thread has taken........how sad.........
post #115 of 221
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I can't believe I'm lying just because I know someone on Section 8 that has a drug conviction? I can't believe the direction this thread has taken........how sad.........
that was uncalled for.
post #116 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post

I am glad I have not put myself in a situation where the govt can come in at any time, with the police and dogs, into my home.
They can, they most likely would not. That is the point. It's okay to harrass ppl in poverty, to belittle them and shame them. When realistically, it is those with money who are able to make choices regarding alcohol/drug use.

Ppl in poverty don't have the money nor the means to purchase drugs/alcohol.
post #117 of 221
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I can't believe I'm lying just because I know someone on Section 8 that has a drug conviction? I can't believe the direction this thread has taken........how sad.........
You made it sound like they were currently using drugs, which would make you an accessory to the misuse of Section 8. The fact remains that in order to use Section 8, you cannot be using alcohol or drugs. Posters have implied that all families living in poverty are drug abusing alcoholics, and I am pointing out the facts that the government has already put laws and regulations in place to keep drug users/alcoholics from utilyzing Section 8.
post #118 of 221
The husband is still using drugs - I don't know why you don't believe me when you don't even know these people! Section 8 probably doesn't know he is doing drugs and maybe that is why they are getting away with it. But that is beside the point - it doesn't have anything to do with this thread except to point out that situations vary by regions and people.
post #119 of 221
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
You made it sound like they were currently using drugs, which would make you an accessory to the misuse of Section 8. The fact remains that in order to use Section 8, you cannot be using alcohol or drugs. Posters have implied that all families living in poverty are drug abusing alcoholics, and I am pointing out the facts that the government has already put laws and regulations in place to keep drug users/alcoholics from utilyzing Section 8.
Are you saying that people on section 8 are not allowed to have any alcoholic beverages in their homes? Or are they allowed to have a few brews after work in a bar? Tell me how that works.
post #120 of 221
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Originally Posted by 2happymamas View Post
Are you saying that people on section 8 are not allowed to have any alcoholic beverages in their homes? Or are they allowed to have a few brews after work in a bar? Tell me how that works.
No, they could if they can afford to, but with most families there is no money left over. It took me five months and not paying the full telephone bill just to buy a $6 hairbrush.
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